Getbig Bodybuilding, Figure and Fitness Forums
April 19, 2014, 10:28:09 AM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
 
   Home   Help Calendar Login Register  
Pages: [1]   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: maximum natural potential - myth or fact?  (Read 4536 times)
tom joad
Getbig IV
****
Posts: 2895

Getbig!


View Profile
« on: January 24, 2006, 10:06:26 AM »

I've read a number of posts where guys say that they didn't start to juice until they had trained naturally for about 5 years and they had reached their "natural maximum potential."  Do you believe that there is such a natural limit?  I've been training hard and consistently (with good nutrition) for about 10 years now and i'm still making improvements . . . although my improvements, obviously, are not as dramatic as when I first started training.  So wouldn't a natural physique only start to decline when advanced age (whatever that age might be) starts to kick in?
Report to moderator   Logged
Ursus
Moderator
Getbig V
*****
Posts: 11417

Getbig!


View Profile
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2006, 10:17:34 AM »

I've read a number of posts where guys claim that they didn't start to juice until they had trained naturally for about 5 years and they had reached their "natural maximum potential."  Do you believe that there is such a natural limit?  I've been training hard and consistently (with good nutrition) for about 10 years now and i'm still making improvements . . . although my improvements, obviously, are not as dramatic as when I first started training.  So wouldn't a natural physique only start to decline when advanced age (whatever that age might be) starts to kick in?

i disagree with the 5 year natural potential.

http://www.lamuscle.com/docs/world/aselector.php?athlete=McIlory

i believe after 5 yars maybe you reach anywhere between 60-80% of what you can ever achieve. for example starting out at 180 after 5 years hard dedicated training you may be 220 naturally. however in order to take it that little bit furthur as you say juice will help. however if you have great genetics you will keep improving.

my friend for example for years was a boxer in the 148lb class. he still is and since he devised hgimself a new routine his deadlift is literally flying up, about a 510lb max now.naturally at 25 yrs old. having only been training it since may since a serious injury

he WILL be the first person naturally to dead 4x b/w at the wdfpf world champs in cork, ireland in november. he is also an la muscle sponsered athlete and runs a personal training business.

he has been weight traing since he was 16 or 17.

the dead lift is even more impressive when 2 years ago her herniated L4 and L5 discs in his back.

just needs another 40kg or so in next 10 months
Report to moderator   Logged
Bluto
Getbig V
*****
Gender: Male
Posts: 33238


Well?


View Profile
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2006, 10:51:18 AM »

i think there's a limit but most people are probably not even close to reach it when they THINK they've reached it... impatience comes crawling.
it's also interesting with this 'muscle maturity' thing that a lot of bodybuilders look their best in their 30's...
Report to moderator   Logged

Z
Prime
Getbig IV
****
Posts: 1021


The force is strong in this'un


View Profile
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2006, 11:15:22 AM »

Id say within 5 years of true hardcore training and diet (not 5 years of doing a half arsed impersonation) a person can reach 70-90% of their overall potential size.  After that it's a long hard gradual slog, but strength, conditioning and muscle development will still be improving even if there is very little improvement in size.

Why do i think this?  Well Lok at the guys who compete, usually the weight class they competed in after 5 years of training is the one they are still in even if they have been competing for 10 years.
Report to moderator   Logged

[img]http://ima
GET_BIGGER
Getbig IV
****
Gender: Male
Posts: 3032


Peace and good genes be to you


View Profile
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2006, 11:25:08 AM »

Yeah, I don't know about limitations.  The body is so remarkable at adapting to change so well that it would be hard for me to think that there are limitations to how big you can get and long as your doing the basics correctly.  I can understand it slowing down do to age and decreased test levels, but as far as gains in the 16-40, I think that will be still possible.
Report to moderator   Logged
Acerimmer1
Getbig II
**
Posts: 239

Getbig!


View Profile
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2006, 01:17:02 PM »

I've read a number of posts where guys say that they didn't start to juice until they had trained naturally for about 5 years and they had reached their "natural maximum potential."  Do you believe that there is such a natural limit?  I've been training hard and consistently (with good nutrition) for about 10 years now and i'm still making improvements . . . although my improvements, obviously, are not as dramatic as when I first started training.  So wouldn't a natural physique only start to decline when advanced age (whatever that age might be) starts to kick in?

Nobody has yet reached the limit of what is naturally possible. Many people believe they have reached their natural limit without the use of drugs these people are wrong. I don't know if anybody has ever even reached the upper limit of what is practically achievable in their specific circumstances.

Ever heard of Rob Feesey? A natural bodybuilder over 50 who won his class in the efbb Britain afew years back. Yep that was funny. Very funny, those other guys may never live it down. Imagine that you a young guy in the prime of life loaded on the sauce and out of nowhere this natural guy old enough to be you Dad whoops your arse all over the stage. Too funny!
Report to moderator   Logged
Prime
Getbig IV
****
Posts: 1021


The force is strong in this'un


View Profile
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2006, 05:22:49 PM »

Nobody has yet reached the limit of what is naturally possible. Many people believe they have reached their natural limit without the use of drugs these people are wrong. I don't know if anybody has ever even reached the upper limit of what is practically achievable in their specific circumstances.

Ever heard of Rob Feesey? A natural bodybuilder over 50 who won his class in the efbb Britain afew years back. Yep that was funny. Very funny, those other guys may never live it down. Imagine that you a young guy in the prime of life loaded on the sauce and out of nowhere this natural guy old enough to be you Dad whoops your arse all over the stage. Too funny!
Yeah Rob still competes, diddnt realise he was that old.  Theres also lee williams who is natural but has been the EFBB lightweight british champ


Rob Feesey


Thing is just think how much further both these guys could fesibly get with some steroids, the mind boggles!
Report to moderator   Logged

[img]http://ima
brianX
Getbig IV
****
Posts: 2813

Kiwiol has 13" arms!


View Profile
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2006, 01:13:48 AM »

I am inclined to believe that it is a myth.
Report to moderator   Logged

hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Acerimmer1
Getbig II
**
Posts: 239

Getbig!


View Profile
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2006, 04:42:13 PM »

Yeah Rob still competes, diddnt realise he was that old.  Theres also lee williams who is natural but has been the EFBB lightweight british champ


Rob Feesey


Thing is just think how much further both these guys could fesibly get with some steroids, the mind boggles!

Don't think that pic does Lee Justice in terms of size! Nor Feeseys lats which have a shape from the side I never saw anywhere else even on a pro.
Report to moderator   Logged
Prime
Getbig IV
****
Posts: 1021


The force is strong in this'un


View Profile
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2006, 05:19:03 PM »

Don't think that pic does Lee Justice in terms of size! Nor Feeseys lats which have a shape from the side I never saw anywhere else even on a pro.
Well i have not met either in person so i couldnt really give an opinion.  Id say both look huge though considering how much they weigh.
Report to moderator   Logged

[img]http://ima
jonno gb
Competitors II
Getbig III
******
Posts: 579


Getbig!


View Profile
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2006, 03:56:58 PM »

I think Rob might be a little offended-he's not in his 50's yet-about 45,I think.He's not got the best shape but has plenty of dense muscle and unreal condition.He placed secongd to Earl Snyder from the USA in the recent UIBBN World Championships in France.Lee Williams beat him into 3rd when he won the EFBB lightweights and also has an amazing physique.Many of the top naturals seem to be quite short-anyone know why?
Report to moderator   Logged
XS
Getbig II
**
Posts: 179

Getbig!


View Profile
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2006, 06:14:58 PM »

The REAL question should be:   What is the maximum HUMAN potential?  The more we learn about this amazing adapting machine, the more we realize we don't know..   Noway are we even close.     The only thing stopping you is you..   The size and depth of conviction to your dream, your passion, your absolute gut wrenching desire to succeed at all costs...    THAT will decide for you, YOUR maximum HUMAN potential.


XS
Report to moderator   Logged
jonno gb
Competitors II
Getbig III
******
Posts: 579


Getbig!


View Profile
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2006, 05:09:49 AM »

The REAL question should be:   What is the maximum HUMAN potential?  The more we learn about this amazing adapting machine, the more we realize we don't know..   Noway are we even close.     The only thing stopping you is you..   The size and depth of conviction to your dream, your passion, your absolute gut wrenching desire to succeed at all costs...    THAT will decide for you, YOUR maximum HUMAN potential.
XS
Great post Cool
Report to moderator   Logged
Acerimmer1
Getbig II
**
Posts: 239

Getbig!


View Profile
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2006, 09:12:22 AM »

The REAL question should be:   What is the maximum HUMAN potential?  The more we learn about this amazing adapting machine, the more we realize we don't know..   Noway are we even close.     The only thing stopping you is you..   The size and depth of conviction to your dream, your passion, your absolute gut wrenching desire to succeed at all costs...    THAT will decide for you, YOUR maximum HUMAN potential.
XS
Nicely put!

So what you're saying is I'll decide my maximum natural potential, in that case I decide to be HUGE.
Report to moderator   Logged
Bast175
Getbig V
*****
Gender: Male
Posts: 4592



View Profile
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2006, 04:08:25 PM »

The more gains you make the longer it takes to make gains.  You only have so much testosterone in your body.
Report to moderator   Logged
XS
Getbig II
**
Posts: 179

Getbig!


View Profile
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2006, 08:15:39 PM »

Nicely put!
So what you're saying is I'll decide my maximum natural potential, in that case I decide to be HUGE.

Yes, that is correct.  Visualize - Internalize - Materialize   


XS
Report to moderator   Logged
brianX
Getbig IV
****
Posts: 2813

Kiwiol has 13" arms!


View Profile
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2006, 01:17:51 AM »

The more gains you make the longer it takes to make gains.  You only have so much testosterone in your body.

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Report to moderator   Logged

hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Acerimmer1
Getbig II
**
Posts: 239

Getbig!


View Profile
« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2006, 08:49:20 AM »

The more gains you make the longer it takes to make gains.  You only have so much testosterone in your body.

Testosterone isn't really so important a factor. Which is obvious because of the enormous dosages required to affect significant change. This is why the return you have to put up with alot of side affects for not very much muscle. Testosterone only affects muscle indirectly.).
Report to moderator   Logged
myseone
Getbig III
***
Posts: 459


View Profile
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2006, 10:21:46 PM »

Is there an uper limit to muscle growth? probably not anywhere near what any of us have been able to achieve in my opinion. Consider that none of us fully understand our bodies, we live in a constantly shifting environment, we have have other interests and obligations that we give attention to, etc. Then the only logical is that no one exists who has actually reached their own.

Not to mention that evoultion in supplement quality, training methods, foods, environment, and technology will push whats possible to achieve whether drug free or not upwards over time.

We are nowhere near what we will become
Report to moderator   Logged
GET_BIGGER
Getbig IV
****
Gender: Male
Posts: 3032


Peace and good genes be to you


View Profile
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2006, 01:44:59 PM »

The more gains you make the longer it takes to make gains.  You only have so much testosterone in your body.

WTF??
Report to moderator   Logged
Acerimmer1
Getbig II
**
Posts: 239

Getbig!


View Profile
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2006, 02:12:44 PM »

Is there an uper limit to muscle growth? probably not anywhere near what any of us have been able to achieve in my opinion. Consider that none of us fully understand our bodies, we live in a constantly shifting environment, we have have other interests and obligations that we give attention to, etc. Then the only logical is that no one exists who has actually reached their own.

Not to mention that evoultion in supplement quality, training methods, foods, environment, and technology will push whats possible to achieve whether drug free or not upwards over time.

We are nowhere near what we will become

Is the right answer.
Report to moderator   Logged
Pages: [1]   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Theme created by Egad Community. Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.16 | SMF © 2011, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!