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GOP civil war rages in Senate primary battles
« on: May 08, 2014, 07:28:01 AM »
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2014/05/08/14732/gop-civil-war-rages-senate-primary-battles

GOP civil war rages in Senate primary battles

Hard-line conservatives have become Democrats’ unwitting allies in the battle to control Congress.

Conservative groups have together spent nearly $3 attacking Republican candidates for every $1 spent slamming Democrats, according to a Center for Public Integrity analysis of federal independent expenditure disclosures.

In all, from Jan. 1 through Tuesday, identifiably conservative political action committees, super PACs and nonprofit groups have spent about $10 million advocating for the defeat of Republican congressional candidates in advertisements and other communications.

Identifiably liberal groups, meanwhile, have spent next to nothing attacking their own, instead spending millions of dollars either bashing Republican hopefuls or gushing about fellow Democrats through television, radio and Internet ads.

Such a dichotomy illustrates the persistent family feud between mainstream Republicans and their tea party-affiliated cousins, many of whom have forced GOP incumbents into bitter — and expensive — primary fights because they believe they’re not conservative enough.

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Re: GOP civil war rages in Senate primary battles
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2014, 07:30:53 AM »
Good make these old guard GOP'ers accountable for their votes
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Re: GOP civil war rages in Senate primary battles
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2014, 09:00:44 AM »
Good make these old guard GOP'ers accountable for their votes

Yeah, but does it help further the party's goals of unseating the dems or does it just make true conservatives feel good?

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Re: GOP civil war rages in Senate primary battles
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2014, 09:04:15 AM »
Repubs can't start winning until they decide this RINO vs Tea Party civil war.  Nobody will admit it's happening.  Nobody will admit it's hurting voter turnout.  They cling to the twice-disproven claim that "Repubs are going to show up and vote for whoever is on the ticket".

It's ignorant, outdated thinking.  And it's why they keep losing elections.

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Re: GOP civil war rages in Senate primary battles
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2014, 09:38:47 AM »
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2014/05/08/14732/gop-civil-war-rages-senate-primary-battles

GOP civil war rages in Senate primary battles

Hard-line conservatives have become Democrats’ unwitting allies in the battle to control Congress.

Conservative groups have together spent nearly $3 attacking Republican candidates for every $1 spent slamming Democrats, according to a Center for Public Integrity analysis of federal independent expenditure disclosures.

In all, from Jan. 1 through Tuesday, identifiably conservative political action committees, super PACs and nonprofit groups have spent about $10 million advocating for the defeat of Republican congressional candidates in advertisements and other communications.

Identifiably liberal groups, meanwhile, have spent next to nothing attacking their own, instead spending millions of dollars either bashing Republican hopefuls or gushing about fellow Democrats through television, radio and Internet ads.

Such a dichotomy illustrates the persistent family feud between mainstream Republicans and their tea party-affiliated cousins, many of whom have forced GOP incumbents into bitter — and expensive — primary fights because they believe they’re not conservative enough.

Are tea party members "hard-line" conservatives?

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Re: GOP civil war rages in Senate primary battles
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2014, 09:42:14 AM »
Are tea party members "hard-line" conservatives?

Funny how you NEVER, EVER see the left described as 'hard-line liberals'. Not ever. The entire wording the media uses is different for the right.

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Re: GOP civil war rages in Senate primary battles
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2014, 09:47:28 AM »
Funny how you NEVER, EVER see the left described as 'hard-line liberals'. Not ever. The entire wording the media uses is different for the right.

the difference is that far-left liberals and moderate liberals do settle on things, and they do show up and vote for whoever wins.

Repubs?  not so much. 

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Re: GOP civil war rages in Senate primary battles
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2014, 09:54:10 AM »
Funny how you NEVER, EVER see the left described as 'hard-line liberals'. Not ever. The entire wording the media uses is different for the right.

Yep.  It is deliberate IMO.  It's really about an attempt to influence public opinion.

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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2014, 10:04:49 AM »
Yep.  It is deliberate IMO.  It's really about an attempt to influence public opinion.
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it's a shame people are so easily duped.  THeyr'e barely watching liberal news, yet somehow liberal news is able to dupe a nice % of the majority of americans (supposedly conservative) into voting dem.  baffling. 

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Re: GOP civil war rages in Senate primary battles
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2014, 10:08:13 AM »
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it's a shame people are so easily duped.  THeyr'e barely watching liberal news, yet somehow liberal news is able to dupe a nice % of the majority of americans (supposedly conservative) into voting dem.  baffling. 

I know right?  Is that why you voted for Obama twice while repeatedly claiming to be a Republican/Libertarian/Republican/Libertarian?

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« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2014, 10:08:41 AM »
Yep.  It is deliberate IMO.  It's really about an attempt to influence public opinion.

Exactly. We constantly see the following, in the mainstream media, to describe the Right, but NEVER the Left. The double standard is sickening:
'Hard line conservatives'
'Hard-right politician'
'Radicals'
'Radical elements in the republican party'
'Extremists'
'Extremist elements in the republican party'
'Controvertial right wing politician'

When is the last time you saw the exact same terms used to descibe the other side of the aisle?
'Hard line liberals'
'Hard left politician'
'Radicals'
'Radical elements in the democratic party'
'Extremists'
'Extremist elements in the democratic party'
'Controvertial left wing politician'

The double standards are staggering, and it is done on purpose

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« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2014, 10:13:24 AM »
Exactly. We constantly see the following, in the mainstream media, to describe the Right, but NEVER the Left. The double standard is sickening:
'Hard line conservatives'
'Hard-right politician'
'Radicals'
'Radical elements in the republican party'
'Extremists'
'Extremist elements in the republican party'
'Controvertial right wing politician'

When is the last time you saw the exact same terms used to descibe the other side of the aisle?
'Hard line liberals'
'Hard left politician'
'Radicals'
'Radical elements in the democratic party'
'Extremists'
'Extremist elements in the democratic party'
'Controvertial left wing politician'

The double standards are staggering, and it is done on purpose

Great point.  You are absolutely correct.  I'm going to post this in the liberal media bias thread.

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Re: GOP civil war rages in Senate primary battles
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2014, 10:22:20 AM »
I thought:

Radical = Extreme Liberal
Liberal = Extreme democrat

So hard line conservative is like Liberal or Radical

I think its fair to say both liberals and "hard line conservatives or neo-cons get demonized pretty well.

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Re: GOP civil war rages in Senate primary battles
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2014, 10:26:05 AM »
Exactly. We constantly see the following, in the mainstream media, to describe the Right, but NEVER the Left. The double standard is sickening:
'Hard line conservatives'
'Hard-right politician'
'Radicals'
'Radical elements in the republican party'
'Extremists'
'Extremist elements in the republican party'
'Controvertial right wing politician'

When is the last time you saw the exact same terms used to descibe the other side of the aisle?
'Hard line liberals'
'Hard left politician'
'Radicals'
'Radical elements in the democratic party'
'Extremists'
'Extremist elements in the democratic party'
'Controvertial left wing politician'

The double standards are staggering, and it is done on purpose

it's not a double standard if there are no "radical or extremists" on the left

the best you can do is Bernie Sanders

Remember how right wingers are always saying just because we're all created equal doesn't mean we're all equal

It's the exact same argument

Your side owns the radical and extremist labels

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Re: GOP civil war rages in Senate primary battles
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2014, 10:28:12 AM »
I thought:

Radical = Extreme Liberal
Liberal = Extreme democrat

So hard line conservative is like Liberal or Radical

I think its fair to say both liberals and "hard line conservatives or neo-cons get demonized pretty well.

By the MSM?  Nah.

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Re: GOP civil war rages in Senate primary battles
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« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2014, 10:55:08 AM »
it's not a double standard if there are no "radical or extremists" on the left

the best you can do is Bernie Sanders

Remember how right wingers are always saying just because we're all created equal doesn't mean we're all equal

It's the exact same argument

Your side owns the radical and extremist labels

There are extremist elements on BOTH sides. However, most of the republicans constantly labeled as 'extremist' , such as ted cruz, are not extremist at all. The truth is, there are more leftist politicians pushing for things that are legitimately extremist when compared to the united states' history and ideological traditions than there are on the right, and they hold much higher positions.The thing is is that they NEVER get get called such by the media. For them, being far-left IS THE NORMAL and therefore anything to the right of far-left is to them, extremist.
For example:
Hard-line liberal politicians such as obama, holder, feinstein, etc...want to 'fundamentally change' the country and do things like socialize the entire health care system, use the office of the department of justice to pursue racial agendas, and if possible, completely ban american firearm ownership.
THESE are radical agendas, pushed by true extremists. But to the media, this is just 'normal'.

Yet ted cruz pushes comparatively mundane agendas such as fiscal responsibility, maintaining the rule of law and seeking to ensure the executive branch stays within the bounds of the united states constitution, and protecting national sovereignty. These are not radical or extreme positions. Yet it is HE who the media slaughters as 'a crazy radical extremist'.

Incredible, ridiculous double standard.

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Re: GOP civil war rages in Senate primary battles
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2014, 10:57:03 AM »
By FOX?  yeah


Fox all by itself is a drop in the bucket compared to the entire rest of the (leftist) MSM combined. I dont know why people keep comparing the two as if they were 'equal'  ::)

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Re: GOP civil war rages in Senate primary battles
« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2014, 10:57:59 AM »
By FOX?  yeah


By Fox opinion shows, yes.  Not their hard news shows.  And definitely not by the MSM (print, TV, internet). 

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Re: GOP civil war rages in Senate primary battles
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2014, 10:58:35 AM »
Fox all by itself is a drop in the bucket compared to the entire rest of the (leftist) MSM combined. I dont know why people keep comparing the two as if they were 'equal'  ::)

I thought we just had a thread that FOX had higher ratings than CNN, MSN, and all the other liberal news outlets combined?

FOX NEWS 2013 RATINGS MORE THAN MSNBC, CNN, HLN COMBINED

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/12/16/Fox-News-competition

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Re: GOP civil war rages in Senate primary battles
« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2014, 11:16:43 AM »
Fox all by itself is a drop in the bucket compared to the entire rest of the (leftist) MSM combined. I dont know why people keep comparing the two as if they were 'equal'  ::)

Fox is the number 1 rated news network is it not?

If so that puts the "entire rest of the (leftist) MSM combined." into perspective

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Re: GOP civil war rages in Senate primary battles
« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2014, 11:17:37 AM »
By Fox opinion shows, yes.  Not their hard news shows.  And definitely not by the MSM (print, TV, internet). 

So you are saying that FOX doesn't demonize liberals on their "hard news" but MSM does with Conservatives?

Perhaps you can give some samples

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Re: GOP civil war rages in Senate primary battles
« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2014, 11:19:13 AM »
Fox is the number 1 rated news network is it not?

If so that puts the "entire rest of the (leftist) MSM combined." into perspective

FOX has more viewers than all the lib cable networks combined.  Brietbart brags about it. 

It's hard to claim you're not the "mainstream" media... when you are the MAJORITY of cable news.  It's like Floyd Mayweather calling himself "Underdog!"

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Re: GOP civil war rages in Senate primary battles
« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2014, 11:41:03 AM »
There are extremist elements on BOTH sides. However, most of the republicans constantly labeled as 'extremist' , such as ted cruz, are not extremist at all. The truth is, there are more leftist politicians pushing for things that are legitimately extremist when compared to the united states' history and ideological traditions than there are on the right, and they hold much higher positions.The thing is is that they NEVER get get called such by the media. For them, being far-left IS THE NORMAL and therefore anything to the right of far-left is to them, extremist.
For example:
Hard-line liberal politicians such as obama, holder, feinstein, etc...want to 'fundamentally change' the country and do things like socialize the entire health care system, use the office of the department of justice to pursue racial agendas, and if possible, completely ban american firearm ownership.
THESE are radical agendas, pushed by true extremists. But to the media, this is just 'normal'.

Yet ted cruz pushes comparatively mundane agendas such as fiscal responsibility, maintaining the rule of law and seeking to ensure the executive branch stays within the bounds of the united states constitution, and protecting national sovereignty. These are not radical or extreme positions. Yet it is HE who the media slaughters as 'a crazy radical extremist'.

Incredible, ridiculous double standard.

so you think that Obama, Holder and Feinstein are extremists and Ted Cruz is relatively mundane?

Do I understand you correctly?

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Re: GOP civil war rages in Senate primary battles
« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2014, 11:42:37 AM »
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