Ferguson - Rioting for Michael Brown - Discussion

[youandme]

That's a quote from Mcculloch;

go to 2:40 and the pathologist describes how two shots could have come from behind.

Did the prosecutor misunderstand the autopsy?  

Guess now we can bring in the ebonics translators and psychologists to describe the rampant lies and dishonesty of the so called 'witnesses' 

[240 is Back]

will we ever hear the radio dispatch call he made asking for backup?

No.   He realized he SHOULD have called it in.  So he added "I tried, but my radio (which worked perfectly well before the shooting, and when he called it in afterwards), failed on that one key moment where he could have alerted nearby backup to the situation.

Luckily, he was able to handle it solo.

[visualizeperfection]

No.   He realized he SHOULD have called it in.  So he added "I tried, but my radio (which worked perfectly well before the shooting, and when he called it in afterwards), failed on that one key moment where he could have alerted nearby backup to the situation.

Luckily, he was able to handle it solo.

Maybe during the time frame he was being manhandled and outfought by a much larger man, radio was damaged, the channel was changed, the mic was already keyed etc etc.

Maybe also he was too busy using both his hands defending himself to utilize his radio 


240, I love you as a poster, very smart... funny etc etc but youre as deluded as they come when it comes to matters like these... I almost feel you have tried to be a cop before, didnt make it, and now have a personal issue with them.

[240 is Back]

Maybe during the time frame he was being manhandled and outfought by a much larger man, radio was damaged, the channel was changed, the mic was already keyed etc etc.
Maybe also he was too busy using both his hands defending himself to utilize his radio 
240, I love you as a poster, very smart... funny etc etc but youre as deluded as they come when it comes to matters like these... I almost feel you have tried to be a cop before, didnt make it, and now have a personal issue with them.

Nah, never tried to be a cop, but have them in my family.  When a cop breaks that sacred trust, it makes my blood boil.  When zimmerman only lies about "some" of the details regarding shooting an unarmed person to death, my blood boils.

If you kill someone, there needs to be an agreement - if you like about ONE FCKING THING surrounding the shooting, your ass is going to prison.  None of this "well, he lied about 5 things, but I totally believe him as the only witness on these other 5 things..."

If this cop exaggerated injuries, hammed it up, lied about calling in the shooting - He claims he called it in, but radio must have malfunctioned.   He fired into brown, who ran.  Then he claims he called it in before exiting car to chase him.  That's a huge deal.  ZImmerman didn't' wait for backup either - and a bleeding 6 4 dude woudln't have been hard for cops (already almost there) to notice.   I have to wonder what details he missed, if the beating and radio call details are as inaccurate as he claimed.

[240 is Back]

Officer Darren Wilson's story is unbelievable. Literally.
Updated by Ezra Klein on November 25, 2014, 11:00 a.m. ET
http://www.vox.com/2014/11/25/7281165/darren-wilsons-story-side
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Let's take a breath and recap. Wilson sees two young black men walking in the middle of the street. He pulls over and politely asks them to use the sidewalk. They refuse. He asks again, still polite. Brown tells Wilson — again, a uniformed police officer in a police car — "fuck what you have to say." Wilson stops his car, tries to get out, and Brown slams the car door on him and then begins punching him through the open window.

What happens next is the most unbelievable moment in the narrative. And so it's probably best that I just quote Wilson's account at length on it.

I was doing the, just scrambling, trying to get his arms out of my face and him from grabbing me and everything else. He turned to his...if he's at my vehicle, he turned to his left and handed the first subject. He said, "here, take these." He was holding a pack of — several packs of cigarillos which was just, what was stolen from the Market Store was several packs of cigarillos. He said, "here, hold these" and when he did that I grabbed his right arm trying just to control something at that point. Um, as I was holding it, and he came around, he came around with his arm extended, fist made, and went like that straight at my face with his...a full swing from his left hand.


So Brown is punching inside the car. Wilson is scrambling to deflect the blows, to protect his face, to regain control of the situation. And then Brown stops, turns to his left, says to his friend, "Here, hold these," and hands him the cigarillos stolen from Ferguson Market. Then he turns back to Wilson and, with his left hand now freed from holding the contraband goods, throws a haymaker at Wilson.

Every bullshit detector in me went off when I read that passage. Which doesn't mean that it didn't happen exactly the way Wilson describes. But it is, again, hard to imagine. Brown, an 18-year-old kid holding stolen goods, decides to attack a cop and, while attacking him, stops, hands his stolen goods to his friend, and then returns to the beatdown. It reads less like something a human would do and more like a moment meant to connect Brown to the robbery.

[240 is Back]

There are inconsistencies in Wilson's story. He estimates that Brown ran 20-30 feet away from the car and then charged another 10 feet back towards Wilson. But we know Brown died 150 feet away from the car.

He lost 120 to 130 FEET of distance in there somewhere.   He believes he hopped out of the car and had it out.  SOMEHOW he traveled an additional 120+ feet that he, the trained officer, didn't remember?

He's either lying, or he had his bell rung so hard that his judgment and memory are totally fcked.   Either way, yikes. 

[Schnauzer]

There are inconsistencies in Wilson's story. He estimates that Brown ran 20-30 feet away from the car and then charged another 10 feet back towards Wilson. But we know Brown died 150 feet away from the car.

He lost 120 to 130 FEET of distance in there somewhere.   He believes he hopped out of the car and had it out.  SOMEHOW he traveled an additional 120+ feet that he, the trained officer, didn't remember?

He's either lying, or he had his bell rung so hard that his judgment and memory are totally fcked.   Either way, yikes.  

It's too bad the grand jury did not hear testimony from 240 is Back. Despite the 60 witnesses, 70 hours of testimony, two autopsies, forensic evidence, and physical evidence the grand jury just couldn't figure out the truth . 240 has it all figured out, and while he was there he could clear up the whole Trayvon/Zimmerman thing.

[Archer77]

It's too bad the grand jury did not hear testimony from 240 is Back. Despite the 60 witnesses, 70 hours of testimony, two autopsies, forensic evidence, and physical evidence the grand jury just couldn't figure out the truth . 240 has it all figured out, and while he was there he could clear up the whole Trayvon/Zimmerman thing.

240, Ezra Klein and Mr. Turbo know more about the case than the grand jury.  With that kind of brain power you can't go wrong.

[visualizeperfection]

People keep using the angle "18 year old kid"


They are trying to portray this :





In reality :







Complete and total bullshit.







240, do you think that Officer Wilson murdered that poor black "kid" in cold blood, an act requiring imprisonment?


Also, do you feel that Police Officers are a special breed of super hero, that should be immune to intense terror, fear, being physically overpowered?

Do you feel Police Officers should always double think every on the fly decision (even though thinking twice could mean you get blasted), be so afraid to do what they think is right for fear of being sent to prison....


And lastly, just a matter of opinion; but do you think had Mike Brown not been euthenized, he would of "grown up" to be a functioning member of society?



 

[Schnauzer]

People keep using the angle "18 year old kid"


They are trying to portray this :





In reality :







Complete and total bullshit.







240, do you think that Officer Wilson murdered that poor black "kid" in cold blood, an act requiring imprisonment?


Also, do you feel that Police Officers are a special breed of super hero, that should be immune to intense terror, fear, being physically overpowered?

Do you feel Police Officers should always double think every on the fly decision (even though thinking twice could mean you get blasted), be so afraid to do what they think is right for fear of being sent to prison....


And lastly, just a matter of opinion; but do you think had Mike Brown not been euthenized, he would of "grown up" to be a functioning member of society?



 

Reminds me of Trayvon

People magazine cover:



Reality:
   

[240 is Back]

See, I can tell I've found a valid point that you don't want to address - when you suddenly stop debating and start shitting on me.

Tell us = which is it?  The cop loses 120 feet.   Was he lying, or so disorientated that he cannot tell 173 feet (where the blood started) from 20 to 30 feet, as he estimated.  

Cause that's a LOT of ground to cover.  He doesnt' want us to think he was strong/capable enough to fly solo and run half a football field to catch a wounded bad guy.  He wants us to think he limped out of a beatdown to continue the same confrontation.

Why?  

Cause if you look at them as 2 separate incidents - and a foot chase of 50 yards in the middle does make it exactly that - then the initial beatdown doesn't have a bearing on the second confrontation.   At 173 feet away, Brown was a suspect in a foot chse, not a punk ass attacking a cop in his car.   Suddenly the rules for Wilson are way different.  No castle doctrine, no pinned by steering wheel.  He's a well trained officer with all his resources and training and support, capable because he just sprinted 150 feet.

Suddenly his claim of "I shot a dude running at me" is a LOT weaker.  He HAS to connect it to the car fiasco to look helpless - but when Brown is standing 173 feet away from the cop car, he's no longer an a-hole attacking a cop pinned in car.

SO yeah, I think cop is lying about the distance because it makes it 2 very separate incidents.  I can't shoot a home invader 173 feet from my house lol.   And a cop can't just execute someone (when he has other means at his disposal) for running at him.  Sorry, but now I see why the cop is minimizing the distance by 400% lol.

[Archer77]

See, I can tell I've found a valid point that you don't want to address - when you suddenly stop debating and start shitting on me.

Or you've said so many ridiculous things no one takes you seriously anymore because your trolling.

[240 is Back]

"
240, do you think that Officer Wilson murdered that poor black "kid" in cold blood, an act requiring imprisonment?"

I feel Wilson used deadly force because a grown man was running at him, and he was scared.

He didn't shoot him because he was pinned in a car.  No, that confrontation ended and approx 60 seconds later, they met up again, once Wilson recovered from an assault and caught an unarmed, wounded fleeing assailant.


AT THIS POINT, it's a brand new confrontation.  Doesn't matter if brown was raping baby seals, punching cops, or feeding the poor 60 seconds later - he FLED and was no longer a dude punching inside a car window.  WILSON shot him because he was scared.  And he was probably a little mad too.   Face probably hurt like crazy, irritated he had to chase down this idiot.  But to shoot someone for running at you?  They're trained VERY well to react quickly, and with 173 feet to run, he had PLENTY of time to regain bearings and prep the tazer or whatever means.  

99% of the time, a suspect runs at a cop, the cop doesn't shoot him.  Why in this case?

[240 is Back]

Or you've said so many ridiculous things no one takes you seriously anymore because your trolling.

attack the messenger, not the message, we get it.

Officer wilson is minimizing the 120 "missing" feet because it makes him look like a man that fired a gun because he was scared.  Not because he feared for his life, trapped in a vehicle.

2 separate incidents, and everyone sees it. He had the ability to run 150 feet after Brown - he had plenty of times to whip out the tazer and blast on the bad guy.  He was already in GUN/KILL mode, and even with all that time/distance, he didn't move from that mode.

He STAYED in SHOOT mode as he exited car.  Now brown is wounded and winded, his fat ass limping away.  Tazer woudl have worked fine.  But NO, wilson was in SHOOT mode and stayed there, even as his mobility returned to 100% and Brown was leaking blood, weaker by the second.

[Pray_4_War]

Reminds me of Trayvon

People magazine cover:



Reality:
   

Goddammit that is infuriating.  Why not use a baby picture?  Lies upon lies upon lies.

[The True Adonis]

Or you've said so many ridiculous things no one takes you seriously anymore because your trolling.

At some point it just becomes pointless because they are immune to evidence and facts and want to believe in ridiculous conspiracy theories or far fetched alternate explanations not founded in any facts or evidence.

 

[visualizeperfection]

"
240, do you think that Officer Wilson murdered that poor black "kid" in cold blood, an act requiring imprisonment?"

I feel Wilson used deadly force because a grown man was running at him, and he was scared.

He didn't shoot him because he was pinned in a car.  No, that confrontation ended and approx 60 seconds later, they met up again, once Wilson recovered from an assault and caught an unarmed, wounded fleeing assailant.


AT THIS POINT, it's a brand new confrontation.  Doesn't matter if brown was raping baby seals, punching cops, or feeding the poor 60 seconds later - he FLED and was no longer a dude punching inside a car window.  WILSON shot him because he was scared.  And he was probably a little mad too.   Face probably hurt like crazy, irritated he had to chase down this idiot.  But to shoot someone for running at you?  They're trained VERY well to react quickly, and with 173 feet to run, he had PLENTY of time to regain bearings and prep the tazer or whatever means.  

99% of the time, a suspect runs at a cop, the cop doesn't shoot him.  Why in this case?

So what happens when you lose a fight with a gun on your hip? You become unconscious, unable to defend yourself. Your gun becomes their gun, your soul becomes their property. That is a no brainer, friend.

He was physically outmatched, would of gotten fucked up and disarmed.... so instead, regardless if his radio malfunctioned, he forgot to use it etc etc.... does not really matter. He was going to be reengaged, he was in fear of his life, so he son Mike "kid" Brown to Allah.

[Schnauzer]

Wilson testified before the grand jury, according to transcripts released Monday night, that before he fired, the teenager slammed the door of his police cruiser on him, prompting him to draw his gun. "I said, 'Get back or I'm going to shoot you,' " Wilson testified.” He immediately grabs my gun and says, 'You are too much of a pu--y to shoot me.'"

[240 is Back]

So what happens when you lose a fight with a gun on your hip? You become unconscious, unable to defend yourself. Your gun becomes their gun, your soul becomes their property. That is a no brainer, friend.

He was physically outmatched, would of gotten fucked up and disarmed.... so instead, regardless if his radio malfunctioned, he forgot to use it etc etc.... does not really matter. He was going to be reengaged, he was in fear of his life, so he son Mike "kid" Brown to Allah.

WE AGREE- He was going to be re-engaged.  This time, however, the fatass Brown, bleeding for over a minute, was 30 feet away, not grabbing the gun, etc.  


I feel the first half of the shoot was 1000% legal, I'd have done everything the same way.   The SECOND part - where Brown was a fleeing, injured attacker, and Wilson was a well-trained, experienced cop at 6 foot 4 and very well prepared with both deadly, and non-legal means... NO, he didn't handle that right.

He had plenty of time to take down charging wounded Brown with a tazer.  He didn't want to fight, he didn't want to pepper spray, he just wanted to kill the motherfcker that he already winged, who had that shit coming.   It's fine in a cowboy/justice kinda world... but in real life, do we want all cops to be shooting all people that charge them?  Cause when our 16 year old kid loses his mind after someone spikes his drink at prom, do I really want officer wilson putting 8 bullets in him?  Or rather, take him down with other means, and figure it out?

When Wilson went on the chase, he had one thought in mind - shoot this wounded dude.   And he did.  The shit at the car was a separate crime, one that Brown should see life in prison for.

[240 is Back]

Wilson testified before the grand jury, according to transcripts released Monday night, that before he fired, the teenager slammed the door of his police cruiser on him, prompting him to draw his gun. "I said, 'Get back or I'm going to shoot you,' " Wilson testified.” He immediately grabs my gun and says, 'You are too much of a pu--y to shoot me.'"

This quote was from an earlier confrontation.  The one where Wilson shot him was a minute later, 150 to 173 feet away.    it was after a police foot pursuit.  It was between a competent police man, and a wounded unarmed man.  Not sure the gun should have been first choice. 

I see why the cop tried to lie about that missing 120 feet.  Well, either lie, or he was so disoriented he could mistake half a football field for the length of 2 station wagons. 

[visualizeperfection]

WE AGREE- He was going to be re-engaged.  This time, however, the fatass Brown, bleeding for over a minute, was 30 feet away, not grabbing the gun, etc.  


I feel the first half of the shoot was 1000% legal, I'd have done everything the same way.   The SECOND part - where Brown was a fleeing, injured attacker, and Wilson was a well-trained, experienced cop at 6 foot 4 and very well prepared with both deadly, and non-legal means... NO, he didn't handle that right.

He had plenty of time to take down charging wounded Brown with a tazer.  He didn't want to fight, he didn't want to pepper spray, he just wanted to kill the motherfcker that he already winged, who had that shit coming.   It's fine in a cowboy/justice kinda world... but in real life, do we want all cops to be shooting all people that charge them?  Cause when our 16 year old kid loses his mind after someone spikes his drink at prom, do I really want officer wilson putting 8 bullets in him?  Or rather, take him down with other means, and figure it out?

When Wilson went on the chase, he had one thought in mind - shoot this wounded dude.   And he did.  The shit at the car was a separate crime, one that Brown should see life in prison for.

Do we know Wilson even had a taser? Do we know that the taser was going to be deployed 100% accurately, disable Brown for five seconds(then what, btw?) Or was their a great chance the taser probes would miss Brown, or only one would connect (you need both).

Essentially was holstering his weapon, pulling his taser, effectively losing the advantage of sudden lethal force, was all that required? Further, was this police officer's life worth that gamble?


I feel that Wilson was in fear for his life, and it was warranted... especially if Brown got into arms reach of him again.


Dont even mention pepper spray, total joke.

[240 is Back]

Do we know Wilson even had a taser? Do we know that the taser was going to be deployed 100% accurately, disable Brown for five seconds(then what, btw?) Or was their a great chance the taser probes would miss Brown, or only one would connect (you need both).

Essentially was holstering his weapon, pulling his taser, effectively losing the advantage of sudden lethal force, was all that required? Further, was this police officer's life worth that gamble?
I feel that Wilson was in fear for his life, and it was warranted... especially if Brown got into arms reach of him again.
Dont even mention pepper spray, total joke.

Cool - I will even accept everything you said, very reasonable.   

Why do you think Brown minimzed the 173 feet that Brown had traveled, to "20 to 30 feet" in his retelling?

1) Dazed and confused
2) Doesn't want to admit it was a long chase
3) Doesn't understand distance
4) Trying to keep focus on the car struggle, not the 2nd confrontation

Which do you think it is?  Because that's a HUGE discrepancy right there.   

[240 is Back]

See, if Brown got his brains blasted out, 3 feet from the car, it's a 100% fine shoot.

If Wilson blasts on Brown 3 miles from the car struggle, we have to ask why deadly means to an unarmed man instantly - is there a weight limit for a 6'4" cop to go for the gun and not other means?

So somewhere in between, there is a cutoff, when you are no longer covered under "I was scared, he punched me, he had my gun".   IMO, at 173 feet, you can't blame the car anymore.  I can't wing a guy in my house, a home invader, then chase him down the street 6 houses and finish him, and blame him being in my home anymore. 

I'd just like everyone to stop talking about the car confrontation, and talk about the 2nd shooting, 50 yards and over a minute later. 

[flipper5470]

WE AGREE- He was going to be re-engaged.  This time, however, the fatass Brown, bleeding for over a minute, was 30 feet away, not grabbing the gun, etc.  


I feel the first half of the shoot was 1000% legal, I'd have done everything the same way.   The SECOND part - where Brown was a fleeing, injured attacker, and Wilson was a well-trained, experienced cop at 6 foot 4 and very well prepared with both deadly, and non-legal means... NO, he didn't handle that right.

He had plenty of time to take down charging wounded Brown with a tazer.  He didn't want to fight, he didn't want to pepper spray, he just wanted to kill the motherfcker that he already winged, who had that shit coming.   It's fine in a cowboy/justice kinda world... but in real life, do we want all cops to be shooting all people that charge them?  Cause when our 16 year old kid loses his mind after someone spikes his drink at prom, do I really want officer wilson putting 8 bullets in him?  Or rather, take him down with other means, and figure it out?

When Wilson went on the chase, he had one thought in mind - shoot this wounded dude.   And he did.  The shit at the car was a separate crime, one that Brown should see life in prison for.

You are so fucking stupid..it's almost painful to read the nonsense you post.  You barely have a mind of your own and you think you can read the minds of others.  Classic....

[240 is Back]

You are so fucking stupid..it's almost painful to read the nonsense you post.  You barely have a mind of your own and you think you can read the minds of others.  Classic....

Wilson changed 150 feet to 20-30 feet.  Why do you think he did that?