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Re: Second case of Ebola in Dallas confirmed.
« Reply #50 on: October 12, 2014, 08:40:24 AM »
what part of it is not true?   Specifically, what part of 3 visits, 103 temp, admitting he'd been to ebola country, and being sent home with antibiotics, only to have cousin finally call CDC...

What part of that isn't true, dude?

yes, I speculated that it was much more contagious when the dude was dropping skin and body fluids everywhere lol. 

But are you saying any of those facts I listed aren't true?  Are you entertaining ANY scenario where it wasn't more likely to spread in a week of incubation in public, instead of instant quarantine on visit #1?
im stating that the oart where you said hed be alive and there wouldnt be another infection is speculation, numbnuts. Especially the part about the 2nd infected, it was a fucking aid worker, 99% chance it would have infected another aid worker anyway while he was in treatment.

And even when in treatment they still pretty much all die. Very few survive. So whole premise about rhe outcome being different if they hadnt turned him away is probable bullshit. Dude was dead when he got in the plane.

Also, we dont know all the facts about the hospital visits. He had a fever, he was sent home, he aksed to be checked for ebola.

BUT, did he specifically say he was in contact with ebola? Or did he just say he was coming from Africa? Either way they hospitald screwed up but they get lying fuckers with fevers all the time stating theyre dying so that the hospital will treat their flu because they cant afford tonsee a normal doc.

Again, its irrelevant, as in all likelyhood hed still be dead and another aid worker would still have gotten infected caring for his piece of shit ass while he died.

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Re: Second case of Ebola in Dallas confirmed.
« Reply #51 on: October 12, 2014, 09:10:05 AM »
So what will happen to Ebola in the future? I read a vaccine wiill be available for march 2015.

The scary thing about ebola is that 90% of people who get infected die. But it seems it's not as bad as previous pandemics. Read about the 1918 spanish flu pandemic. It killed between 50-100 millions of people in one single year, althought only 10% of the people who got it died. That means we had anywhere between 0.5 - 1 billion infected persons back then . Ebola is expected to kill 1 million (in one year) in the worst case scenario, however it will kill you 90% of the time.

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Re: Second case of Ebola in Dallas confirmed.
« Reply #52 on: October 12, 2014, 09:37:01 AM »
im stating that the oart where you said hed be alive and there wouldnt be another infection is speculation, numbnuts. Especially the part about the 2nd infected, it was a fucking aid worker, 99% chance it would have infected another aid worker anyway while he was in treatment.

And even when in treatment they still pretty much all die. Very few survive. So whole premise about rhe outcome being different if they hadnt turned him away is probable bullshit. Dude was dead when he got in the plane.

Also, we dont know all the facts about the hospital visits. He had a fever, he was sent home, he aksed to be checked for ebola.

BUT, did he specifically say he was in contact with ebola? Or did he just say he was coming from Africa? Either way they hospitald screwed up but they get lying fuckers with fevers all the time stating theyre dying so that the hospital will treat their flu because they cant afford tonsee a normal doc.

Again, its irrelevant, as in all likelyhood hed still be dead and another aid worker would still have gotten infected caring for his piece of shit ass while he died.
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Re: Second case of Ebola in Dallas confirmed.
« Reply #53 on: October 12, 2014, 10:01:25 AM »
So what will happen to Ebola in the future? I read a vaccine wiill be available for march 2015.

The scary thing about ebola is that 90% of people who get infected die. But it seems it's not as bad as previous pandemics. Read about the 1918 spanish flu pandemic. It killed between 50-100 millions of people in one single year, althought only 10% of the people who got it died. That means we had anywhere between 0.5 - 1 billion infected persons back then . Ebola is expected to kill 1 million (in one year) in the worst case scenario, however it will kill you 90% of the time.


Ebola MUST be true because the MSM says it is !

TPTB want to vaccinate everyone.  The question is... vaccinate them with what?

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Re: Second case of Ebola in Dallas confirmed.
« Reply #54 on: October 12, 2014, 10:10:08 AM »
the big problem was that he showed up at a hospital without health insurance.

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Re: Second case of Ebola in Dallas confirmed.
« Reply #55 on: October 12, 2014, 11:40:07 AM »
im stating that the oart where you said hed be alive

LOL

You do'nt think there's a greater chance he'd be alive if he got treatment a WEEK EARLIER IN THE USA?  

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Re: Second case of Ebola in Dallas confirmed.
« Reply #56 on: October 12, 2014, 12:10:18 PM »
LOL

You do'nt think there's a greater chance he'd be alive if he got treatment a WEEK EARLIER IN THE USA?  

HAHAHA


Statistically NO. Do you even know how they treat ebola? Do you even read? I had to do a paper on it, the likelyhood of anyone surviving is extemely minimal even with treatment.

They have no cure, no magic drug. The vaccine is in trials. Hes treated with IV fluids and constantly rotating plasma in hopes the body will manage to build up an immunity. Something like 90% fail. They just keep changing blood trying to slow it down long enough for the body to catch up.

So no, i dont think he would have had a 'much higher' likelyhood of survival. Higher is debatable. Because statistically, he was already dead by the time he got off the plane.

You literally stated hed be alive and you have no fucking clue shat would have happened had he been treated earlier. You stated it as fact and now youre trying to say 'hed have a higher chance'. Give me a fckn break.

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Ebola - Texas nurse who had worn protective gear tests positive for Ebola
« Reply #57 on: October 12, 2014, 12:40:34 PM »
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/12/health/ebola/index.html

Texas nurse who had worn protective gear tests positive for Ebola

(CNN) -- The deadly Ebola virus appears to have been contracted by someone inside the United States for the first time.

A nurse who had worn protective gear during her "extensive contact" at a Dallas hospital with an Ebola patient who died has tested positive during a preliminary blood test, officials said Sunday.

The woman had on a gown, gloves, mask and a shield during her multiple visits with Thomas Eric Duncan, but there was a breach in protocol, health officials said.

The patient is a nurse at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas, an official who is familiar with the case told CNN.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta is conducting confirmatory testing on the blood sample, and its results are expected to be announced later in the day.

If confirmed by the CDC, the nurse's case would mark the first known transmission of Ebola in the United States and the second-ever diagnosis in the country.

She was involved in Duncan's care after he was placed in isolation -- his second trip to the hospital after coming to the United States from Liberia -- said Dr. Tom Frieden, the director of the CDC.

The nurse is in stable condition, Texas Health Resources chief clinical officer Dan Varga said. Duncan, the first person to be diagnosed with Ebola in the United States, died Wednesday.

The nurse had "extensive contact" on "multiple occasions" with Duncan, Frieden said.

"At some point, there was a breach in protocol, and that breach in protocol resulted in this infection," he said at a news conference Sunday. "The (Ebola treatment) protocols work. ... But we know that even a single lapse or breach can result in infection."

Also, Varga said that someone who is a "close contact" of the nurse has been "proactively" placed in isolation.

The hazardous materials unit of the Dallas Fire Department has cleaned up and decontaminated the public areas of the health worker's apartment complex, Mayor Mike Rawlings said. Police are keeping people out of the area and are talking to residents nearby.

"We have knocked on every door on that block," the mayor said.

Hazardous materials units have also cleaned out the nurse's car and will work on her apartment Sunday.

Case was anticipated

"We knew a second case could be a reality, and we've been preparing for this possibility," Dr. David Lakey, commissioner of the Texas Department of State Health Services, said in a statement Sunday morning.

"We are broadening our team in Dallas and working with extreme diligence to prevent further spread."

The nurse reported a low-grade fever Friday night and was isolated, the health department said. The preliminary test result came in late Saturday.

President Obama received two briefings Sunday on the second Dallas Ebola case, including one from Health and Human Services Secretary Sylvia Burwell. According to a White House statement, the President wants federal authorities to immediately take further measures to ensure health care professionals are able to follow protocols for treating Ebola patients.

CDC corroboration expected

David Sanders, associate professor of biological sciences at Purdue University, said he thinks the CDC testing will probably support the preliminary results.

"It sounds likely that it's positive, and it's going to stay positive."

The news that a health care worker might have the disease is not completely unexpected, an infectious disease specialist told CNN's "New Day."

"I think we've always expected that there may be another individual who will come down with the Ebola from the transmission of this one particular person, and we always felt that it was going to likely be one of his close contacts or one of the health care workers, because that's the way this virus works," Dr. Frank Esper said.

Esper said Texas officials have been keeping a close eye on people who had contact with Duncan.

"I will tell you that the fact that we identified this individual so quickly is actually to me a sign that the system is working," he added.

Globally, the disease has wrought catastrophic consequences.

The World Health Organization estimates more than 8,300 people have contracted Ebola during this year's outbreak. Of those, more than 4,000 have died.

Ebola not very contagious

Ebola is actually difficult to catch. People are at risk if they come into very close contact with the blood, saliva, sweat, feces, semen, vomit or soiled clothing of an Ebola patient, or if they travel to affected areas in West Africa and come into contact with someone who has Ebola.

Those stricken with Ebola suffer ghastly symptoms, including vomiting, diarrhea, muscle pain, fever and unexplained bleeding.

Three countries -- Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia -- have been hardest hit. And many of those who care for the ill have also come down with the disease.

The World Health Organization estimates at least 416 health care workers have contracted Ebola, and at least 233 have died.

In Liberia, health care workers are threatening to strike if their work conditions don't improve.

The first infection outside of Africa happened in a nurse's aide in Spain, Teresa Romero Ramos. She became sick after she helped treat an Ebola-stricken Spanish missionary.

Her case has prompted questions from fellow medical professionals about whether they are properly equipped to safely treat Ebola patients.

Spanish Ebola patient's condition worsens, doctor says

Another search begins

For weeks, health officials have been monitoring those who had contact with Duncan before he was hospitalized and isolated.

Duncan left Liberia on September 19 and arrived in Dallas on September 20. Four days later, he began feeling ill; the following night, he went to Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital.

But despite telling a hospital worker that he had arrived from Liberia, Duncan was sent home with antibiotics. He returned a few days later and tested positive for Ebola.

And now, the search begins for all the contacts whom the nurse came in contact with.

"We need a whole new crew of people to do contact tracing," said Elizabeth Cohen, CNN senior medical correspondent.

Because Ebola's incubation period can last up to 21 days, the health nurse's contacts will have to be monitored for three weeks.

The Texas health department said officials have interviewed the patient and are identifying any contacts or potential exposures.

"This is not an easy thing," Cohen said. "Keeping track of large numbers of people, taking their temperature twice a day, making sure they don't ... leave town, all of that is a lot of work."
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"Breach in protocol"

Translation - weve been saying you cant catch this shit easily yet ever week someone gets it in a hazmat suit, so we keep saying "breach in protocol" to try and keep people from realizing its spreading in a way we dont want to admit.

Notice how they never define the "breach in protocol", just that it wasnt followed. They simoly wont admit that its spreading from some other means, because it admits their incompetence and/or that theyre lying and panic could set in.

Once? Ok. Twice? Eh, ok. Multiple, multiple times? Yeah, fuck you.

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Love how a couole paragraphs down is the damage control -

"Ebola is actually very hard to get"

After saying "even one screwup can lead to infection", not to mention patient after patient getting infected when they shouldnt have.

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"Breach in protocol"

Translation - weve been saying you cant catch this shit easily yet ever week someone gets it in a hazmat suit, so we keep saying "breach in protocol" to try and keep people from realizing its spreading in a way we dont want to admit.

Notice how they never define the "breach in protocol", just that it wasnt followed. They simoly wont admit that its spreading from some other means, because it admits their incompetence and/or that theyre lying and panic could set in.

Once? Ok. Twice? Eh, ok. Multiple, multiple times? Yeah, fuck you.

Actually, there is a video attached to the link and a man from the CDC does explain how it was breached. But who knows how true it is.

I have a feeling this shit is going to get bad.  :-X :-X :-\ :-\
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You wonder how many people that idiot came into casual contact with before he died.  Duncan's family shouldn't get shit. 
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Actually, there is a video attached to the link and a man from the CDC does explain how it was breached. But who knows how true it is.

I have a feeling this shit is going to get bad.  :-X :-X :-\ :-\
whats his explanation?

Its a pattern, way too many medical professionals have been infected wearing hazmat suits for it all to be breach in protocol.

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Duncan sought medical help in the Presbyterian Hospital's ER and was sent home. Supposedly EBOLA is contagious after symptoms occur. Duncan had a fever and other symptoms when he first visited the ER. Who knows how many people he might have infected during that time and for the days after before he returned to the hospital when they finally admitted him. Now there's a lapse in protocol if there ever was one.

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Wow. Scary. Like a basket of angry kittens.  

Idiots. Don't kiss, fuck, or hold hands with an infected person and you'll likely live to see the next Mr Olympia.

I was happy to see Duncan died.
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time to call in Bauer to eliminate the threat and find who's breaching protocol

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Kill the nurse. I'm sorry, but it ends there.  :-\

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Duncan sought medical help in the Presbyterian Hospital's ER and was sent home. Supposedly EBOLA is contagious after symptoms occur. Duncan had a fever and other symptoms when he first visited the ER. Who knows how many people he might have infected during that time and for the days after before he returned to the hospital when they finally admitted him. Now there's a lapse in protocol if there ever was one.

We can't in all fairness place all the burden on the Hospital.  Duncan knew he had Ebola and chose to come to the United States. He kept his exposure a secret until he became sick and had no choice but to seek medical treatment.   No one knows exactly when Duncan told the hospital he was exposed to Ebola.   This is important to determine the level of negligence the hospital is guilty of.   If Duncan told the hospital he was exposed to Ebola from the beginning then we have a problem.  What inflames me is that Duncan's family is likely going to sue and could possibly win.  They have no right to compensation.  They are complicit in assisting Duncan spread Ebola and should be made to pay restitution.  To make a comparison, they may not have robbed the bank but they drove the getaway car.
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I would have prefered if we have a virus outbreak that turn people into zombies, then we get a baseball bat or machete and hack them to pieces and hope we dont get bitten.

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I would have prefered if we have a virus outbreak that turn people into zombies, then we get a baseball bat or machete and hack them to pieces and hope we dont get bitten.

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You wonder how many people that idiot came into casual contact with before he died.  Duncan's family shouldn't get shit. 

His nitwit family members were on CNN the other day pissing and moaning about how the hospital "wouldn't even let them in to see him, not once!!!" and blaming it on racism ::)  No you twits it's actually because he has the most deadly infectious disease in the world.

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His nitwit family members were on CNN the other day pissing and moaning about how the hospital "wouldn't even let them in to see him, not once!!!" and blaming it on racism ::)  No you twits it's actually because he has the most deadly infectious disease in the world.

Jesse Jackson is already down there sniffing around for dollars.   The morons will sue and the odds are they will win.  In a fair world they would be brought up on criminal charges.
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Re: Second case of Ebola in Dallas confirmed.
« Reply #74 on: October 12, 2014, 03:00:44 PM »
Statistically NO. Do you even know how they treat ebola? Do you even read? I had to do a paper on it, the likelyhood of anyone surviving is extemely minimal even with treatment.

They have no cure, no magic drug. The vaccine is in trials. Hes treated with IV fluids and constantly rotating plasma in hopes the body will manage to build up an immunity. Something like 90% fail. They just keep changing blood trying to slow it down long enough for the body to catch up.

So no, i dont think he would have had a 'much higher' likelyhood of survival. Higher is debatable. Because statistically, he was already dead by the time he got off the plane.

You literally stated hed be alive and you have no fucking clue shat would have happened had he been treated earlier. You stated it as fact and now youre trying to say 'hed have a higher chance'. Give me a fckn break.


It seems as though a small percentage of humans have the ideal immune response, and can fight the virus. Most people don't have the immunological tools.