Would you trade your gains for ultimate freedom?

[heenok]

The verdict is in, getbiggers would not look like that even if it meant the abolishment of their mental suffering and living in the beatitude of the Self.

easy to say when you have a pro looking physique  

[The True Adonis]

If you have Ultimate Freedom you don't even need Tea, which is apparent that the ole bloke in the pic still needs.

He also needed people to follow him around, take pictures of him and listen to his bullshit otherwise it was a waste of time for the "enlightened" wonder.

[The True Adonis]

A lot of posters attacking the OP for steroid usage. LOL!

This is a bodybuilding site and bodybuilding = hormones.

Yes, the enlightenment can only come at the tip of a dripping needle, 3 grams of week no less.

[BigRo]

ultimate freedom would be great. People that get there are very fortunate.
But unless you experience it and get there you never know what its like.

We have a saying =Suicide is the ultimate freedom.

true that's why trying to convince people about this is pointless whether they resonate or ridicule. I was not even attempting to convince and the anti thiest hoard come in to try and convince me I am a quack of shit. Fuck the lot of them.

I disagree with suicide being the ultimate freedom as it pertains to the body, the mind/soul continues.

[anabolichalo]

A lot of posters attacking the OP for steroid usage. LOL!

This is a bodybuilding site and bodybuilding = hormones.

the usual pussies like uberman who are afraid to use steroids but definitely would use them if they had zero health implication

[heenok]

bigro whats your spiritual life like ? are you a buddhist?

[SF1900]

Big Ro pissed off because his delusions are being challenged. He spouts his typical quackery bullshit, then gets mad when he is challenged. This is a typical response to those who believe in such foolish things such as god, psychics, ghosts, etc, and all that other mystical bullshit you want to discuss.

[no one]

if it meant looking like this?

Ramana Maharishi

why can't you have both. or all things?

in ones hiearchy of needs wants desires or whatever you wish to call it, I'm sure most people wish they could have perpetual happiness. just to be happy.

happiness is not a maintainable state. it's an artificial high. there are ups and downs a associated w it.

so ideally then for me at the top of my hiearchy is peace. you can achieve constant peace. its maintainable. how do you get there? that's the question.

Im finding my way there. I've gone quite far compared to who I used to be. I was not a nice person in my 20's. now he's still there and will always be a part of me I think. but now he's not the whole of me. he's been relegated to someone who's a memory and someone who I hate to say it protects me. he's someone I have to give up completely before I reach my true peace. I can't tell you or anyone else how to get there. the key is balancing peace w 'real life' and living within the societal bracketing we exist in.

I found a way I can live here, exist and have peace. I get why monks go to places of isolation. I understand that now. we are surrounded by peace killers. we put things in our lives that destroy our peace. you need to root those out, or recognise and not fall prey to them. I still battle 3 things detrimental to my peace that are directly tied to my old and this new self. will I conquer them. maybe. maybe I havent cause I don't really want to yet.

w/o sounding like some self help book you can have peace and look the way you want to look. you can have both. some people will get what I'm talking about. surprisingly a lot of people hate this kind of discussion. they are happy just to go day to day abt their existence w no real care that's there's a bigger picture. and that's cool. for me I see a bigger picture and the more I just let go and realise I control nothing the more peace I have. acceptance in all things -good or bad= peace.

works for me anyway

[Irongrip400]

If he's happy, and isn't bothering anyone, I got no beef with him. If he's happy with that, good for him. I would not trade places with him though.

[Wolfox]

Gotta give this free man credit tho. Not many men could forget their loved ones in pursuit of ultimate freedom.

The delusions are strong with him.

Escapist coward.

[Natural Man]

Big Ro pissed off because his delusions are being challenged. He spouts his typical quackery bullshit, then gets mad when he is challenged. This is a typical response to those who believe in such foolish things such as god, psychics, ghosts, etc, and all that other mystical bullshit you want to discuss.

Obviously, but what is even more sad is that this clown doesnt even realize the drugs he s on actually play a big part in inducing his so called state of well being. Basically he s artificially happy and confident thanks to the injections of external male hormones which are known by scientists to boost mood and confidence and probably couldnt live and face the brutal reality of life without the chemical help. But one day, he ll have to, just like everyone else. The longer the wait, the harder the crash. 

[Natural Man]

If he's happy, and isn't bothering anyone, I got no beef with him. If he's happy with that, good for him. I would not trade places with him though.

Like saying everyone "hey look at me I'm "free" -and on steroids- , you re all a bunch of negative losers who dont come close to how enlighted I am? "

It would be nothing coming from a teen girl going thru her adolescence, but coming from a so called adult known to abuse tons of steroids ?

[SF1900]

Obviously, but what is even more sad is that this clown doesnt even realize the drugs he s on actually play a big part in inducing his so called state of well being. Basically he s artificially happy and confident thanks to the injections of external male hormones which are known by scientists to boost mood and confidence and probably couldnt live and face the brutal reality of life without the chemical help. But one day, he ll have to, just like everyone else.

i wonder how he is going to be when he stops injecting and shrinks down to 150 pounds soaking wet. i wonder if he will become depressed.

[B_B_C]

The verdict is in, getbiggers would not look like that even if it meant the abolishment of their mental suffering and living in the beatitude of the Self.

"emancipate your self from mental slavery "

[The True Adonis]

why can't you have both. or all things?

in ones hiearchy of needs wants desires or whatever you wish to call it, I'm sure most people wish they could have perpetual happiness. just to be happy.

happiness is not a maintainable state. it's an artificial high. there are ups and downs a associated w it.

so ideally then for me at the top of my hiearchy is peace. you can achieve constant peace. its maintainable. how do you get there? that's the question.

Im finding my way there. I've gone quite far compared to who I used to be. I was a bad dude in my 20's. now he's still there and will always be a part of me I think. but now he's not the whole of me. he's been relegated to someone who's a memory and someone who I hate to say it protects me. he's someone I have to give up completely before I reach my true peace. I can't tell you or anyone else how to get there. the key is balancing peace w 'real life' and living within the societal bracketing we exist in.

I found a way I can live here, exist and have peace. I get why monks go to places of isolation. I understand that now. we are surrounded by peace killers. we put things in our lives that destroy our peace. you need to root those out, or recognise and not fall prey to them. I still battle 3 things detrimental to my peace that are directly tied to my old and this new self. will I conquer them. maybe. maybe I havent cause I don't really want to yet.

w/o sounding like some self help book you can have peace and look the way you want to look. you can have both. some people will get what I'm talking about. surprisingly a lot of people hate this kind of discussion. they are happy just to go day to day abt their existence w no real care that's there's a bigger picture. and that's cool. for me I see a bigger picture and the more I just let oh ahead realise I control nothing the more peace I have. acceptance in all things -good or bad= peace.

Some people cut their dicks off trying to find "peace".

With regards to the bold part, isn`t that the "peace" most delusionals try to seek anyways?

[BigRo]

why can't you have both. or all things?

in ones hiearchy of needs wants desires or whatever you wish to call it, I'm sure most people wish they could have perpetual happiness. just to be happy.

happiness is not a maintainable state. it's an artificial high. there are ups and downs a associated w it.

so ideally then for me at the top of my hiearchy is peace. you can achieve constant peace. its maintainable. how do you get there? that's the question.

Im finding my way there. I've gone quite far compared to who I used to be. I was a bad dude in my 20's. now he's still there and will always be a part of me I think. but now he's not the whole of me. he's been relegated to someone who's a memory and someone who I hate to say it protects me. he's someone I have to give up completely before I reach my true peace. I can't tell you or anyone else how to get there. the key is balancing peace w 'real life' and living within the societal bracketing we exist in.

I found a way I can live here, exist and have peace. I get why monks go to places of isolation. I understand that now. we are surrounded by peace killers. we put things in our lives that destroy our peace. you need to root those out, or recognise and not fall prey to them. I still battle 3 things detrimental to my peace that are directly tied to my old and this new self. will I conquer them. maybe. maybe I havent cause I don't really want to yet.

w/o sounding like some self help book you can have peace and look the way you want to look. you can have both. some people will get what I'm talking about. surprisingly a lot of people hate this kind of discussion. they are happy just to go day to day abt their existence w no real care that's there's a bigger picture. and that's cool. for me I see a bigger picture and the more I just let go and realise I control nothing the more peace I have. acceptance in all things -good or bad= peace.

works for me anyway

good post, thanks for the mature contribution. I was not doubting one cannot have a well built functional physique in the world and have a great deal of inner freedom and peace, it was more a question of would one trade it for the ultimate release if it was needed. We forget out bodies for the peace of sleep at night after all

[The True Adonis]

If he's happy, and isn't bothering anyone, I got no beef with him. If he's happy with that, good for him. I would not trade places with him though.

No reason though that we can`t point our fingers at him, laugh at him and tell him how much of a deluded dumbass he is though.

[Simple Simon]

Human beings are bottom of the food chain when it comes to enlightenment because we have ego.
Its constantly fucking with us, we wonder whats going to happen when we die, we start believing in all kinds of shit if we think it will allow us to be reborn/live on after we have died.

Shit, even my dog is happier than a human on that level, he doesn't fear death, he doesn't even contemplate it, in fact he doesn't know its going to happen.
He just lives every day to the full and sleeps soundly without a care in the world.

[The True Adonis]

i wonder how he is going to be when he stops injecting and shrinks down to 150 pounds soaking wet. i wonder if he will become depressed.

He will just take up hiking,biking or tennis which is what most ex-heavy users do.  Strange, but true.  Most heavy users I have ever known end up doing one of those three.

[Archer77]

Freedom from what is another question.  Even in a state of deep meditation we are judging the sensations we are experiencing in context to what we already know and experienced.  Ask anyone who has had a profound medicated experience to explain their experience and they will explain it in completely physical terms. The truth is we can't ever be free.  We are the product off our own existence

[BigRo]

Gotta give this free man credit tho. Not many men could forget their loved ones in pursuit of ultimate freedom.

The delusions are strong with him.

Escapist coward.

I thought you were more evolved than this statement reveals. Ramana graced the lives of thousands of people and shared his love with all. Your putting family life on a godlike pedestal. Its not everyone's path. All beings were this mans family.

[The True Adonis]

I thought you were more evolved than this statement reveals. Ramana graced the lives of thousands of people and shared his love with all. Your putting family life on a godlike pedestal. Its not everyone's path. All beings were this mans family.

Ramana didn`t do a goddamn thing but teach being content with laziness.  Why did he bother to go to the hospital when he had cancer? 

[Archer77]

No reason though that we can`t point our fingers at him, laugh at him and tell him how much of a deluded dumbass he is though.

Someone is fair game for criticism when they argue that a very subjective experience is objectively true.

[Wolfox]

why can't you have both. or all things?

in ones hiearchy of needs wants desires or whatever you wish to call it, I'm sure most people wish they could have perpetual happiness. just to be happy.

happiness is not a maintainable state. it's an artificial high. there are ups and downs a associated w it.

so ideally then for me at the top of my hiearchy is peace. you can achieve constant peace. its maintainable. how do you get there? that's the question.

Im finding my way there. I've gone quite far compared to who I used to be. I was not a nice person in my 20's. now he's still there and will always be a part of me I think. but now he's not the whole of me. he's been relegated to someone who's a memory and someone who I hate to say it protects me. he's someone I have to give up completely before I reach my true peace. I can't tell you or anyone else how to get there. the key is balancing peace w 'real life' and living within the societal bracketing we exist in.

I found a way I can live here, exist and have peace. I get why monks go to places of isolation. I understand that now. we are surrounded by peace killers. we put things in our lives that destroy our peace. you need to root those out, or recognise and not fall prey to them. I still battle 3 things detrimental to my peace that are directly tied to my old and this new self. will I conquer them. maybe. maybe I havent cause I don't really want to yet.

w/o sounding like some self help book you can have peace and look the way you want to look. you can have both. some people will get what I'm talking about. surprisingly a lot of people hate this kind of discussion. they are happy just to go day to day abt their existence w no real care that's there's a bigger picture. and that's cool. for me I see a bigger picture and the more I just let go and realise I control nothing the more peace I have. acceptance in all things -good or bad= peace.

works for me anyway

Amor Fati  

[BigRo]

Ramana didn`t do a goddamn thing but teach being content with laziness.  Why did he bother to go to the hospital when he had cancer? 

I see you did some reading up on him. I cannot say why he refused medical treatment. Perhaps it was part of his teaching, like Jesus allowing himself to be crucified.

One needs the utmost wakefulness and luminosity to realize the Self, laziness is a hindrance on the path.