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Yeah while I'd like to see a more pleasant society where I didn't feel the need to choke every lib I meet...I think if the we got the evangelicals in they'd limit violent video games and internet porn...two things that I can't live without.
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More Americans see religion’s influence waning, want bigger role in politics

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The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion

Thomas Jefferson wrote with respect to the First Amendment and its restriction on the legislative branch of the federal government in an 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptists (a religious minority concerned about the dominant position of the Congregationalist church in Connecticut):

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.[9]




Get an education its not to late.


Are you having trouble thinking for yourself?  How does this violate the First Amendment?   

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Are you having trouble thinking for yourself?  How does this violate the First Amendment?   


More Americans see religion’s influence waning, want bigger role in politics

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The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion


Politics = laws.

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The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion


Politics = laws.

Ok.  Progress.  Good job. 

People wanting to see religion influence policy does not mean they want the government to establish a church.  Nothing in the First Amendment requires people to only advocate for secular-based policy.  Nothing prevents legislators from voting for religious-based policy.  Just depends on exactly what they are advocating.  For example, tightening laws related to stealing or perjury (both of which are Biblically based) is fine.  Trying to pass a law forcing people to attend church is not. 

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You dont think:


Nothing prevents legislators from voting for religious-based policy

conflicts with

The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion


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Thomas Jefferson wrote with respect to the First Amendment and its restriction on the legislative branch of the federal government in an 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptists (a religious minority concerned about the dominant position of the Congregationalist church in Connecticut):

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.[9]


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No, it does not.  I just explained why it does not. 

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No, it does not.  I just explained why it does not. 

If you vote for religious-based policy the wall between church and State will become blurred to say the least.

Of course it depends what we call religious-based policy.


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If you vote for religious-based policy the wall between church and State will become blurred to say the least.

Of course it depends what we call religious-based policy.



That's exactly what I said.  It depends on the policy.  Another example is voters or elected officials deciding they want to have a dry county, because they might think drinking alcohol is a sin (not something I believe).  That wouldn't violate the First Amendment. 

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That's exactly what I said.  It depends on the policy.  Another example is voters or elected officials deciding they want to have a dry county, because they might think drinking alcohol is a sin (not something I believe).  That wouldn't violate the First Amendment. 

So give an example of an religious based policy that would not conflict with the first amendment.

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So give an example of an religious based policy that would not conflict with the first amendment.

I just did.


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How about not allowing anyone who is an atheist to run for or hold office? 

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How about not allowing anyone who is an atheist to run for or hold office? 

"no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

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I just did.



If you ban alcohol because its a sin it conflicts with "The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion"

You will hit the people who doesnt share your religion and therefore doesnt see it as a sin.



Didnt Jesus turn water in to wine?

He sounds pro-alcohol to me.

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If you ban alcohol because its a sin it conflicts with "The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion"

You will hit the people who doesnt share your religion and therefore doesnt see it as a sin.



Didnt Jesus turn water in to wine?

He sounds pro-alcohol to me.

Not everyone needs to agree with why certain policies are being voted on or put in place.  We have dry counties all over the country and I am certain that the genesis for some if not most of them are religious based. 

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Not everyone needs to agree with why certain policies are being voted on or put in place.  We have dry counties all over the country and I am certain that the genesis for some if not most of them are religious based. 

Really? I had no idea (no sarcasm i swear).

Is alcohol forbidden in these counties?

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Really? I had no idea (no sarcasm i swear).

Is alcohol forbidden in these counties?
it doesnt suprise me your unaware, you seem unaware of alot...

fuking idiots thinking that a person voting on issues based of their religious views is somehow a violation of the first ammendment ::)


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"no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/959292/7_states_that_ban_atheists_from_holding_public_office/

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it doesnt suprise me your unaware, you seem unaware of alot...

fuking idiots thinking that a person voting on issues based of their religious views is somehow a violation of the first ammendment ::)



Adult are debating here, run along child..

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Adult are debating here, run along child..
LMFAO tell us all again how people cannot vote based of their religious views...you clearly have a strong understanding of our constitution.

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Really? I had no idea (no sarcasm i swear).

Is alcohol forbidden in these counties?

Forbidden to be sold.  

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http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/959292/7_states_that_ban_atheists_from_holding_public_office/

This is the entire "article" in your link:

"7 States That Ban Atheists From Holding Public Office
 
States with laws on the books barring atheists from holding public office: Arkansas, Maryland, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas.

Surprised or no?"

What do those specific laws say? 


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http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/959292/7_states_that_ban_atheists_from_holding_public_office/
This is the entire "article" in your link:

"7 States That Ban Atheists From Holding Public Office
 
States with laws on the books barring atheists from holding public office: Arkansas, Maryland, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas.

Surprised or no?"

What do those specific laws say?  
there are plenty of laws on the books that arent enforced these days.

Houston has an openly gay mayor, I dont think the religious laws are as big a boogey man as some progressive libtards like to think...


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LMFAO tell us all again how people cannot vote based of their religious views...you clearly have a strong understanding of our constitution.

Learn to read moron.