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Hillary 2016 - Govt creates jobs not private sector
« on: October 26, 2014, 06:04:05 AM »
I dont even know where to start. Even a school child can understand that all govt does is spend other peoples earned income, while it is small, med, large corporations that invest and create jobs. Her comments on socialized healthcare are true though. Large scale, high upfront cost, complex things like healthcare, schools, police, military, transport infrastructure are usually done better by the govt if well managed.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-25/hillary-business-does-not-create-jobs-washington-does

We have a very serious problem with Hillary. I was asked years ago to review Hillary’s Commodity Trading to explain what went on. Effectively, they did trades and simply put winners in her account and the losers in her lawyer’s. This way she gets money that is laundered through the markets – something that would get her 25 years today.

People forget, but Hillary was really President – not Bill. Just 4 days after taking office, Hillary was given the authority to start a task force for healthcare reform. The problem was, her vision was unbelievable. The costs upon business were oppressive so much so that not even the Democrats could support her. When asked how was a small business mom and pop going to pay for healthcare she said if they could not afford it they should not be in business. From that moment on, my respect for her collapsed. She revealed herself as a real Marxist.

Now, that she can taste the power of Washington, and I dare say she will not be a yes person as Obama and Bush seem to be, therein lies the real danger. Giving her the power of dictator, which is the power of executive orders, I think I have to leave the USA just to be safe.

Hillary has stated when she ran the White House before regarding her idea of healthcare, “We can’t afford to have that money go to the private sector. The money has to go to the federal government because the federal government will spend that money better than the private sector will spend it.” When has that ever happened?

Hillary believes in government at the expense of the people. I do not say this lightly, because here she goes again. She just appeared at a Boston rally for Democrat gubernatorial candidate Martha Coakley on Friday. She was off the hook and amazingly told the crowd gathered at the Park Plaza Hotel not to listen to anybody who says that “businesses create jobs.”

“Don’t let anybody tell you it’s corporations and businesses create jobs,” Clinton said.

“You know that old theory, ‘trickle-down economics,’” she continued. “That has been tried, that has failed. It has failed rather spectacularly.”

“You know, one of the things my husband says when people say ‘Well, what did you bring to Washington,’ he said, ‘Well, I brought arithmetic,’” Hillary said.

I wrote an OpEd for the Wall Street Journal on Clinton’s Balanced Budget. It was smoke and mirrors. Long-term interest rates were sharply higher than short-term. Clinton shifted the national debt to save interest expenditures. He also inherited a up-cycle in the economy that always produces more taxes.

Yet she sees no problem with the math of perpetually borrowing. Perhaps she would get to the point of being unable to sell debt and just confiscate all wealth since government knows better. Their job on keeping Ebola out is just fantastic so far? Just a few people popping up here and there. Maybe everyone from New York should get a free weekend to visit Washington.

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Re: Hillary 2016 - Govt creates jobs not private sector
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2014, 07:11:13 AM »
???

"As president, I will create 12 million new jobs," – Mitt Romney, October 16.

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Re: Hillary 2016 - Govt creates jobs not private sector
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2014, 07:25:06 AM »
???

"As president, I will create 12 million new jobs," – Mitt Romney, October 16.

Jesus, your trolling is getting lurker-like without the profanities.

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Re: Hillary 2016 - Govt creates jobs not private sector
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2014, 09:31:21 AM »
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"As president, I will create 12 million new jobs," – Mitt Romney, October 16.

Anybody with a modicum of intelligence knows the government doesn't create jobs. All they can do is set conditions (taxes, regulations.......) that will be favorable to business.
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Re: Hillary 2016 - Govt creates jobs not private sector
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2014, 10:12:04 AM »
Anybody with a modicum of intelligence knows the government doesn't create jobs. All they can do is set conditions (taxes, regulations.......) that will be favorable to business.

agree.   politicians make all sorts of bonehead statements, depending upon the room they're in.  Romney didn't sing "who let the dogs out" in a room full of millionaires, and he didn't chide the 47% of worthless scum when he was on the street meeting urban youth.  And the spray tan for univiison... lol...

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Re: Hillary 2016 - Govt creates jobs not private sector
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2014, 11:32:15 AM »
???

"As president, I will create 12 million new jobs," – Mitt Romney, October 16.

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Re: Hillary 2016 - Govt creates jobs not private sector
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2014, 01:37:05 PM »
Romney certainly has a far better business track record than Hillary's nonexistent one. He'd know far more about creating an environment that fosters job growth than she would.

But it doesn't matter - she's who the media want, and they've already convinced the majority to vote for her... at least so far. If another Obama emerges, or if someone like Oprah would run, they'd probably throw Hillary under the bus again.
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Re: Hillary 2016 - Govt creates jobs not private sector
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2014, 09:48:40 AM »
???

"As president, I will create 12 million new jobs," – Mitt Romney, October 16.

The board's biggest Obama/liberal apologist to the rescue. 

I don't see that quote from Romney.  According to the transcript, here is what he said:

"That’s why I put out a five-point plan that gets America 12 million new jobs in four years and rising take-home pay. It’s going to help Jeremy get a job when he comes a out of school. It’s going to help people across the country that are unemployed right now."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/16/us/politics/transcript-of-the-second-presidential-debate-in-hempstead-ny.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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Re: Hillary 2016 - Govt creates jobs not private sector
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2014, 09:52:00 AM »
The board's biggest Obama/liberal apologist to the rescue. 

I don't see that quote from Romney.  According to the transcript, here is what he said:

"That’s why I put out a five-point plan that gets America 12 million new jobs in four years and rising take-home pay. It’s going to help Jeremy get a job when he comes a out of school. It’s going to help people across the country that are unemployed right now."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/16/us/politics/transcript-of-the-second-presidential-debate-in-hempstead-ny.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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Re: Hillary 2016 - Govt creates jobs not private sector
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2014, 10:05:30 AM »

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Re: Hillary 2016 - Govt creates jobs not private sector
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2014, 10:14:34 AM »
I don't see that quote from Romney.  According to the transcript, here is what he said:

Right at :14, to start the video, Romney's exact quote is: "I Have a Plan to Create 12 Million Jobs".


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Re: Hillary 2016 - Govt creates jobs not private sector
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2014, 10:16:40 AM »
Right at :14, to start the video, Romney's exact quote is: "I Have a Plan to Create 12 Million Jobs".



Why did you post a false quote, particularly when it had nothing to do with what Hillary said? 

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Re: Hillary 2016 - Govt creates jobs not private sector
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2014, 10:52:57 AM »
The board's biggest Obama/liberal apologist to the rescue. 

I don't see that quote from Romney.  According to the transcript, here is what he said:

"That’s why I put out a five-point plan that gets America 12 million new jobs in four years and rising take-home pay. It’s going to help Jeremy get a job when he comes a out of school. It’s going to help people across the country that are unemployed right now."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/16/us/politics/transcript-of-the-second-presidential-debate-in-hempstead-ny.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

I love how specific he is and on detailed that 5 point plan was, so well thought out. lol

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Re: Hillary 2016 - Govt creates jobs not private sector
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2014, 12:03:23 PM »
I love how specific he is and on detailed that 5 point plan was, so well thought out. lol

Don't fall on 240's lame trap of taking the focus off of killary. She's a fucking bafoon and anyone who falls for what she said is one as well.

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Re: Hillary 2016 - Govt creates jobs not private sector
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2014, 12:05:39 PM »
She's not wrong and I'm sure her comments have been taken out of context by the usual Uneducated Unwashed.

I'm an employer. 5 full time staff and numerous contract staff. The reason I employ 5 people instead of simply contracting the work out (at far less cost and hassle to myself) is because the NZ National Party has created a favourable business environment making it cost effective to employ. We've just had a general election and if the idiotic liberal Labour party got voted in, tax would've been raised by several percentage point (they despise rich people or hardworking successful people)  and I most likely would've let all my staff go as it's a government contract with fixed pricing and very little margin for negotiation. It wouldn't have made it worth it to even run the business with such little profit. Everyone would've been contracting with no job security,  no holiday/sick pay, no benefits and a one day notice period.

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Re: Hillary 2016 - Govt creates jobs not private sector
« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2014, 12:17:04 PM »
She's not wrong and I'm sure her comments have been taken out of context by the usual Uneducated Unwashed.

I'm an employer. 5 full time staff and numerous contract staff. The reason I employ 5 people instead of simply contracting the work out (at far less cost and hassle to myself) is because the NZ National Party has created a favourable business environment making it cost effective to employ. We've just had a general election and if the idiotic liberal Labour party got voted in, tax would've been raised by several percentage point (they despise rich people or hardworking successful people)  and I most likely would've let all my staff go as it's a government contract with fixed pricing and very little margin for negotiation. It wouldn't have made it worth it to even run the business with such little profit. Everyone would've been contracting with no job security,  no holiday/sick pay, no benefits and a one day notice period.

Lord I despise liberal scumbags that thieve from the successful to pull up the worthless and unproductive

 This is America where liberals have zero business sense what so ever. They have no desire to create a business environment suitable for the private sector. Businesses are leaving liberal states to other business friendly states and leaving the country. We have the highest corporate tax in the world. Liberals are high on raising even more state, local, fed tax and raising min wage thinking it's going to help the economy. They come up band-aid solutions, nothing long term. Long term not short term solutions is whats needed.

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Re: Hillary 2016 - Govt creates jobs not private sector
« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2014, 12:27:08 PM »
She's not wrong and I'm sure her comments have been taken out of context by the usual Uneducated Unwashed.

I'm an employer. 5 full time staff and numerous contract staff. The reason I employ 5 people instead of simply contracting the work out (at far less cost and hassle to myself) is because the NZ National Party has created a favourable business environment making it cost effective to employ. We've just had a general election and if the idiotic liberal Labour party got voted in, tax would've been raised by several percentage point (they despise rich people or hardworking successful people)  and I most likely would've let all my staff go as it's a government contract with fixed pricing and very little margin for negotiation. It wouldn't have made it worth it to even run the business with such little profit. Everyone would've been contracting with no job security,  no holiday/sick pay, no benefits and a one day notice period.

Lord I despise liberal scumbags that thieve from the successful to pull up the worthless and unproductive

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Re: Hillary 2016 - Govt creates jobs not private sector
« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2014, 12:48:21 PM »
Don't fall on 240's lame trap of taking the focus off of killary. She's a fucking bafoon and anyone who falls for what she said is one as well.

Exactly.

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Re: Hillary 2016 - Govt creates jobs not private sector
« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2014, 12:51:58 PM »
He derailed the entire thread with that shit.....Hil said XYZ...debate that 240. I know your itching to vote for the first woman just like the first black..cause that shit matters.
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Re: Hillary 2016 - Govt creates jobs not private sector
« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2014, 02:09:26 PM »
Don't fall on 240's lame trap of taking the focus off of killary. She's a fucking bafoon and anyone who falls for what she said is one as well.

I hate hilary's fcking guts.   I hate bill clinton's fcking guts. 

I'm sure you know that, right?  Even my biggest opponents on this board have to remember how much I've shit on her over the years.  They disgust me.  However, I think her infrastructure and the current political climate makes her the favorite in 2016.

Of course, some people can't tell difference between predicting and endorsing, lol, so...

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Re: Hillary 2016 - Govt creates jobs not private sector
« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2014, 04:01:42 PM »
I hate hilary's fcking guts.   I hate bill clinton's fcking guts. 

I'm sure you know that, right?  Even my biggest opponents on this board have to remember how much I've shit on her over the years.  They disgust me.  However, I think her infrastructure and the current political climate makes her the favorite in 2016.

Of course, some people can't tell difference between predicting and endorsing, lol, so...

Is that why you made it about Romney?

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Re: Hillary 2016 - Govt creates jobs not private sector
« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2014, 04:47:15 PM »
He derailed the entire thread with that shit.....Hil said XYZ...debate that 240. I know your itching to vote for the first woman just like the first black..cause that shit matters.

Wait a sec, though.  What's XYZ?  I mean, what did Hillary say?  I don't see a quote from her recent speech that says that she said "The government creates jobs".  The zerohedge article doesn't say that.

From what I've read, she said "Businesses don't create jobs, customers do."

And, if that's what she said then I can still see some people having an argument with it but you can see her point, can't you?;  If customers don't have much income, they won't be able to keep most businesses "in business."  And if businesses go out of business since there aren't folks with money to patronize them, then whatever jobs were available as part of that business will be gone, too.

Lots of reasons to not like Hillary but her saying this ain't one of 'em, imo.

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Re: Hillary 2016 - Govt creates jobs not private sector
« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2014, 04:55:52 PM »
Wait a sec, though.  What's XYZ?  I mean, what did Hillary say?  I don't see a quote from her recent speech that says that she said "The government creates jobs".  The zerohedge article doesn't say that.

From what I've read, she said "Businesses don't create jobs, customers do."

And, if that's what she said then I can still see some people having an argument with it but you can see her point, can't you?;  If customers don't have much income, they won't be able to keep most businesses "in business."  And if businesses go out of business since there aren't folks with money to patronize them, then whatever jobs were available as part of that business will be gone, too.

Lots of reasons to not like Hillary but her saying this ain't one of 'em, imo.

What are you reading?  Daily Kos?  Democratic Underground? 


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Re: Hillary 2016 - Govt creates jobs not private sector
« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2014, 05:07:07 PM »
That's a bold statement - she must be wearing an economic wig.

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Re: Hillary 2016 - Govt creates jobs not private sector
« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2014, 05:38:58 PM »
What are you reading?  Daily Kos?  Democratic Underground? 



Haha, well, I'm not reading NewsMax, that's for sure, lol.

You're right that she didn't say the "customers do (create jobs)" part in the youtube clip you've posted.  (Maybe she did somewhere else where she's given a variation of this speech? -- I'll find out and get back to you, I promise.)

But she doesn't say that the government does, either.  Did you post the wrong clip?