Why Didn't Kai Greene Beat Phil Heath?

[warez4gold]

1. Grapefruit?

2. Getting in his face?

3. Legitimately lost based solely on his physique?

4. Gifted Nutrition paying off judges and/or key people in the IFBB?

5. A combo of the above?

Thoughts?

[Nails]

Grapefruit

Towel

Watermelon

Gay posing

[The_Iron_Disciple]

Heath is able to articulate himself better. Plus, he doesn't have a jaded past, unlike Kai, unfortunately. :/ I like Kai and I really felt he should have won ... but Kai is not a good ambassador for the sport, sadly.

[warez4gold]

Grapefruit

Towel

Watermelon

Gay posing

I wouldn't be surprised if they took all of those things into consideration. IMO, Kai deserved 1st place. The BBing industry is a huge farce and I doubt the people behind the sport are any different than the snake oil salesmen behind the supplement industry.

[The_Iron_Disciple]

I wouldn't be surprised if they took all of those things into consideration. IMO, Kai deserved 1st place. The BBing industry is a huge farce and I doubt the people behind the sport are any different than the snake oil salesmen behind the supplement industry.

They're not. Everything you just posted is correct. Bodybuilding is just one big joke.

[warez4gold]

They're not. Everything you just posted is correct. Bodybuilding is just one big joke.

I still like to follow the athletes and all. It would be a hell of a lot cooler if they legalized anabolics and had the athletes and their coaches talk more openly about drug protocols.

There would be kids getting fucked up all over america no doubt.

Do you think the majority of the competitors at this year's olympia were taking more than 5g of gear a week?

[Cableguy]

Wish I gave a shit. It just doesn't matter. Really.

[mesmorph78]

He didn't "win" because the judges gave Phil another gift, it doesn't matter who is the best bodybuilder on the day . What matters is who can make the powers that be the most money, if fb judging has gotten progressively worse over the years.

[240 is Back]

Perfect score.  Yep. 

[dooman]

Perfect score.  Yep. 

Pathetic.....in every sense of the word. Not your post, rather the perfect score for what presents as the whiny bitch that is the current Mr O. Dorian, Ronnie....were men - this current clown in comparison.....wtf

[Parker]

He didn't "win" because the judges gave Phil another gift, it doesn't matter who is the best bodybuilder on the day . What matters is who can make the powers that be the most money, if fb judging has gotten progressively worse over the years.

And you can't make money off of grapefruit, watermelon, towels, philosophy of redemption, mixed bag of bodyparts...perception plays a large part in this, and that Kai didn't deliver a knockout. If he came in super sick, he would have won.
Just think, what sells more OJ or grapefruit juice?

[mesmorph78]

And you can't make money off of grapefruit, watermelon, towels, philosophy of redemption, mixed bag of bodyparts...perception plays a large part in this, and that Kai didn't deliver a knockout. If he came in super sick, he would have won.
Just think, what sells more OJ or grapefruit juice?

I hear what you're saying and I see you're angle.  To be fair I would have given it to Shawn or dex
Phil Heath was not the best bodybuilder on stage nor should he have earned a perfect score.

[gmflex]

1. Abusing a grapefruit
2. White Towel incident
3. My favorite    getbig.com


I'm pretty sure the judges visit getbig and saw the numerous threads about KAI...

[Parker]

I hear what you're saying and I see you're angle.  To be fair I would have given it to Shawn or dex
Phil Heath was not the best bodybuilder on stage nor should he have earned a perfect score.

Shawn and Dex beat Phil and Kai from the front aesthetically and to my eyes probably in the condition department. Shawn lacks separation in the arms. But when they turn around, Shawn lacks back detail and thickness. It could be argued that Dex hangs with Phil and Kai in that department.
They already had Dex as the 2008 Mr. O, rewarding him for his consistency, and beating Jay...I don't think that they will do it again.

[BB]

90% the Gay 4 Pay, you just can't be that out there with it, and win. It would signal Weider Group's tacit approval of the underbelly of bodybuilding, so you give him the safe place of second that rewards him, but doesn't let him be the face of bodybuilding.

5% Incumbent factor, you real have to blow the current winner off the stage to win. If you're just edging him out, or it's a toss up, it will usually go to the incumbent. Also see grapefruit factor.

5% Phil being more relateable to everyone. He's arrogant, but he's sort of got an all American boy factor happening. I like Kai, but he's a wild one. Phil is more toward the center, so it attracts more on average.

[G_Thang]

And you can't make money off of grapefruit, watermelon, towels, philosophy of redemption, mixed bag of bodyparts...perception plays a large part in this, and that Kai didn't deliver a knockout. If he came in super sick, he would have won.
Just think, what sells more OJ or grapefruit juice?

I'm not sure of this, because Phil had a perfect score without abs in pre-judging while Kai balanced the score cards by the end of round.  Fans are just getting a hyped match up.  Kai will be the maid of honor for the next  2 -3 yrs until they can find palatable option in his place.  Phil won't make it to 8-0, but he will win more than 8 I think. 

[affeman]

1. Grapefruit?

2. Getting in his face?

3. Legitimately lost based solely on his physique?

4. Gifted Nutrition paying off judges and/or key people in the IFBB?

5. A combo of the above?

Thoughts?

Because he looked like complete shit at the Finals, flat like a pancake and smooth, while Phil came 200 % improved from pre-judging.#

[BodyConnoisseur]

Because he looked like complete shit at the Finals, flat like a pancake and smooth, while Phil came 200 % improved from pre-judging.#

Shhh conspiracy theories are more fun

[viking1]

Glad I gave up and went to bed during the 212's. I wake up, check the results, and shake my head realizing how much this is a crooked, political, business.

[Parker]

I'm not sure of this, because Phil had a perfect score without abs in pre-judging while Kai balanced the score cards by the end of round.  Fans are just getting a hyped match up.  Kai will be the maid of honor for the next  2 -3 yrs until they can find palatable option in his place.  Phil won't make it to 8-0, but he will win more than 8 I think. 

I get that as well. Kai should get used to the Cormier factor---Cormier coming in 2nd 6x in a row at the Arnold Classic.

I think Kai really pushed Phil this year, and Phil needs to come in like a 2003 Ronnie to really do damage next year.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I get that as well. Kai should get used to the Cormier factor---Cormier coming in 2nd 6x in a row at the Arnold Classic.

I think Kai really pushed Phil this year, and Phil needs to come in like a 2003 Ronnie to really do damage next year.

Phil got straight firsts , Kai didn't make a dent on him.

[MCWAY]

Why would Greene's past keep him from winning the Olympia, considering that:

a) We already had a gay Mr. Olympia over 30 years ago (Dickerson)

b) IFBB has long since waived the no-nudity clause; once it suspended Erika Mes just for posing naked. Since then, we got IFBB female pros doing straight-up porn (i.e. Denise Masino, Gayle Moher, etc.) without so much as the league batting an eye. MuscleMag used to advertise this stuff for years, long before Greene even turned pro.

[Mr. MB]

90% the Gay 4 Pay, you just can't be that out there with it, and win. It would signal Weider Group's tacit approval of the underbelly of bodybuilding, so you give him the safe place of second that rewards him, but doesn't let him be the face of bodybuilding.

5% Incumbent factor, you real have to blow the current winner off the stage to win. If you're just edging him out, or it's a toss up, it will usually go to the incumbent. Also see grapefruit factor.

5% Phil being more relateable to everyone. He's arrogant, but he's sort of got an all American boy factor happening. I like Kai, but he's a wild one. Phil is more toward the center, so it attracts more on average.

Nailed it!!

[The Scott]

Why would Greene's past keep him from winning the Olympia, considering that:

a) We already had a gay Mr. Olympia over 30 years ago (Dickerson)

b) IFBB has long since waived the no-nudity clause; once it suspended Erika Mes just for posing naked. Since then, we got IFBB female pros doing straight-up porn (i.e. Denise Masino, Gayle Moher, etc.) without so much as the league batting an eye. MuscleMag used to advertise this stuff for years, long before Greene even turned pro.

Desperately trying to hold onto some vestige of decency?  Nobody likes a grapefruit rapist?  Kai's a disgusting man-ho and outside of schmoes, nobody likes a man-ho?

I would go with the last one.  Kai is pretty much a grapefruit rapist but how do we know the grapefruit incident wasn't consensual?  But.  Kai is a slut.

SLUT.

Nobody likes a slut.  Not even the mother of a slut.  Kai's a SLUT.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Why would Greene's past keep him from winning the Olympia, considering that:

a) We already had a gay Mr. Olympia over 30 years ago (Dickerson)

b) IFBB has long since waived the no-nudity clause; once it suspended Erika Mes just for posing naked. Since then, we got IFBB female pros doing straight-up porn (i.e. Denise Masino, Gayle Moher, etc.) without so much as the league batting an eye. MuscleMag used to advertise this stuff for years, long before Greene even turned pro.

It wouldn't keep him from winning , these people need an excuse for why Kai came in soft and holding water. These are the same people who will call the judges ' gay ' which would work in Kai's favor if anything.

Kai lost because he's to damn heavy and his conditioning sucks for it.