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Re: What's a good starter gun to protect the household? (bb related)
« Reply #75 on: May 10, 2014, 07:23:14 PM »
Yup exactly birdshot is useless very bad idea. If someone armed and serious come in our serious assailants you want the right tool.

I'm not shooting buckshot in my home with kids in the next room.

you're making it sound like birdshot is akin to throwing a bar of soap at somebody.

if somebody is 'armed and serious', they are gonna have the upper hand from the start as you're gonna be entirely umprepared even if you have an tact-barrel/folding stock FN-FAL in every room.

unless you're a diamond-dealer, jewelry store owner, banker, payday loan center owner, pawn-shop owner, or drug dealer, 9 times out of 10, the guy breaking into your home is gonna be some cowardly burgler that's gonna either be unarmed, or even if he is armed, he'll be too spooked to draw his weapon, let alone fire it accurately when he's confronted with a weapon pointed at him... and that 'spooked' level goes to x10 when that weapon is fired at him and he's gonna be looking for the nearest exit.

unlike the movies (like Belly or Shottas or Scarface), in-home shootouts are very very rare. chances are you're gonna get off 1 or 2 shots and chances of you hitting somebody are even more slim (increasing the chances of you hitting an unintended victim, such as a child in the next room... or two rooms away, as the case with a .223 or 9mm or #00)

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« Reply #76 on: May 10, 2014, 07:28:19 PM »


Ok, now break it down by how many of those shootings were ghetto goblins popping each other over control of rock corners, wrong colored do rags, or the latest pair of foamposites.

I'm sure amongst normal folks those numbers drop considerably.

As for the rest, suicides happen, hunting accidents happen, etc.... Not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things.

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Re: What's a good starter gun to protect the household? (bb related)
« Reply #77 on: May 10, 2014, 07:29:20 PM »
I would not want to get hit in the neck or face with birdshot.  It definitely does not have the stopping power of 00 or 000 shell, but it can be lethal nevertheless.

This was my point, but there's some good arguments here regarding knockdown power. I may revise my stance.

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« Reply #78 on: May 10, 2014, 07:59:43 PM »
For home protection...fence your home and get 2-3 of these


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« Reply #79 on: May 10, 2014, 08:38:07 PM »
For most people:
1.  9mm handgun.  15+ rounds
2.  60+ lumen flashlight bonus if attached to gun and is grip activated.
3.  A plan to clear your house and move those that need be to safer locations.
4.  Firearm training and at least monthly practice.


Long guns are hard to maneuver in tight spots, hallways, corners, etc.  really not the best.

I have multiple guns ready.  AR in 5.56 with TAP rounds and suppressor.  Laser and light.  44 ago revo and two Sigs with sure fire lights and grip activators.

I've been broken into before..I take it seriously.

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Re: What's a good starter gun to protect the household? (bb related)
« Reply #80 on: May 10, 2014, 08:41:34 PM »
For most people:
1.  9mm handgun.  15+ rounds
2.  60+ lumen flashlight bonus if attached to gun and is grip activated.
3.  A plan to clear your house and move those that need be to safer locations.
4.  Firearm training and at least monthly practice.


Long guns are hard to maneuver in tight spots, hallways, corners, etc.  really not the best.

I have multiple guns ready.  AR in 5.56 with TAP rounds and suppressor.  Laser and light.  44 ago revo and two Sigs with sure fire lights and grip activators.

I've been broken into before..I take it seriously.

Ya I have a glock 19 with 15 round mags 4 loaded up ready to go with gold tip hollow points. I have a cheap but effective light mounted on the bottom. The mossy stays in the closet buckshot in the tube slugs on the carrier.

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Re: What's a good starter gun to protect the household? (bb related)
« Reply #81 on: May 10, 2014, 08:50:25 PM »
For most people:
1.  9mm handgun.  15+ rounds
2.  60+ lumen flashlight bonus if attached to gun and is grip activated.
3.  A plan to clear your house and move those that need be to safer locations.
4.  Firearm training and at least monthly practice.


Long guns are hard to maneuver in tight spots, hallways, corners, etc.  really not the best.

I have multiple guns ready.  AR in 5.56 with TAP rounds and suppressor.  Laser and light.  44 ago revo and two Sigs with sure fire lights and grip activators.

I've been broken into before..I take it seriously.

Damn that's a lot to have to worry about.  Have you considered moving to a safer area?

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Re: What's a good starter gun to protect the household? (bb related)
« Reply #82 on: May 10, 2014, 09:02:51 PM »
For most people:
1.  9mm handgun.  15+ rounds
2.  60+ lumen flashlight bonus if attached to gun and is grip activated.
3.  A plan to clear your house and move those that need be to safer locations.
4.  Firearm training and at least monthly practice.


Long guns are hard to maneuver in tight spots, hallways, corners, etc.  really not the best.

I have multiple guns ready.  AR in 5.56 with TAP rounds and suppressor.  Laser and light.  44 ago revo and two Sigs with sure fire lights and grip activators.

I've been broken into before..I take it seriously.

where do you live in Colombia? and are you a drug lord? who is after you?

avg home defense (even in the hoodiest of hoods) is a dog that can bark.

Unless you walk around your home with a gun on your person 100% of the time (again are you a drug lord?)...99.9% aint carrying at home like that (I don't)...if you are...MOVE....a home invasion would require you to run to your stash to get your firearm, so you need some type of alert system around the first layer to trigger this action and that is a dog or home alert system to for windows ,doors, garages or monitor...again...are you a drug lord?


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Re: What's a good starter gun to protect the household? (bb related)
« Reply #83 on: May 10, 2014, 09:04:42 PM »
Shotguns are always nice for beginners.  I prefer the Colt M4 Carbine model 6920.  It's light, accurate, you can add optics and a light to it, and a 30 round magazine is hard to beat.

Whatever you buy get some training.  It's important and not expensive.

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Re: What's a good starter gun to protect the household? (bb related)
« Reply #84 on: May 10, 2014, 09:06:02 PM »
Ok, now break it down by how many of those shootings were ghetto goblins popping each other over control of rock corners, wrong colored do rags, or the latest pair of foamposites.

I'm sure amongst normal folks those numbers drop considerably.

As for the rest, suicides happen, hunting accidents happen, etc.... Not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things.

This man gets it.

Also, I love the term ghetto goblin.  Classic.

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Re: What's a good starter gun to protect the household? (bb related)
« Reply #85 on: May 10, 2014, 09:06:31 PM »
Hilarious argument about use of bird shot.
Google the numerous articles about it. Yeah I don't wanna get shit with it ...retarded argument.

Might as well have a baseball bat then

Too many tactical dorks on here making silly arguments. People arguing semantics and their opinions who shoot or handle weapons 1-2 a year.

Bottom line is this

Gun for "home defense" is like a fire extinguisher ...for emergency use only for an unlikely scenario.

Stupid pistol vs shotgun vs rifle home defense shit. Use whatever gun you shoot most with enough oomph in the cartridge whether it's 9mm or 45acp or 12 gauge buckshot.

If you're worried about rounds scattering into adjacent room them shotgun is poor choice. Also ANY bed side type gun has to have a flashlight attached! Obvious reasons

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Re: What's a good starter gun to protect the household? (bb related)
« Reply #86 on: May 10, 2014, 09:08:58 PM »
I'm not shooting buckshot in my home with kids in the next room.

you're making it sound like birdshot is akin to throwing a bar of soap at somebody.

Dude bird shot penetrates like an inch or 2. Might as well be soap.

A motivated intruder with head full of steam will carry on their business.

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Re: What's a good starter gun to protect the household? (bb related)
« Reply #87 on: May 10, 2014, 09:26:58 PM »
where do you live in Colombia? and are you a drug lord? who is after you?

avg home defense (even in the hoodiest of hoods) is a dog that can bark.

Unless you walk around your home with a gun on your person 100% of the time (again are you a drug lord?)...99.9% aint carrying at home like that (I don't)...if you are...MOVE....a home invasion would require you to run to your stash to get your firearm, so you need some type of alert system around the first layer to trigger this action and that is a dog or home alert system to for windows ,doors, garages or monitor...again...are you a drug lord?


Haha.  No.  Used to live in Chicago...   Now live in a nice town, but we have had a series of break ins over the last few years in the neighborhood.  Golf course community, tweakers  smash in and grab cash, guns, anything quick.  They come in groups of 3 or more and smash the front doors in, and generally are willing to shoot.


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Re: What's a good starter gun to protect the household? (bb related)
« Reply #88 on: May 10, 2014, 09:47:35 PM »
Good thread, surprised E-Kul hasn't melted down yet.

Blind man beaten, pregnant wife raped in Wisconsin home invasion, police say


Published March 13, 2014
Associated Press


From right, Michon A. Thomas, Kristopher J. Hughes and Eric D. Bass face sexual assault and armed robbery charges after police said they broke into a Madison home looking for money, found a man and his wife lying in bed and assaulted the woman, who was six months pregnant, after beating her husband.AP

The men accused of severely beating a man and repeatedly sexually assaulting his pregnant wife may have meant to target a different home for a robbery, authorities in Wisconsin said.

Three men face sexual assault and armed robbery charges after police said they broke into a Madison home looking for money, found the couple lying in bed and assaulted the woman, who was six months pregnant, after beating her husband. But a criminal complaint shows a woman may have sought to send the men to rob the home of a man she was dating.

The complaint filed Tuesday details a botched robbery plan that may have been intended to target the victims' neighbor. Authorities said Efemia A. Neumaier told the assailants they'd find at least $1,500 in cash in the home of the man she was seeing, but that the men broke into the wrong home.

Michon A. Thomas, Eric D. Bass and Kristopher J. Hughes all face robbery and sexual assault charges in the in the Feb. 23 home invasion on Madison's east side.

Neumaier has been charged with conspiracy to commit armed robbery after the man she was seeing discovered her Facebook messages to Thomas setting up the attack, the complaint says. Two others accused of helping plan and carry out the attack also have been charged.

The complaint says that while the couple struggled to sleep about 5 a.m. that Sunday morning, the male victim, who is legally blind without his glasses, noticed the bedroom door was open and shouldn't have been.

"Is someone here?" the man called out from bed. A suspect then turned on the bedroom light and three men burst into the room, demanding money.

"Someone's gonna die tonight," one suspect said, according to the complaint. One suspect was allegedly wearing a mask from the movie "Scream."

The female victim told the three men repeatedly that she was pregnant, and that the men could take what they wanted from the house.
Reports say Hughes pulled the male victim from bed, laid him on his back and began hitting him in the face with a gun and punching and kicking his body.

Another suspect pulled the woman from bed and ordered her to lie on her stomach in the hallway, the report says. A suspect allegedly took a handgun and put it to the woman's stomach, saying, "You're going to die tonight."

All three men are accused of sexually assaulting the woman, and one is accused of forcing her to perform oral sex.

After putting the couple in a darkened laundry room, the complaint says the men left with electronics and the couple's credit cards and wedding rings. The complaint says the men left in a rented Ford Fusion driven by DeAndrae L. Mayweathers Jr., who was charged with conspiracy to commit armed robbery.

The victims ran to a neighbor's house for help, the man with what's described in the report as a baseball-sized contusion to his head and the woman bleeding from the assault.

Police said after interviewing neighbors that the alleged assailants planned a "lick" on a man believed to carry large sums of money, but struck the wrong house.

A fifth man, DeMarco D. Mallit, has been charged with theft and aiding a felon. Investigators said the robbery was planned at his apartment.

Bass, who pleaded no contest to three counts of sexual assault in 2011, was ordered held on a $75,000 cash bail. That was higher than Thomas and Hughes, who received $50,000 bail each. Mayweathers was held on $10,000 bail, and Neumaier and Mallit were each held on $5,000 bail.

Public defenders have not yet been assigned to the suspects. Court commissioner Todd E. Meurer advised Bass on Tuesday to hire a private attorney right away.

Police said Mayweathers' girlfriend told them he wanted to drive the car because it was rented in his name, but that "he did not want to be involved in (the robbery)."

She said when he told her the story he did not mention how the woman was assaulted or that she was six months pregnant.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/13/wisconsin-home-invaders-beat-blind-husband-raped-pregnant-wife-police-say/

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« Reply #89 on: May 10, 2014, 10:05:21 PM »
Seriously, I have a gun for one reason only - to kill home invaders. I'm not going to risk my families life with tazers, pepper spray or other bullshit that won't work on a gang of drugged out, armed Hebrews intent on rape and murder. The last house that got raided here had a happy ending when the old ladies son was home and armed, and shot the Trayvons as they forced their way in.

And anyone who robs a house with a Rottweiler is not going to be stopped with a pissy little stun gun.

This.

If someone breaks into my house I'm killing the fuck out of them.

By the sound of things I'll be getting a shotgun for home and a handgun for fun. I've shot a few at the range and have lots of friends who can fill me in from there. They're gun nuts and going to take me in to get my registration soon.

Still got more research to do. This thread is awesome. Thanks again, all.

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Re: What's a good starter gun to protect the household? (bb related)
« Reply #90 on: May 10, 2014, 10:06:34 PM »


gotcha gotcha ...those "randoms" crimes are the worst ones. the ones where the cluckers actually "travel" to nice parts of towns and do random smash and grabs, purse snatches, knocking on doors during work hours to see if anybody is home type shit (wife..etc) then kick in the door.


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Re: What's a good starter gun to protect the household? (bb related)
« Reply #91 on: May 10, 2014, 10:52:08 PM »
More of Obamas sons enacting justice for Trayvon.

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« Reply #92 on: May 10, 2014, 11:16:43 PM »
Christ, where to even start with this?
wherever you'd like would be my friendly suggestion.

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« Reply #93 on: May 10, 2014, 11:38:30 PM »
Good thread, surprised E-Kul hasn't melted down yet.

Blind man beaten, pregnant wife raped in Wisconsin home invasion, police say


Published March 13, 2014
Associated Press


From right, Michon A. Thomas, Kristopher J. Hughes and Eric D. Bass face sexual assault and armed robbery charges after police said they broke into a Madison home looking for money, found a man and his wife lying in bed and assaulted the woman, who was six months pregnant, after beating her husband.AP

The men accused of severely beating a man and repeatedly sexually assaulting his pregnant wife may have meant to target a different home for a robbery, authorities in Wisconsin said.

Three men face sexual assault and armed robbery charges after police said they broke into a Madison home looking for money, found the couple lying in bed and assaulted the woman, who was six months pregnant, after beating her husband. But a criminal complaint shows a woman may have sought to send the men to rob the home of a man she was dating.

The complaint filed Tuesday details a botched robbery plan that may have been intended to target the victims' neighbor. Authorities said Efemia A. Neumaier told the assailants they'd find at least $1,500 in cash in the home of the man she was seeing, but that the men broke into the wrong home.

Michon A. Thomas, Eric D. Bass and Kristopher J. Hughes all face robbery and sexual assault charges in the in the Feb. 23 home invasion on Madison's east side.

Neumaier has been charged with conspiracy to commit armed robbery after the man she was seeing discovered her Facebook messages to Thomas setting up the attack, the complaint says. Two others accused of helping plan and carry out the attack also have been charged.

The complaint says that while the couple struggled to sleep about 5 a.m. that Sunday morning, the male victim, who is legally blind without his glasses, noticed the bedroom door was open and shouldn't have been.

"Is someone here?" the man called out from bed. A suspect then turned on the bedroom light and three men burst into the room, demanding money.

"Someone's gonna die tonight," one suspect said, according to the complaint. One suspect was allegedly wearing a mask from the movie "Scream."

The female victim told the three men repeatedly that she was pregnant, and that the men could take what they wanted from the house.
Reports say Hughes pulled the male victim from bed, laid him on his back and began hitting him in the face with a gun and punching and kicking his body.

Another suspect pulled the woman from bed and ordered her to lie on her stomach in the hallway, the report says. A suspect allegedly took a handgun and put it to the woman's stomach, saying, "You're going to die tonight."

All three men are accused of sexually assaulting the woman, and one is accused of forcing her to perform oral sex.

After putting the couple in a darkened laundry room, the complaint says the men left with electronics and the couple's credit cards and wedding rings. The complaint says the men left in a rented Ford Fusion driven by DeAndrae L. Mayweathers Jr., who was charged with conspiracy to commit armed robbery.

The victims ran to a neighbor's house for help, the man with what's described in the report as a baseball-sized contusion to his head and the woman bleeding from the assault.

Police said after interviewing neighbors that the alleged assailants planned a "lick" on a man believed to carry large sums of money, but struck the wrong house.

A fifth man, DeMarco D. Mallit, has been charged with theft and aiding a felon. Investigators said the robbery was planned at his apartment.

Bass, who pleaded no contest to three counts of sexual assault in 2011, was ordered held on a $75,000 cash bail. That was higher than Thomas and Hughes, who received $50,000 bail each. Mayweathers was held on $10,000 bail, and Neumaier and Mallit were each held on $5,000 bail.

Public defenders have not yet been assigned to the suspects. Court commissioner Todd E. Meurer advised Bass on Tuesday to hire a private attorney right away.

Police said Mayweathers' girlfriend told them he wanted to drive the car because it was rented in his name, but that "he did not want to be involved in (the robbery)."

She said when he told her the story he did not mention how the woman was assaulted or that she was six months pregnant.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/13/wisconsin-home-invaders-beat-blind-husband-raped-pregnant-wife-police-say/

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Re: What's a good starter gun to protect the household? (bb related)
« Reply #94 on: May 11, 2014, 01:47:58 AM »
gotcha gotcha ...those "randoms" crimes are the worst ones. the ones where the cluckers actually "travel" to nice parts of towns and do random smash and grabs, purse snatches, knocking on doors during work hours to see if anybody is home type shit (wife..etc) then kick in the door.



All the houses at the bottom of the hill, next to the freeway that runs up into the shittest part of Oakland, have security doors, barbed wire fences etc. one of the reasons I brought a mile up a steep hill is the Hebrews are too lazy to come all the way up here.

Lucky for us with a permanent democrat majority running the city they will keep importing Oakland shitbags like the ones in that article posted and we get to pay for them to live closer to the richer folks ... It's social justice as they don't have as far to drive to claim their "reparations" from elderly Chinese ladies living alone.


EKul would likely open the door and invite them in to ensure no guns were discharged.

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Re: What's a good starter gun to protect the household? (bb related)
« Reply #95 on: May 11, 2014, 01:53:01 AM »
A starter gun is ok for race day but you should get an actual gun for protection.

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« Reply #96 on: May 11, 2014, 06:05:47 AM »
I know a guy that practices martial arts and in his art they practice swords. He uses a real sword for home defense as nutty as that sounds. He showed me video of 300 pound hogs that had their heads completely cut off in one stroke of a guy with a sword. He showed me another video of a side of beef shot with 00 buck shot. It had 9 holes in the side of beef. Then a guy with a sword cuts the entire side of beef in half with a sword. In ancient day war must have been brutal with swords, spears and arrows.

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One somebody chimes in on the efficacy of a replica sword, we're done. But one last thought from me on this idea: you do know that many home confrontations are in hallways, right? You might want to think about the value of the overhead strike with 8' ceilings.

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« Reply #97 on: May 11, 2014, 06:56:08 AM »
 ;D just keep 3 or 4 of these on hand , while killer is shooting one or two of them the others would rip his or her throat out. actually people even crazies don't like to mess with big dogs.
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« Reply #98 on: May 11, 2014, 07:16:58 AM »
;D just keep 3 or 4 of these on hand , while killer is shooting one or two of them the others would rip his or her throat out. actually people even crazies don't like to mess with big dogs.

True. I agree. Standard home defense...dogs.

For the randoms though....there are just too many variables. Hell, not too long ago where I live (nice area) this woman was robbed and beaten while waiting on the security gate to open at her community. Guy just smashed her driver side window, drug her out, beat her, took her purse.

Some drifter that worked his way to the area basically.

I know i'm pretty much on guard all the time, but not everyone is wired that way. Even I could get caught "slippin" in a random. Those bother me the most.

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« Reply #99 on: May 11, 2014, 07:35:06 AM »
True. I agree. Standard home defense...dogs.

For the randoms though....there are just too many variables. Hell, not too long ago where I live (nice area) this woman was robbed and beaten while waiting on the security gate to open at her community. Guy just smashed her driver side window, drug her out, beat her, took her purse.

Some drifter that worked his way to the area basically.

I know i'm pretty much on guard all the time, but not everyone is wired that way. Even I could get caught "slippin" in a random. Those bother me the most.

The chances of something like this happening are very very low... you have a far greater chance of being killed by a drunk driver.

Take reasonable measures to ensure your safety, but spending your life worrying about something that will most likely never happen is no way to go through life.  That's my opinion at least