Ferguson - Rioting for Michael Brown - Discussion

[240 is Back]

I can't believe they aren't putting these crowds down.  Hoses and tear gas and night sticks.

They prevent MORE damage/injury/fire/killing by dealing with the rowdy idiots fast and at once.  Let them riot all night and it is way worse.

They had all day to bring in national guard and prepare.   Beat these hippies to the ground.  I think the shoot is shady as shit, but rioting = unacceptable.  Put a getbigger at the helm to settle these rowdy rioters down fast.

[The True Adonis]

TO BE CLEAR -

Cop was punched twice in his car.

Cop fired on brown, winging him.

Cop tried to radio in, but didn't.

Cop ran 153 feet after brown, then "feared for his life" about a 3rd punch possibly killing him from this "demon" who was like a the Hulk to his being a 5 year old...

Then he fired another 6-7 bullets.   Brown was 25 feet away, unarmed.

I thought the shoot was 100% legal when I thought it happened at the car.  I didn't know the cop regained his bearings and chased the dude 153 feet.

You left out the part of Mike Brown charging him.  Why did you leave that out?

[visualizeperfection]

I can't believe they aren't putting these crowds down.  Hoses and tear gas and night sticks.

They prevent MORE damage/injury/fire/killing by dealing with the rowdy idiots fast and at once.  Let them riot all night and it is way worse.

They had all day to bring in national guard and prepare.   Beat these hippies to the ground.  I think the shoot is shady as shit, but rioting = unacceptable.  Put a getbigger at the helm to settle these rowdy rioters down fast.

What are your qualifications to decide a legit shooting, or a dirty one?

[240 is Back]

You might want to read this: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/darren-wilson/witnesss-said-brown-charged-wilson-897043

there were also witnesses saying he had hands up and was surrendering.  "He executed him" was said by a few witnesses.  We can battle wit statements all day.  

I was just referencing the top took an ass whooping, he feared for his life - But he didn't radio in shit.  He got out dazed and started firing.  and that's after he ran the 50 yard dash?   He ran half a football field and was no doubt gassed.  But no radio.  I dunno, don't they have body radios too?   Took a whooping, can still run 50 yards on his last bit of lungs - can't even call it in, just opens fire?

Shoot was legal... but that cop is dumb as shit, and that's just shitty police work.  you call it in, you collect yourself, and you let 50 of your friends swarm the fcker.  YOu don't take a whooping, sprint til you gas out, then open fire.

And "head down like a football player" = how in the world did the first headshot go straight in?   Doesn't compute there.  Can't shoot in straight on cheek AND on top of dome if his head is down.   And he doesn't move from standing to charging after being shot in the face lol.

[muscleman-2013]

You left out the part of Mike Brown charging him.  Why did you leave that out?

Cos he's a lying cunt?

[The True Adonis]

there were also witnesses saying he had hands up and was surrendering.  "He executed him" was said by a few witnesses.  We can battle wit statements all day.  

I was just referencing the top took an ass whooping, he feared for his life - But he didn't radio in shit.  He got out dazed and started firing.  and that's after he ran the 50 yard dash?   He ran half a football field and was no doubt gassed.  But no radio.  I dunno, don't they have body radios too?   Took a whooping, can still run 50 yards on his last bit of lungs - can't even call it in, just opens fire?

Shoot was legal... but that cop is dumb as shit, and that's just shitty police work.  you call it in, you collect yourself, and you let 50 of your friends swarm the fcker.  YOu don't take a whooping, sprint til you gas out, then open fire.

And "head down like a football player" = how in the world did the first headshot go straight in?   Doesn't compute there.  Can't shoot in straight on cheek AND on top of dome if his head is down.   And he doesn't move from standing to charging after being shot in the face lol.

You do realize that has all been already proven to be complete bullshit.

[240 is Back]

You left out the part of Mike Brown charging him.  Why did you leave that out?

Brown was shot in the cheek AND in top of head.

Did he get shot in the face THEN decide to put head down and charge?   I don't see any scenario where he gets shot in arm, arm, arm, chest, face, THEN he aims head down toward cop and charges.

IF he had only the domeshot, I get it.
IF he had only the cheek shot, I get it.

But Brown was shot BOTH places.  From 25 feet away, the cop can't shoot him in cheek with the head down charging.  

[240 is Back]

You do realize that has all been already proven to be complete bullshit.

EVERY witness has been proven to be wrong?  Or the prosecutor said "We found some wtiness statements to be false"?

I'd like to see a list of ALL witnesses saying it was an execution, hands up, and surrendering, and a list of each of them recanting.  I can't accept prosecutor calming crowds of idiots with "oh, we refuted those statements..." without reading each refute.  He wants to avoid riots, he'll say anything.   

Again, shoot was legal, cop was a bonehead.  Charging 50 yards after someone you called a demon, the hulk?   Without radioing it in?

[The True Adonis]

there were also witnesses saying he had hands up and was surrendering.  "He executed him" was said by a few witnesses.  We can battle wit statements all day.  

I was just referencing the top took an ass whooping, he feared for his life - But he didn't radio in shit.  He got out dazed and started firing.  and that's after he ran the 50 yard dash?   He ran half a football field and was no doubt gassed.  But no radio.  I dunno, don't they have body radios too?   Took a whooping, can still run 50 yards on his last bit of lungs - can't even call it in, just opens fire?

Shoot was legal... but that cop is dumb as shit, and that's just shitty police work.  you call it in, you collect yourself, and you let 50 of your friends swarm the fcker.  YOu don't take a whooping, sprint til you gas out, then open fire.

And "head down like a football player" = how in the world did the first headshot go straight in?   Doesn't compute there.  Can't shoot in straight on cheek AND on top of dome if his head is down.   And he doesn't move from standing to charging after being shot in the face lol.

You need to do a better job reading what actually happened.  The reports are out, I suggest reading them because if you think this is the way it all went down, then you are mistaken.  Take the time and read what happened rather than using what you think happened or what has already been disproved.

Seriously, there is no point in believing the wrong facts, when all of the facts are now available.

[Marty Champions]

A nig gonna nig

[240 is Back]

You need to do a better job reading what actually happened.  The reports are out, I suggest reading them because if you think this is the way it all went down, then you are mistaken.  Take the time and read what happened rather than using what you think happened or what has already been disproved.

Seriously, there is no point in believing the wrong facts, when all of the facts are now available.

will do - link to a comprehensive report of the shooting?  I was looking at the graphics showing dots for each round fired.  They said cop was struck 2 times at car, and feared a 3rd punch would kill him.   Then there was a SECOND bullet batch fired, 153 feet away.

No radio call (my radio must have jammed)

I just can't see running 153 feet if you fear for life, and not calling it in.

[WillGrant]

TO BE CLEAR -

Cop was punched twice in his car.

Cop fired on brown, winging him.

Cop tried to radio in, but didn't.

Cop ran 153 feet after brown, then "feared for his life" about a 3rd punch possibly killing him from this "demon" who was like a the Hulk to his being a 5 year old...

Then he fired another 6-7 bullets.   Brown was 25 feet away, unarmed.

I thought the shoot was 100% legal when I thought it happened at the car.  I didn't know the cop regained his bearings and chased the dude 153 feet.

He punched the cop ? um , well sorry he deserved what came to him - if he had not acted the way he did then there would of been no [police there
and he would still have been alive right ? responsibility for this lies at the criminals feet

[visualizeperfection]

will do - link to a comprehensive report of the shooting?  I was looking at the graphics showing dots for each round fired.  They said cop was struck 2 times at car, and feared a 3rd punch would kill him.   Then there was a SECOND bullet batch fired, 153 feet away.

No radio call (my radio must have jammed)

I just can't see running 153 feet if you fear for life, and not calling it in.

You're right, you cant see it. You have never been there.


I would imagine you would be more focused on the threat, your gun, and your surroundings before you start worrying about the radio. Shooting is taught, and taught, and taught, pounded into your brain until it is muscle memory.... using a radio is not. He was likely very afraid, dazed and acting 100% instinctively.  

[240 is Back]

He punched the cop ? um , well sorry he deserved what came to him - if he had not acted the way he did then there would of been no [police there
and he would still have been alive right ? responsibility for this lies at the criminals feet

Hey, I agree if you punch a cop, you're on fair ground to get wasted.

BUT

If you punch a cop and you run 178 feet to get away - And the cop runs 153 feet and shoots you 25 feet away...

At what point does the shooing become a SECOND confrontation?

At some point, the cop was admittedly dazed, hurting, fearing for life.  Then he doesn't call in the attack/shoot - He jumps out of car and sprints 50 yards.  Then he has a second confrontation - one that a radio and backup in this crowded area would have better handled.  At the VERY least, he's a winded and wounded cop, fearing this demon/hulk, as he called him - do you want him launching 7 bullets at someone 25 feet away, with no regard for where those bullets go?  Lucky nobody else was struck.

Backup would have arrived fast.  You had a 6 foot 4 suspect and a trail of blood.  You can see him.  I just don't know if opening fire from 25 feet is the #1 option here.  Like zimmerman, cop wasted a lot of resources and better options, and put himself into a mano-y-mano shootout with an unarmed person.  

[240 is Back]

You're right, you cant see it. You have never been there.

I would imagine you would be more focused on the threat, your gun, and your surroundings before you start worrying about the radio. Shooting is taught, and taught, and taught, pounded into your brain until it is muscle memory.... using a radio is not. He was likely very afraid, dazed and acting 100% instinctively.  

NO - he's a cop - CALLING IN BACKUP IS THE #1 OPTION.   particularly when the attacker is FLEEING.   They NEVER EVER teach you to do a one-man street chase like in the movies.  Especially when you're "injured" and about to black out.  YOU CALL IT IN.  

he didn't call it in.  He got out of car and sprinted, despite his injuries which had him saying he thought he was about to die.   Sprinting 50 yards is no small feat.  

I'm just saying cop is a bonehead for not calling it in.  They're in a crowded downtown area, and he's opening up 7 bullets while tired and injured, at 25 feet.  BAD idea all around.  backup would have arrived in a minute or two, and cops who don't feel like they're tired and inches from death could have taken down the bleeding, unarmed man.

TO ME, sounds like the cop wanted to save face and catch this bad guy himself.  He didn't call it in.  

[visualizeperfection]

NO - he's a cop - CALLING IN BACKUP IS THE #1 OPTION.   particularly when the attacker is FLEEING.   They NEVER EVER teach you to do a one-man street chase like in the movies.  Especially when you're "injured" and about to black out.  YOU CALL IT IN.  

he didn't call it in.  He got out of car and sprinted, despite his injuries which had him saying he thought he was about to die.   Sprinting 50 yards is no small feat.  

I'm just saying cop is a bonehead for not calling it in.  They're in a crowded downtown area, and he's opening up 7 bullets while tired and injured, at 25 feet.  BAD idea all around.  backup would have arrived in a minute or two, and cops who don't feel like they're tired and inches from death could have taken down the bleeding, unarmed man.

TO ME, sounds like the cop wanted to save face and catch this bad guy himself.  He didn't call it in.  

I believe he was being charged.


But only the cop, the dead brew, and jesus will ever really know.

[flipper5470]

This discussion about what Wilson should have done is incredibly stupid. In the course of doing his job, he got punched in the head by a 300lb violent criminal.  He pursued this violent criminal because...THAT'S HIS FUCKING JOB. He caught up to the violent criminal and ordered him to stop.  The violent criminal then decided to charge him.  Fearing for his safety, the officer used deadly force to bring to the matter to a close.  This isn't TV or the movies where cops shoot a gun out of someone's hand or shoot them in the legs..this is reality.  When a cop draws his weapon and decides to shoot he is doing so to kill.

And BTW dipshit...he did radio for backup.  He radioed for backup before pulling his vehicle in front of Brown and his buddy.  No need to radio in for more help

[240 is Back]

I believe he was being charged.
But only the cop, the dead brew, and jesus will ever really know.

Could be.  I'm not saying brown didn't charge.  I wasn't there.  I Just can't see how he gets shot straight on in the face AND in the top of dome, if he's charging.   IMO, it's more likely brown was advancing, cop shoots him, and he falls, and the cop gives that final parting shot, aimed at the top of his dome when he's already on the ground.   Which is highly illegal but natural in battles sometimes.  

Cop is tired, angry, face hurts, didn't call it in... finally shoots down the beast/demon, as he called brown... and after 5 bullet holes consistent with legal bad guy taken down, that magic hole on top of head appears. headshot finale/coup de grace, IMO.  Head down charging doesn't explain how brown is shot in cheek too.

[240 is Back]

And BTW dipshit...he did radio for backup.  He radioed for backup before pulling his vehicle in front of Brown and his buddy.  No need to radio in for more help

Yes, there was very much a need to call in "SHOTS FIRED" or "OFFICER ATTACKED".

Cop later inserted into his story "I DID call it in, but my radio must have malfunctioned". 

IMO, he reacted like a human - he was pissed and charged after the dude" - But if he's injured as he claimed, and it's already a gun battle, he should 100% call in the shooting.  He KNOWS it, as he inserted that detail into his story.

[visualizeperfection]

Could be.  I'm not saying brown didn't charge.  I wasn't there.  I Just can't see how he gets shot straight on in the face AND in the top of dome, if he's charging.   IMO, it's more likely brown was advancing, cop shoots him, and he falls, and the cop gives that final parting shot, aimed at the top of his dome when he's already on the ground.   Which is highly illegal but natural in battles sometimes.  

Cop is tired, angry, face hurts, didn't call it in... finally shoots down the beast/demon, as he called brown... and after 5 bullet holes consistent with legal bad guy taken down, that magic hole on top of head appears. headshot finale/coup de grace, IMO.  Head down charging doesn't explain how brown is shot in cheek too.

When you use the word angry it leads people to think you believe he murdered brown. Do you feel he executed him?

[WillGrant]

Hey, I agree if you punch a cop, you're on fair ground to get wasted.

BUT

If you punch a cop and you run 178 feet to get away - And the cop runs 153 feet and shoots you 25 feet away...

At what point does the shooing become a SECOND confrontation?

At some point, the cop was admittedly dazed, hurting, fearing for life.  Then he doesn't call in the attack/shoot - He jumps out of car and sprints 50 yards.  Then he has a second confrontation - one that a radio and backup in this crowded area would have better handled.  At the VERY least, he's a winded and wounded cop, fearing this demon/hulk, as he called him - do you want him launching 7 bullets at someone 25 feet away, with no regard for where those bullets go?  Lucky nobody else was struck.

Backup would have arrived fast.  You had a 6 foot 4 suspect and a trail of blood.  You can see him.  I just don't know if opening fire from 25 feet is the #1 option here.  Like zimmerman, cop wasted a lot of resources and better options, and put himself into a mano-y-mano shootout with an unarmed person.  

Hindsight is a wonderful thing - I agree, that does sound reckless in regards to firing in a situation like that and at the very least he should be cautioned , innocent bystanders
could of been hit but they were not (thankfully) - at the end of the day he is human , all cops are and they make mistakes.

It's easy to look back and say he should of done xyz instead - very easy to do this when analyzing the situation after the fact instead of being there as it's happening.

 

[240 is Back]

And BTW dipshit...he did radio for backup.  He radioed for backup before pulling his vehicle in front of Brown and his buddy.  No need to radio in for more help

FOXNEWS:
The newspaper said the radio dispatch recordings it obtained under Missouri's open records law show Wilson encountered Brown and another man at 12:02 p.m. "Put me on Canfield (Drive) with two. And send me another car," he tells the dispatcher. Before the encounter a dispatcher had put out a call for a "stealing in progress" at the Ferguson market with descriptions of the two suspects. The paper said that the description of one of the suspects in the Ferguson market theft match Brown's.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/15/mike-brown-shooting-radio-calls-reveal-less-than-0-second-encounter/

There's a HUGE difference between "send me another car" and "Officer injured, shots fired, send the calvary!"

He should have 10000% CALLED IN the shooting before running his injured ass into a gun battle against a hulk/demon.  He did not call in the shooting, he called in send another car.  The other car should have known he was running into a gun battle, and the location had changed drastically by then, along with circumstances.

Cop failed by not calling it in.  We should all be able to agree on that.

[gmflex]

Bunch of losers...


http://video.foxnews.com/v/3908307217001/looters-caught-vandalizing-businesses-in-ferguson-missouri/#sp=show-clips

[240 is Back]

When you use the word angry it leads people to think you believe he murdered brown. Do you feel he executed him?

I dont know.   I think it's odd that he had headshots from 2 different directions.

If I consider he had already abandoned protocol and ran into a mano-y-mano street gun battle instead of calling it in.
If I consider he took two punches and felt he was about to be killed by a 3rd punch.
If I consider he thought Brown was a Demon, and he was a hulk compared to the cop feeling like a 5 year old.
If I consider he had his bell rung, tired from running 153 feet, and STILL opened fire at 25 feet away in crowded street?

I think we can all agree the cop showed shitty judgment.  Then the bad guy ends up with a hole on TOP of head, and in front of head... If I had to bet $, I would bet he probably did issue that one last bullet once Brown was down.  

[flipper5470]

He reacted like a cop..he pursued a violent criminal. He caught the criminal. The criminal charged him...so he shot him.  He's supposed to just let a 300lb violent thug run free in the community?  Why would he do that?   What kind of horrible police work would that have been?