which is exactly my point. the thickest bodybuilders, by and large are the strongest. a generalization, yes, but a relativly true one. now there are a ton of bodybuilders out there who dont have to lift heavy. ive mentioned paul dillet, but there was flex wheeler. he had about the best bodybuilding genetics ever, imo, and didnt lift heavy at all. cormier, before he got lazy in his dieting, used to bury him. imagine what he would have looked like if he had REALLY busted his ass and lifted heavy. now, we are not powerlifters, we are bodybuilders. i think most powerlifters walk around like cripples, god bless them. but strength training has more than its place in bodybuilding.