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Pumpzilla
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« on: July 02, 2014, 02:36:30 PM »

I'm on 75 mcg's of levothyroxine. I was put on Levo because my thyroids were overworking to keep me at normal levels. So, it was my doc's thinking to add some in to take the stress off my thyroids. Now I'm cutting down in weight and thinking if adding in ECA would be a good idea or not. If I wasn't on T4 it would be a no brainer for me. But what do you guys think? Stay away from ECA due to being on T4? Or adding it in?

Thank you for your time.
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« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2014, 05:52:26 PM »

What are you saying? You got me confused?

You're on T4 to SLOW DOWN your thyroid??? Have I got this right?

ECA/Clen speed up thyroid.
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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2014, 06:42:18 PM »

What are you saying? You got me confused?

You're on T4 to SLOW DOWN your thyroid??? Have I got this right?

ECA/Clen speed up thyroid.

T4 should slow down the thyroid the same way testosterone slows down testosterone production
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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2014, 10:17:47 PM »

T4 should slow down the thyroid the same way testosterone slows down testosterone production

yeah but only at supraphysiological dosages, right?
if you pin 10mg test a week you are still producing test naturally up to what you would normally produce.

i guess thyroid works the same way, so supplementing thyroid meds would be useless because you would always produce as much as your natural production would be anyway
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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2014, 10:35:13 PM »

yeah but only at supraphysiological dosages, right?
if you pin 10mg test a week you are still producing test naturally up to what you would normally produce.

i guess thyroid works the same way, so supplementing thyroid meds would be useless because you would always produce as much as your natural production would be anyway

nah with test and thyroid meds you'd lower levels if you took less than a replacement dose
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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2014, 02:38:55 AM »

yeah but only at supraphysiological dosages, right?
if you pin 10mg test a week you are still producing test naturally up to what you would normally produce.

i guess thyroid works the same way, so supplementing thyroid meds would be useless because you would always produce as much as your natural production would be anyway

I knew a fella who was on synthroid for hyperthyroid. I belive his dose was 25mcg twice a day.

dude was about 5'9", 20/21yrs old, never touched a steroid in his life, trained 'normally', ate regular prison food and looked like he was carved out of granite... at a bw of about 165lbs at what looked to be about 7%bf, at most. fuckin anatomy chart. looking at him, you'd think he was 205 easy.

imagine that 7yr old "little Hercules" kid from like 15yrs ago? this dude looked like what that kid would've grown up to be.
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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2014, 12:16:33 PM »

nah with test and thyroid meds you'd lower levels if you took less than a replacement dose

i dont think so... i mean it makes no sense physiologically. you will only stop producing test if you take more than what you produce.
lets say you produce 50mg test a week.
you inject 25mg on monday. thats what you would produce in 3.5 days naturally. youre gonna have LOWER test levels than you would have naturally about 3-4 days after that inject. your body WILL produce testosterone to even that out so that you dont come out lower.

why would your body stop producing testosterone if you just injected 1mg ? makes no sense. natural testosterone production varies anyway, on a daily basis and depending on food intake etc.
its not like your body senses OH THERES 1MG TESTOSTERONE MORE IN MY BLOOD, IM JUST GONNA STOP PRODUCING ANYTHING FOR NO REASON  Shocked
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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2014, 09:58:58 PM »

Sorry for any confusion regarding my first post. I looked for the numbers to the tests that were done but could not find them. So, I'll try to better explain my thyroid situation. There was two numbers the doc pointed my attention to.

The first number showed how much the thyroid gland itself was working. Which was a lot higher than it should be.

The second number showed how much of the thyroid hormone was in my system. Which was normal.

Combined they showed that my thyroid gland was working overtime to produce the normal amount of hormone in my body.

I started off with just 25 mcg's. And yes, the hormone level did increase initially. But eventually it started to fall back to the normal range while the gland "relaxed" some. The dose was in the end raised to the 75 mcg's I am taking currently. My latest test results show everything as normal.

Again, I wish I had the numbers to show the actual results.
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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2014, 02:02:09 AM »

i dont think so... i mean it makes no sense physiologically. you will only stop producing test if you take more than what you produce.
lets say you produce 50mg test a week.
you inject 25mg on monday. thats what you would produce in 3.5 days naturally. youre gonna have LOWER test levels than you would have naturally about 3-4 days after that inject. your body WILL produce testosterone to even that out so that you dont come out lower.

why would your body stop producing testosterone if you just injected 1mg ? makes no sense. natural testosterone production varies anyway, on a daily basis and depending on food intake etc.
its not like your body senses OH THERES 1MG TESTOSTERONE MORE IN MY BLOOD, IM JUST GONNA STOP PRODUCING ANYTHING FOR NO REASON  Shocked

nah.. that's how it works.

you take dbol or anavar or eq or whatever, and even though it's not testosterone, you're natural production will cease (or at the very least drop your levels below 100).

body produces 8-12mg/day.. so lets low ball and call it 70mg/wk. now, if you inject 70mg/wk, your natural test will but cut to shit after 3 weeks... try going off and getting bloodwork a couple weeks after your last injection, you'll be wayyy low.

same with other AAS. take 20mg halotestin by itself for 3-4wks and get bloodwork, you'll be sub-200/300 at least.
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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2014, 03:55:01 AM »

nah.. that's how it works.

you take dbol or anavar or eq or whatever, and even though it's not testosterone, you're natural production will cease (or at the very least drop your levels below 100).

body produces 8-12mg/day.. so lets low ball and call it 70mg/wk. now, if you inject 70mg/wk, your natural test will but cut to shit after 3 weeks... try going off and getting bloodwork a couple weeks after your last injection, you'll be wayyy low.

same with other AAS. take 20mg halotestin by itself for 3-4wks and get bloodwork, you'll be sub-200/300 at least.

well thats exactly what im saying, lol.

but testosterone production only drops to 0 if you inject MORE than you would naturally produce.
if you inject 30mg test a week and naturally produce 50mg, you are not going to have zero testosterone production. you will still produce as much as it needs to reach your "natural" amount of test.

obviously this is the same with other compounds, but you cant compare them on a mg to mg basis.
obviously if you inject just 1mg methyltrienolone 5 times a week your testosterone production is probably going to be zilch because methyltrienolone binds like a bazillion times more than testosterone.
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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2014, 04:56:55 AM »

well thats exactly what im saying, lol.

but testosterone production only drops to 0 if you inject MORE than you would naturally produce.
if you inject 30mg test a week and naturally produce 50mg, you are not going to have zero testosterone production. you will still produce as much as it needs to reach your "natural" amount of test.

obviously this is the same with other compounds, but you cant compare them on a mg to mg basis.
obviously if you inject just 1mg methyltrienolone 5 times a week your testosterone production is probably going to be zilch because methyltrienolone binds like a bazillion times more than testosterone.

I don't know the reasons why, honestly. But people that are hyperthyroid get prescribed amounts lower than they produce on a day to day basis and it will reduce the amount in their body
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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2014, 05:23:03 AM »

I don't know the reasons why, honestly. But people that are hyperthyroid get prescribed amounts lower than they produce on a day to day basis and it will reduce the amount in their body

hm okay, learned something new i guess Tongue gotta do some research, maybe ill find out whats the reasoning behind your body adapting like that
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