10 days on the galeniko/no one diet (PICS)

[anabolichalo]

I diet on 1200 cals, I eat around 2500 to 3000 cals normally and I dont get fat.

he said "unless you are on a good stack of drugs" bro

[no one]

"Several people have claimed that metabolic adaptation only accounts for a 15% change in metabolic rate and that you should just go back to your pre-diet maintenance post diet. A study by Dr. Jeremy Loenneke Dr. Lindy Rossow and Dr. Chris Fahs demonstrated a reduction in metabolic rate from 2424 kcal/day to 1283 kcal/day during contest prep in a bodybuilder who's intake was well monitored and had regular assessments done. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23412685
Finally, if metabolic adaptation of metabolic rate is not significant, then increasing calories back to pre diet maintenance will not result in significant weight gain... good luck with that."

In other words: unless you're on good stack of drugs and you are arleady lean GL with this diet.

have you tried the diet? no you haven't.

have you tried the routine? no you haven't.

you come along w bullshit negativity in every thread I start that tries to help people offering your opinion based on studies, not experience.

whereas everyone who's done the diet says it works exactly as it's purported to.

so in short fuck off with your studies and provide some real world feedback regarding your own personal experience w the diet gal and I outlined or shut the fuck up.

'it won't work' hahaha jokes on you pansy. feel fee to slog thru unnecessary high cal diets if that's what floats your boat. some of us don't have time for that shit. bit don't come here and give me it can't/ won't/ doesht work when you don't have the first fucking clue abt what your talking about, numpty.

Simon was one of the biggest critics of my diet when it first appeared- fuck he and I went back and forth for 70 pages and he realised after trying it the impossible was possible. you saw the thread. the difference between you and him is your too ignorant to open your eyes and instead blind yourself w 'science' and chirp like an Internet expert abt how it doesn't work. lol

I guess everyone who's doing it is wrong and your right, eh sparky?
 

[mazrim]

"Several people have claimed that metabolic adaptation only accounts for a 15% change in metabolic rate and that you should just go back to your pre-diet maintenance post diet. A study by Dr. Jeremy Loenneke Dr. Lindy Rossow and Dr. Chris Fahs demonstrated a reduction in metabolic rate from 2424 kcal/day to 1283 kcal/day during contest prep in a bodybuilder who's intake was well monitored and had regular assessments done. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23412685
Finally, if metabolic adaptation of metabolic rate is not significant, then increasing calories back to pre diet maintenance will not result in significant weight gain... good luck with that."

Not having specifically looked them up but aren't there studies that show the opposite or where would the 15% number come from?
Also the guy was on a diet for 6 months correct (cant read the whole study)? If that is correct then that is a looong time to be dieting and could contribute as well.

[Thin Lizzy]

I agree w this esp your take on the 'nutritional' function of the cal vs the activity level/ demands of the athlete, something I've been paying very close attention to as of late.

but it kind of goes to reinforce my stance - you don't need high cals to get sufficient nutrients based on your activity level. as strictly a sedentary bber (aren't they all) you can pack a lot of density in 1000-1200 cal and in the case of bigger guys like myself up to 1500 some days which this type of diet is geared towards given the forum we are on. bbers imo grossly overeat when either dieting or gaining. most don't have the physical demands to require the cals they are taking in. I've proven I myself and others eliminating cals gives faster more efficient results w the same ability to perform 'work'.

if we were on a different forum I'd have markedly different ideas on cal intakes, esp given my own activity level which has a very high caloric demand at times.

I'm still trying to figure that ideal cal imput out for myself. it took me 20 years to figure out the bbing end of it. I don't have 20 years to figure out my athletic demands end of it.

I'm experimenting a ketogenic diet and prolonged HIT cardio and training. I went hypo today after 3 days w no carbs and very moderate activity. I was hoping keto could offer a virtually limitless fuel source (body fat combined w how fast some fats are metabolized for fuel) when I'm pushing myself cardio wise but it seems that keto and HIT cardio might not work out. it's frustrating- spend 3 days getting into keto then go hypo w out even pushing the throttle, so I need to eat carbs kick myself out ahd go thru the lag again and hope I don't go hypo until I'm 100% functioning keto?
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Fat requires a greater number of chemical reactions, to be used as fuel, than carbs. So, without carbs, if you overload your fat burning system, as would be the case with HIT,  there's no back up, and performance suffers.

[Simple Simon]

Not having specifically looked them up but aren't there studies that show the opposite or where would the 15% number come from?
Also the guy was on a diet for 6 months correct (cant read the whole study)? If that is correct then that is a looong time to be dieting and could contribute as well.

The whole point of the ultra low cals is that you dont have to be on it for a long time.

[Simple Simon]

Fat requires a greater number of chemical reactions, to be used as fuel, than carbs. So, without carbs, if you overload your fat burning system, as would be the case with HIT,  there's no back up, and performance suffers.

[Thin Lizzy]

Good hair!

[Man of Steel]

Let me understand.   You went on a 10 day diet and went from super in shape to super in shape?

no one is amazing??

[mazrim]

The whole point of the ultra low cals is that you dont have to be on it for a long time.

Yes, that was what I was kind of getting at so the study he showed didn't really have a whole lot to do with the topic.

[Simple Simon]

Yes, that was what I was saying so the study he showed didn't really have a whole lot to do with the topic.

I know, I was re-enforcing your point.

[deceiver]

Here I wrote lengthy reply but realised this discussion doesn't make any sense. Whatever, "numpty".

[no one]

Here I wrote lengthy reply but realised this discussion doesn't make any sense. Whatever, "numpty".

ya no sense looking more foolish.

[deceiver]

ya no sense looking more foolish.

You really think you look "smart"? Jesus, you really are arrogant. Please remind us, what is your job and where did you get your degree?

By the way, quote in my previous post was from Layne Norton. Do you really think you know more about nutrition and have more experience in coaching and know the consequences of your diet just because handful of people from internet posted pictures when they looked leaner than before using your protocol?

[Hulkotron]

Great build for a female competitor

[deceiver]

And by the way, no where did I write or imply that what you suggest does not work. So your whole retort, especially considering its offensive nature, was an epic failure. I merely suggested what could be the long term consequences of severe caloric restriction. But since I am all about facts and not personal agendas I have to agree with you - if you are on drugs and disregard everything except from how lean you are and how fast you can get to that state then hell yes, that person should follow what you suggest. Arabian bodybuilders starve, take shitload of diuretics and look shredded.

[visualizeperfection]

You really think you look "smart"? Jesus, you really are arrogant. Please remind us, what is your job and where did you get your degree?

By the way, quote in my previous post was from Layne Norton. Do you really think you know more about nutrition and have more experience in coaching and know the consequences of your diet just because handful of people from internet posted pictures when they looked leaner than before using your protocol?

"Receiver"

I think you should copy/paste more Layne notron misinformation.

[Wolfox]

What's funny is even Lyle McDonald warns against using a PSMF for long periods of time.

He says you'll fuck your shit up.

[Hulkotron]

"Receiver"

I think you should copy/paste more Layne notron misinformation.

Careful or he'll start following you around like a scorned bitch like he does with me

I don't even remember what I posted to tenderize his vagine but they must have been very hurtful words.

[Bindare_Dundat]

This girl eats 1800 calories to 2500, does only 2-3 days weight training in the gym and no cardio.




1800-2000 calories on off-days and up to 2500 calories on training-days. I needed some time to get my metabolism fast, but now I feel fine with keeping my bodyfat and eat lots of calories (in my dimensions).


What is your current routine?
One day is based on Squats, the other on Deadlifts, the rest varies, but I rely strongly on basic movements and 2-3 intense sessions per week. No cardio.

Bone rack.

[Bindare_Dundat]

I have seen Luimarco, a Lifetime Natural, age 40, diet on 1260 calories for just a few weeks and get super fast results.  He also trains 3-4 days a week only.

Looks like SHIT.

[visualizeperfection]

Careful or he'll start following you around like a scorned bitch like he does with me

I don't even remember what I posted to tenderize his vagine but they must have been very hurtful words.

If I was a betting man, I would bet that there are things.

I do need a new pet to follow me around.. My lackluster posting pefrormance of late has shook a few loose.

[Disgusted]

This girl eats 1800 calories to 2500, does only 2-3 days weight training in the gym and no cardio.




1800-2000 calories on off-days and up to 2500 calories on training-days. I needed some time to get my metabolism fast, but now I feel fine with keeping my bodyfat and eat lots of calories (in my dimensions).


What is your current routine?
One day is based on Squats, the other on Deadlifts, the rest varies, but I rely strongly on basic movements and 2-3 intense sessions per week. No cardio.

And the pic is clearly shopped.

[no one]

And by the way, no where did I write or imply that what you suggest does not work. So your whole retort, especially considering its offensive nature, was an epic failure. I merely suggested what could be the long term consequences of severe caloric restriction. But since I am all about facts and not personal agendas I have to agree with you - if you are on drugs and disregard everything except from how lean you are and how fast you can get to that state then hell yes, that person should follow what you suggest. Arabian bodybuilders starve, take shitload of diuretics and look shredded.

no what you did was tried to play the big shot know it all like you normally do and made yourself look stupid. like you normally do.

a gimp with zero experience but all the studies. lol maybe send your studies to Ex Coelis and tell him he's doing it wrong.

I'm all for debate. do the diet. come back and debate it. shove the 'studies' up your ass.

[njflex]

pics and diets detailed would help in assessing what works or is working for someone posting claims...the thread starter has come through looks good on a condition standpoint..

[Ron Harrigan]

Question.

Do you wear the same outfit everyday or do you rotate your wardrobe every 10 days?

I only change my clothes after I bathe, which is once every ten days.