Author Topic: Natty or Not? (Read 41052 times)

SuperTed · « **Reply #50 on:** October 13, 2014, 06:03:59 AM »

Quote from: heenok on October 13, 2014, 04:37:06 AM

most of your mass is built during the first 3 years of training
after that i say you have about 2 years of really minor gains, if you are really dedicated

past the 5 years mark you can only work on little details or bodyfat levels
the muscle building is over

and this is for a consistent trainer not some guy who train 6 month a year

Pretty much this.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #51 on:** October 13, 2014, 06:04:54 AM »

Quote from: Costanza on October 13, 2014, 01:27:32 AM

If the Getbig protocol of 'anything under 3 grams a week is natural' is adhered to then I'd say yes he's natural.

Here are more, he is clearly Lifetime Natural in my opinion:

The True Adonis · « **Reply #52 on:** October 13, 2014, 06:08:12 AM »

The True Adonis · « **Reply #53 on:** October 13, 2014, 06:09:15 AM »

Quote from: Grape Ape on October 13, 2014, 06:08:45 AM

I understand that the occasional guy appears every so often with crazy stupid genetics, as we've all seen something like that.

But to say that conditioning can be achieved easily, let alone clean, feels a bit much.

Conditioning has nothing to do with drugs.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #54 on:** October 13, 2014, 06:10:31 AM »

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The True Adonis · « **Reply #56 on:** October 13, 2014, 06:12:04 AM »

C-BuZz · « **Reply #57 on:** October 13, 2014, 06:12:20 AM »

Not a single natty was seen that day in dat dere thread of peace.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #58 on:** October 13, 2014, 06:13:13 AM »

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The True Adonis · « **Reply #63 on:** October 13, 2014, 06:23:01 AM »

He follows the No One Machine workout actually.
Taken directly from his post:

Yesterday i did my last upperbody circuit workout of the week!...this thing is a killer...i did 45 minutes strainght (no rest) and the pump was insane!..i love it but this is the last one...next monday the real program starts..... the circuit is bellow:

1. Close Grip Pulldowns 15-20 reps
2. Bodyweight Dips 15-20 reps
3. Machine Rows 15-20 reps
4. Free motion Chest Flyes 15-20 reps
5. Delt Presses 15-20 reps
6. Side lateral machine 15-20 reps
7. Rear Delt Cable 15-20 reps
8. Tris cable extensions 15-20 reps
9. Bis curls 15-20 reps
10. REPEAT until time runs out!

The True Adonis · « **Reply #64 on:** October 13, 2014, 06:25:30 AM »

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The True Adonis · « **Reply #65 on:** October 13, 2014, 06:30:22 AM »

Quote from: Disgusted on October 12, 2014, 10:18:26 AM

WTF Trying to relax for once on a Sunday the lords day of rest. All kidding aside I would love to see just one guy on here diet down to near death level of body fat with just diet alone. Bet people would be surprised at how that person would turn out.

Francisco diets on around 3000 calories or so and does not suffer. He looks like that year round as well.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #66 on:** October 13, 2014, 06:31:10 AM »

He is around 5`11 and 170 lbs if anyone is wondering.

hipolito mejia · « **Reply #67 on:** October 13, 2014, 06:34:01 AM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on October 13, 2014, 06:31:10 AM

He is around 5`11 and 170 lbs if anyone is wondering.

Tren.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #68 on:** October 13, 2014, 06:38:41 AM »

Quote from: hipolito mejia on October 13, 2014, 06:34:01 AM

Tren.

No.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #69 on:** October 13, 2014, 06:42:06 AM »

All of his competitions are done with Polygraph and Urine by the way.

Time has come once again! I am flying tomorrow morning to get there early and be ready for all the things that i have to do including my tanning, the Athlete's meetings, Testing (polygraph + Urine) the weight ins, prepare my meals for satuday etc.

Today is going to be a very very busy day...i need to make sure i dont forget anything like my posing trunks LOL! I will be training chest/delts/tris today, packing all my stuff including my foods,food scale, Music Cd's..i also need to make sure i eat all my scheduled meals for today, drink my 2 galls of water, practice my posing a little bit, etc etc...its gonna be a long day.

I will be back sunday night and i will try to post an update with my experiences monday..This is going to be a war!!!!, 19 pros already including a few guys from canada are competing this weekend.

Finally a few shots from this week

no one · « **Reply #70 on:** October 13, 2014, 07:03:56 AM »

ok ta

see the difference in the quality of his tissue from pre contest ballcap shots to show date?

every body lumps anabolics into one group- they make you big. if your not big your not on. that's not necessarily true. compounds like tren even at very low doses over a very long time will promote that kind of shoulder density. he's not particularly 'big'. his overall physique isn't what you'd point to and say 'dudes gassing for sure'. it's the density of the tissue in his shoulders.

ever notice the difference between the density in shoulders between the guys in the 70's and even the average gym rat today? a lot of juicing gym rats have better shoulder caps than the pros of the 70's.

that's not due to a variation in training w more focus on shoulder work. lol thats tren. any tren user will tell you when they start back on tren their shoulders cap more and their tissue gets denser that area.

I don't know how or why what is.

the reason he beats poly and urine and why he shows up w much less density in that area come show time is no coincidence. where did his shoulders go? where'd that density and roundness go? lol that's not carb up/ flattening out issues the kid nails his conditioning.

that look- that dry grainy look is the combination of 3 things. diet anti e's and tren. the density is def tren. if it wasn't he'd carry those delts right into the show. MILLIONS of nattys diet down for shows and have the same bf levels. how many have this grainy dense look. none. miller does. that's another story. but norton sure doesn't. I have zero problem believing norton is 100% natty for that very reason.

pulling the mask off ok who's natty is less about actual 'size' but more abt the actual 'look' the natty carries.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #71 on:** October 13, 2014, 07:06:09 AM »

Quote from: no one on October 13, 2014, 07:03:56 AM

ok ta

see the difference in the quality of his tissue from pre contest ballcap shots to show date?

every body lumps anabolics into one group- they make you big. if your not big your not on. that's not necessarily true. compounds like tren even at very low doses over a very long time will promote that kind of shoulder density. he's not particularly 'big'. his overall physique isn't what you'd point to and say 'dudes gassing for sure'. it's the density of the tissue in his shoulders.

ever notice the difference between the density in shoulders between the guys in the 70's and even the average gym rat today? a lot of juicing gym rats have better shoulder caps than the pros of the 70's.

that's not due to a variation in training w more focus on shoulder work. lol thats tren. any tren user will tell you when they start back on tren their shoulders cap more and their tissue gets denser that area.

I don't know how or why what is.

the reason he beats poly and urine and why he shows up w much less density in that area come show time is no coincidence. where did his shoulders go? where'd that density and roundness go? lol that's not carb up/ flattening out issues the kid nails his conditioning.

that look- that dry grainy look is the combination of 3 things. diet anti e's and tren. the density is def tren. if it wasn't he'd carry those delts right into the show. MILLIONS of nattys diet down for shows and have the same bf levels. how many have this grainy dense look. none. miller does. that's another story. but norton sure doesn't. I have zero problem believing norton is 100% natty for that very reason.

pulling the mask off ok who's natty is less about actual 'size' but more abt the actual 'look' the natty carries.

The ball cap pics were actually taken about 3 weeks before some of the other pics so I fail to see your point.

no one · « **Reply #72 on:** October 13, 2014, 07:10:41 AM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on October 13, 2014, 07:06:09 AM

The ball cap pics were actually taken about 3 weeks before some of the other pics so I fail to see your point.

that makes my point entirely.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #73 on:** October 13, 2014, 07:11:22 AM »

Does this make your point?

Time has come once again! I am flying tomorrow morning to get there early and be ready for all the things that i have to do including my tanning, the Athlete's meetings, Testing (polygraph + Urine) the weight ins, prepare my meals for satuday etc.

Today is going to be a very very busy day...i need to make sure i dont forget anything like my posing trunks LOL! I will be training chest/delts/tris today, packing all my stuff including my foods,food scale, Music Cd's..i also need to make sure i eat all my scheduled meals for today, drink my 2 galls of water, practice my posing a little bit, etc etc...its gonna be a long day.

I will be back sunday night and i will try to post an update with my experiences monday..This is going to be a war!!!!, 19 pros already including a few guys from canada are competing this weekend.

Finally a few shots from this week

This is taken 2 days out.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #74 on:** October 13, 2014, 07:16:42 AM »

Does this make your point No One?

This is about 3 days after competing.

http://muscleandbrawn.com/forum/appreciation-threads/4078-natural-pro-francisco-montealegre-q-secction-16.html