Ferguson 'victim' has rap sheet, robbed store same morning

[blacken700]

lol

[Dos Equis]

13 Facts About Ferguson the Media Will Never Tell You
Tuesday, 25 Nov 2014
By Jim Meyers

According to protesters who erupted in violence after a grand jury declined to indict Officer Darren Wilson in the shooting death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., this was the case of a white policeman shooting an unarmed black teenager with his hands in the air in a community plagued by racial tension.

That's an account promoted by many in the mainstream media as well. But here are several facts about the case that are harder to find:

1. Surveillance video showed that shortly before the confrontation, 18-year-old Brown stole cigarillos from a convenience store and shoved a clerk who tried to stop him.

2. The autopsy report showed that Brown had marijuana in his system when he died.

3. Officer Wilson, driving to the call of a medical emergency, first encountered Brown walking in the middle of a street and told Brown and his friend to walk on the sidewalk. Brown responded with an expletive.

4. Wilson chose to confront Brown only after he saw the cigarillos in his hand and recalled the radio report of a robbery at the convenience store.

5. Wilson said when he tried to open his car door, Brown slammed it back shut, then punched Wilson in the face.

6. Fearing another punch could knock him out, Wilson drew his gun, he told the grand jury, and Brown grabbed the gun, saying "you are too much of a pussy to shoot me."

7. An African-American witness confirmed that Brown and Wilson appeared to be "arm-wrestling" by the car.

8. Another witness saw Brown leaning through the car's window and said "some sort of confrontation was taking place."

9. After Wilson fired a shot that struck Brown's hand, Brown fled and Wilson gave chase. Brown suddenly stopped. An unidentified witness told the grand jury that 6-foot-4, 292-pound Brown charged at Wilson with his head down. Wilson said Brown put his hand under the waistband of his pants as he continued toward Wilson. That's when Wilson fired.

10. A witness testified that Brown never raised his hands.

11. Gunpowder found on the wound on Brown's hand indicated his hand was close to the gun when it fired. According to a report, the hand wound showed foreign matter "consistent with products that are discharged from the barrel of a firearm."

12. Judy Melinek, a forensic pathologist who reviewed the autopsy for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, said the gunpowder "supports the fact that this guy is reaching for the gun, if he has particulate matter in the wound."

13. Wilson said Brown was physically uncontrollable and "for lack of a better word, crazy." He said that during the confrontation, he was thinking: "He's gonna kill me. How do I survive?" Legal experts say police officers typically have wide latitude to use deadly force when they feel their safety is threatened.

http://www.Newsmax.com/Newsfront/ferguson-shooting-13-facts/2014/11/25/id/609483/#ixzz3KD4u8hgu

[Dos Equis]

This is a waste of time and resources.  I haven't seen any evidence that the officer shot this kid because of his race. 

Holder: Civil rights charges still possible
By Justin Sink
November 24, 2014

The federal government’s investigation into the shooting death of Michael Brown “remains ongoing,” Attorney General Eric Holder said Monday after a grand jury decided against indicting the officer who shot and killed the Ferguson teenager.

Calling Brown’s death “a tragedy,” Holder said his department is still examining the possibility of bringing civil rights charges against Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson.

“Though we have shared information with local prosecutors during the course of our investigation, the federal inquiry has been independent of the local one from the start, and remains so now,” Holder said.

Holder said the Justice Department was also continuing to invest allegations of unconstitutional policing patterns and practices by the Ferguson Police Department.

“This incident has sparked a national conversation about the need to ensure confidence between law enforcement and the communities they protect and serve,” Holder said. “While constructive efforts are underway in Ferguson and communities nationwide, far more must be done to create enduring trust.”
Holder, who has served as the Obama administration’s point person for examining the case — which has become a flashpoint for frustration over police treatment of minorities — also echoed President Obama’s call for peace in the aftermath of the decision.

“Though there will be disagreement with the grand jury's decision not to indict, this feeling should not lead to violence,” Holder said.

The attorney general said it did not honor Michael Brown’s memory “to engage in violence or looting.”

“In the coming days, it will likewise be important for local law enforcement authorities to respect the rights of demonstrators, and deescalate tensions by avoiding excessive displays — and uses — of force,” he said.

To that point, Holder pledged the Justice Department would continue to work with civil rights, faith, and community leaders to improve relationships with law enforcement — a charge Obama also mentioned in his brief remarks following the grand jury’s decision.

“I’ve instructed Attorney General Holder to work with cities across the country to help build better relations between communities and law enforcement,” Obama said. “That means working with law enforcement officials to make sure their ranks are representative of the communities they serve.”

Holder’s involvement in the case has included coordinating directly with Brown’s family, and briefing them on the federal civil rights investigation. In August, he traveled to the town to receive an on-the-ground briefing and meet with local officials.

The Justice Department has also offered technical assistance to police in Ferguson to help conduct crowd control without extreme use of force. And Holder’s team has attempted to bring law enforcement and civic leaders together to preempt violence.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/225265-holder-civil-rights-charges-still-possible

[jjbones]

This whole situation kills me ... the left wanted an unarmed child, surrendering himself maliciously gunned down that they make up facts.  The truth as established in court says no Brown wasn't shot for felony strong arm robbery but was shot after committing felony capital attempted murder and assault of a peace officer.  The cigars had nothing to do with it,  The second Brown went for the gun, his life was over.  Minimum he was looking at 30-50 years in the pen and of course should have been and was killed.  The left is full of shit, as usual.

[240 is Back]

13 Facts About Ferguson the Media Will Never Tell You

1. Surveillance video showed that shortly before the confrontation, 18-year-old Brown stole cigarillos from a convenience store and shoved a clerk who tried to stop him.

LOL @ in what world hasn't "the media" shown this video about 10,000 times?   LOL

[George Whorewell]

Moral of the story= Assaulting and attempting to disarm a police officer isn't the wisest thing to do.

Case closed.

Throw the rioters a few bananas and send the National Guard in.

[TheGrinch]

why wont they just declare marshal law and send everyone home???


they can do this for a huge city like Boston hunting for one skinny dude but cant for small riots??

[jjbones]

why wont they just declare marshal law and send everyone home???


they can do this for a huge city like Boston hunting for one skinny dude but cant for small riots??

Of course not ... the left still hold firm to the gentle giant theory and this kid did nothing more than shoplift a few cigars.  To "militarize" the police is out of the question according to Obama because the police were wrong in the first place.

[Garbage Man]

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[Archer77]

why wont they just declare marshal law and send everyone home???


they can do this for a huge city like Boston hunting for one skinny dude but cant for small riots??

Obama and Holder met with Ferguson authorities to ensure the police backed down.  Obama and Holder both mentioned this in recent speeches. 

[Archer77]

On a related note, the NYT is trying to push the narrative by referring to Zimmerman as white.  Even when the man considering himself Hispanic. He also has black ancestry so according to the one drop rule advocates on getbig hes actually black.  He's gone from a white Hispanic to white.  The only place for him to go next is albino.  If there are still naive dolts on getbig that can't  recognize an agenda is being pushed your absolutely delusional.  It's all a farce.



… For a person of color, she said, it is difficult not to view the Ferguson shooting as part of a continuum: the 2012 shooting of Trayvon Martin, an African-American man, by a white Florida man who was later acquitted of murder; the 2009 fatal shooting of an Oakland black man by a white transit officer who was found guilty of manslaughter instead of murder.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/26/us/after-ferguson-announcement-a-racial-divide-remains-over-views-of-justice.html?_r=1

[Slapper]

What's really odd about the whole Ferguson situation is that many are using it as a clear example of police brutality and racism when it all points out to the fact that Brown was an absolute shithead who deserved to get shot.

What's even more odd is that there are an infinite number of cases in which the police REALLY fucked up and no one is saying anything about them. At least they have not raised the same level of public disgrace as Ferguson.

Another fact that may explain the real reason behind Ferguson: It used to be a sundown town up until the late 70s/early 80s. Meaning no blacks allowed in town after dark.

[Soul Crusher]

Even if you agree with the verdict in the George Zimmerman trial, it’s easy to feel some sympathy for Trayvon Martin. Here was a 17 year old kid who wasn’t doing anything wrong, who was being followed. It’s easy to see how that could freak him out. Unfortunately, that led to his making a bad decision. He attacked an armed man, fought well enough that he put Zimmerman in fear of his life and then got shot for it. It was a tragic case not only for Martin, who died, but for Zimmerman whose life seems to have been ruined by that day.

Although it’s sad to see anyone lose his life, Michael Brown isn’t nearly as sympathetic of a victim. He robbed a convenience store, assaulted a police officer, ignored his order to stop and then ran at the cop when he had a gun on him. What do you say about someone who gets shot under those circumstances other than he brought it on himself?

There are lessons we can learn from how these cases panned out and they’re not the ones liberals always seem to be pushing in these situations (If someone who isn’t Christian or conservative is offended, he must be right! We need another government program! Even though we have a black President, racism is everywhere in America!)

1) The initial story you hear is probably a lie: If Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton show up somewhere claiming that a wonderful black kid who was going to college was shot for no reason and nobody is doing anything about it because of racism, you can safely assume you’re being taken for a ride. The police do make mistakes. The Akai Gurley case is a great example of that. There are also bad cops out there. The cops who tortured Abner Louima in New York City fit that description. But, it's better to let a court sort through the details under oath to get the facts rather than relying on rumors and people who see dollar signs in their eyes every time someone yells "racism."

2) The Left has zero interest in discussing why black Americans are really more likely to be shot by police officers: The numbers can vary depending on whose statistics you’re looking at, but using the best estimate available, black Americans seem to be 3 times more likely to die at the hands of the police than white Americans. Could there be a possible explanation for this that goes beyond racism? Actually, yes.

Today blacks are about 13 percent of the population and continue to be responsible for an inordinate amount of crime. Between 1976 and 2005 blacks committed more than half of all murders in the United States. The black arrest rate for most offenses — including robbery, aggravated assault and property crimes — is still typically two to three times their representation in the population. Blacks as a group are also overrepresented among persons arrested for so-called white-collar crimes such as counterfeiting, fraud and embezzlement.

Percentage-wise, black Americans are much more likely to commit crimes and so, it’s not a surprise that they’re more likely to end up in potentially dangerous conflicts with police officers. Encouraging black Americans to be hostile to police officers, which is sadly all too common, only exacerbates the problem by making cops more suspicious and by making black Americans more likely to do potentially dangerous things around the police. The vast majority of black Americans are decent, law-abiding people and it’s sad that some of them are afraid of the police. That’s an issue that police departments should do much more to address, but unless they’re met halfway by community leaders who are willing to work with the cops, any effort is doomed to fail.

3) It’s time for cops to start wearing body cameras: If Darren Wilson had been wearing a body camera, the bogus “hands up, don’t shoot” meme would have never gotten any traction. Not only would body cameras help eradicate fears of abuse from officers, it would protect cops from the sort of false charges we saw in the Michael Brown case. Body cameras wouldn’t be a panacea, but they would probably make life better for both the cops and the people they’re policing.

4) You better arm yourself because you can’t count on the police to protect you: It was widely speculated that there would be riots in Ferguson if the Grand Jury didn’t indict Darren Wilson. Yet, the governor of Missouri refused to deploy the National Guard in Ferguson on the first night. Without the help of the National Guard, the police weren’t able to contain the mayhem and there was rioting, looting, assaults and arson. Even though the state of Missouri officials knew it was coming, even though they could have prevented it – they didn’t. Take that lesson to heart, get your own gun and learn how to use it so if trouble comes knocking on your doorstep, you won’t be waiting for help from the state that never comes.

5) The mainstream media is more interested in promoting the idea that America is a racist country than the truth: The mainstream media helped create the angst over Trayvon Martin and the riots in Ferguson. NBC falsely claimed George Zimmerman used a racial slur and edited his call to the police to make him sound bad while the whole media used an old picture of Trayvon Martin that made people think he was 12. On the eve of the Grand Jury verdict in the Michael Brown case, the New York Times published THE STREET Darren Wilson lives on with his new wife. Beyond those egregious offenses, the mainstream media helped create many of the initial myths about both cases, was slow to correct the facts and habitually slanted its news coverage to portray Zimmerman and Wilson as guilty, even when it didn’t fit the facts. Everyone knows the mainstream media is biased, but when its coverage plays a role in getting people’s businesses burned to the ground, it has gone too far.

6) Most people on the “Left” care more about the narrative than the truth: One of the most amazing things about both the Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown caseswas how many people didn’t change their minds one bit about what happened even after the initial stories in both cases proved to be false. Instead, many people cared more about the narrative, “White people in general and white cops in particular are shooting black people for no reason,” than what really happened. It was as if Zimmerman and Wilson had to go to jail not because they did anything wrong, but because to proclaim them innocent was a slam against black Americans.

7) “Black Leaders” are looking to ratchet up the tension, not ease it: It’s extremely ironic that most of the businesses that burned in Ferguson were minority-owned because black leaders like Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, the New Black Panthers and, yes, Eric Holder and Barack Obama helped make it happen. Yes, they gave bloodless, CYA condemnations of violence, and then went back to hyping people up instead of calming them down. See, when people get mad, they give donations. Peace doesn’t make money. Peace doesn’t get your name in the newspaper. Peace doesn’t get anyone on TV.

[Soul Crusher]

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Barack Obama will discuss the situation in Ferguson, Missouri, with his Cabinet, civil rights leaders, law enforcement officials and others Monday.

The White House says Obama's Cabinet meeting will focus on his administration's review of federal programs that provide military-style equipment to law enforcement agencies.



 
The president will also meet with young civil rights leaders to discuss the challenges posed by "mistrust between law enforcement and communities of color." He'll then meet with government and law enforcement officials, as well as other community leaders, to discuss how to strengthen neighborhoods.

Protests have continued in Ferguson, but have been more muted than the violence sparked last week by a grand jury's decision not to indict a police officer in the shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown.



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[Archer77]

What's really odd about the whole Ferguson situation is that many are using it as a clear example of police brutality and racism when it all points out to the fact that Brown was an absolute shithead who deserved to get shot.

What's even more odd is that there are an infinite number of cases in which the police REALLY fucked up and no one is saying anything about them. At least they have not raised the same level of public disgrace as Ferguson.

Another fact that may explain the real reason behind Ferguson: It used to be a sundown town up until the late 70s/early 80s. Meaning no blacks allowed in town after dark.

It doesn't have to BE right, it has to FEEL right.

[Dos Equis]

What's really odd about the whole Ferguson situation is that many are using it as a clear example of police brutality and racism when it all points out to the fact that Brown was an absolute shithead who deserved to get shot.

What's even more odd is that there are an infinite number of cases in which the police REALLY fucked up and no one is saying anything about them. At least they have not raised the same level of public disgrace as Ferguson.

Another fact that may explain the real reason behind Ferguson: It used to be a sundown town up until the late 70s/early 80s. Meaning no blacks allowed in town after dark.

Good points.  People don't care about the facts. 

[Dos Equis]

Again, who cares about the facts?   

St. Louis police group demands punishment for Rams players in Ferguson protest
Published December 01, 2014
FoxNews.com


November 30, 2014: Members of the St. Louis Rams raise their arms in awareness of the events in Ferguson, Mo., as they walk onto the field during introductions before an NFL football game against the Oakland Raiders. (AP Photo/L.G. Patterson)

A St. Louis police officers' group called on the NFL to punish five Rams players who stood with their hands raised before trotting onto the field for pregame introductions Sunday.

The St. Louis Police Officers' Association said it was "profoundly disappointed" with what it called a "display that police officers around the nation found tasteless, offensive and inflammatory." It called for the players involved to be disciplined and for both the league and team to issue a "very public apology."

The so-called "hands up, don't shoot" gesture has been commonly used by demonstrators protesting the decision of a St. Louis County grand jury to not indict Officer Darren Wilson in the August 9 shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown in suburban Ferguson. Some witnesses said Brown, who was black, had his hands up before being fatally shot by Wilson, who is white.

Prior to kickoff of their game against the Oakland Raiders, Rams wide receivers Tavon Austin and Kenny Britt came out together and raised their hands, but the move was obscured by a smoke machine in the upper reaches of the Edward Jones Dome. Jared Cook, Stedman Bailey and Chris Givens then came out and stood together with hands raised in the fog.

"I just think there has to be a change," Cook said after the Rams' 52-0 win. "There has to be a change that starts with the people that are most influential around the world.

"No matter what happened on that day, no matter how the whole situation went down, there has to be a change."

Coach Jeff Fisher said he'd not been aware the gesture had been planned by the players, all of them black.

Cook said players have been too busy to go to Ferguson, plus "it's kind of dangerous down there and none of us want to get caught up in anything."

"It takes some guts, it takes some heart, so I admire the people around the world that have been doing it," he added.

SLPOA Business Manager Jeff Roorda was quoted in a statement released by the organization as saying " All week long, the Rams and the NFL were on the phone with the St. Louis Police Department asking for assurances that the players and the fans would be kept safe from the violent protesters who had rioted, looted, and burned buildings in Ferguson ... then, as the players and their fans sit safely in their dome under the watchful protection of hundreds of St. Louis's finest, they take to the turf to call a now-exonerated officer a murderer, that is way out-of-bounds, to put it in football parlance."

Across the street from the stadium, about 75 protesters gathered in the second half as about 30 police wearing riot gear watched from a distance. Protesters chanted "Hands up, don't shoot!" ''No justice, no football!" ''This is what democracy looks like," and "We're here for Mike Brown."

James Weaver of St. Louis was among the protesters outside the stadium and argued with two fans leaving. They were separated by police.

"People don't understand what this is about," Weaver said. "This is about a young man lying on the street for four hours. People are mad."

Weaver added that police are "clicking their boots like the Gestapo."

The Rams had additional security measures in place for the game, including armed personnel from the National Guard. The team has wanded fans outside entrances all season.

Roorda also played down the notion that the players were exercising their right to free speech, saying ""I know that there are those that will say that these players are simply exercising their First Amendment rights. Well I've got news for people who think that way, cops have first amendment rights too, and we plan to exercise ours.

"I'd remind the NFL and their players that it is not the violent thugs burning down buildings that buy their advertiser's products," Roorda added. "It's cops and the good people of St. Louis and other NFL towns that do. Somebody needs to throw a flag on this play. If it's not the NFL and the Rams, then it'll be cops and their supporters."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/01/st-louis-police-group-demands-punishment-for-rams-players-in-ferguson-protest/

[Agnostic007]

Again, who cares about the facts?   

St. Louis police group demands punishment for Rams players in Ferguson protest
Published December 01, 2014
FoxNews.com


November 30, 2014: Members of the St. Louis Rams raise their arms in awareness of the events in Ferguson, Mo., as they walk onto the field during introductions before an NFL football game against the Oakland Raiders. (AP Photo/L.G. Patterson)

A St. Louis police officers' group called on the NFL to punish five Rams players who stood with their hands raised before trotting onto the field for pregame introductions Sunday.

The St. Louis Police Officers' Association said it was "profoundly disappointed" with what it called a "display that police officers around the nation found tasteless, offensive and inflammatory." It called for the players involved to be disciplined and for both the league and team to issue a "very public apology."

The so-called "hands up, don't shoot" gesture has been commonly used by demonstrators protesting the decision of a St. Louis County grand jury to not indict Officer Darren Wilson in the August 9 shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown in suburban Ferguson. Some witnesses said Brown, who was black, had his hands up before being fatally shot by Wilson, who is white.

Prior to kickoff of their game against the Oakland Raiders, Rams wide receivers Tavon Austin and Kenny Britt came out together and raised their hands, but the move was obscured by a smoke machine in the upper reaches of the Edward Jones Dome. Jared Cook, Stedman Bailey and Chris Givens then came out and stood together with hands raised in the fog.

"I just think there has to be a change," Cook said after the Rams' 52-0 win. "There has to be a change that starts with the people that are most influential around the world.

"No matter what happened on that day, no matter how the whole situation went down, there has to be a change."

Coach Jeff Fisher said he'd not been aware the gesture had been planned by the players, all of them black.

Cook said players have been too busy to go to Ferguson, plus "it's kind of dangerous down there and none of us want to get caught up in anything."

"It takes some guts, it takes some heart, so I admire the people around the world that have been doing it," he added.

SLPOA Business Manager Jeff Roorda was quoted in a statement released by the organization as saying " All week long, the Rams and the NFL were on the phone with the St. Louis Police Department asking for assurances that the players and the fans would be kept safe from the violent protesters who had rioted, looted, and burned buildings in Ferguson ... then, as the players and their fans sit safely in their dome under the watchful protection of hundreds of St. Louis's finest, they take to the turf to call a now-exonerated officer a murderer, that is way out-of-bounds, to put it in football parlance."

Across the street from the stadium, about 75 protesters gathered in the second half as about 30 police wearing riot gear watched from a distance. Protesters chanted "Hands up, don't shoot!" ''No justice, no football!" ''This is what democracy looks like," and "We're here for Mike Brown."

James Weaver of St. Louis was among the protesters outside the stadium and argued with two fans leaving. They were separated by police.

"People don't understand what this is about," Weaver said. "This is about a young man lying on the street for four hours. People are mad."

Weaver added that police are "clicking their boots like the Gestapo."

The Rams had additional security measures in place for the game, including armed personnel from the National Guard. The team has wanded fans outside entrances all season.

Roorda also played down the notion that the players were exercising their right to free speech, saying ""I know that there are those that will say that these players are simply exercising their First Amendment rights. Well I've got news for people who think that way, cops have first amendment rights too, and we plan to exercise ours.

"I'd remind the NFL and their players that it is not the violent thugs burning down buildings that buy their advertiser's products," Roorda added. "It's cops and the good people of St. Louis and other NFL towns that do. Somebody needs to throw a flag on this play. If it's not the NFL and the Rams, then it'll be cops and their supporters."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/01/st-louis-police-group-demands-punishment-for-rams-players-in-ferguson-protest/

Apparently some people are immune to facts

[Soul Crusher]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2855715/Obama-hold-White-House-meetings-Ferguson.html



Unreal - Ghettobama doing what he always does

[Dos Equis]

Apparently some people are immune to facts

Tell me about it.  I was just having a discussion with someone who insists the cop should have used a taser or shot him leg, etc.  Tried to explain use of force training and guidelines, etc.  Didn't matter.  Tried to put that aside and just use common sense, by looking at the size of this kid and the fact he had already tried to take the cop's gun.  Didn't matter.  That's why some people feel emboldened to say and do stupid stuff after an incident like this. 

[Archer77]

Tell me about it.  I was just having a discussion with someone who insists the cop should have used a taser or shot him leg, etc.  Tried to explain use of force training and guidelines, etc.  Didn't matter.  Tried to put that aside and just use common sense, by looking at the size of this kid and the fact he had already tried to take the cop's gun.  Didn't matter.  That's why some people feel emboldened to say and do stupid stuff after an incident like this. 

It's like dealing with the insane or a 911 truther.  This is some whacked out shit.

[240 is Back]

It's like dealing with the insane or a 911 truther.  This is some whacked out shit.

not another Pete Carroll thread.

[Dos Equis]

It's like dealing with the insane or a 911 truther.  This is some whacked out shit.

Hey watch it now.  240 is my personal whipping boy.  You leave him alone.   

[Archer77]

Hey watch it now.  240 is my personal whipping boy.  You leave him alone.   

hahaha.  It is like 911 truthers, man.  The two are eerily similar. I'm already hearing stories of cover-ups and government take overs.

[Dos Equis]

hahaha.  It is like 911 truthers, man.  The two are eerily similar. I'm already hearing stories of cover-ups and government take overs.

Now that I think about it, you are absolutely correct.  I quit arguing with 911 Troofers a long time ago.  Pointless exercise.  I see the same unreasonableness with these Ferguson people.