slin without gh

[spiro]

I was thinking about trying 10 iu humalog pre workout. Doing something like 4 weeks on 4 weeks off. I can't afford hgh. I have been doing a lot of reading and everyone uses these fancy shakes intraworkout with 500 different ingredients. Anyone have a simpler way of going about this. I'm looking to pack on some more size get some fullness and the sick pump I read about.

[lilhawk1]

Peptopro, highly branched cyclic dextrin, creatine, and humalog.  Works far better with GH, but those are the ingredients you need.  Inject humalog, drink shake #1, then sip on shake #2 during workout.

[oni]

Peptopro, highly branched cyclic dextrin, creatine, and humalog.  Works far better with GH, but those are the ingredients you need.  Inject humalog, drink shake #1, then sip on shake #2 during workout.

Those two first ingredients are these just BCAA and sugar?

[ritch]

Those two first ingredients are these just BCAA and sugar?

no but that's all you need as those shakes cost way to much for what they produce.
And why by the super high tech carbs if you gonna use slin? It's gonna get to the muscle from the slin anyway. Seems like an even bigger waste of cash.

YOu absolutely don't need gh with slin.

[DAGON666]

no but that's all you need as those shakes cost way to much for what they produce.
And why by the super high tech carbs if you gonna use slin? It's gonna get to the muscle from the slin anyway. Seems like an even bigger waste of cash.

YOu absolutely don't need gh with slin.

I agree you don't need GH to run slin and make gains. However it does make a difference w GH.

[ritch]

I agree you don't need GH to run slin and make gains. However it does make a difference w GH.

In an ideal world, we would ALL be on ulimited GH, lol!!!
Soooo expensive....

[spiro]

no but that's all you need as those shakes cost way to much for what they produce.
And why by the super high tech carbs if you gonna use slin? It's gonna get to the muscle from the slin anyway. Seems like an even bigger waste of cash.

YOu absolutely don't need gh with slin.

What kind of shake would you suggest?

[ritch]

What kind of shake would you suggest?

easy.
Gatorade powder with unflavored bcaa.
you can add glutamine if you prefer.
I've gone up to 130 carbs intra with 40grams bcaa. Yes... Many will say huge waste. 20-30grams is still pretty good.

Then post workout shake with some carb powder and pinneaple juice and a good 50 grams protein works. Go for 80 grams of carbs total between carb (I use malto, many shit on it, I don't care...) and pineapple juice. I use close to 500ml which gives say 50 grams of carbs and 50 grams of malto.
 
then 1-2 hours later a big meal with lots of carbs, 100gr easy and another 40-50 grams of protein from meat.

Gonna point out, I'm an ecto and slin or not, I eat very close to this anyway. But still gives you an idea..

[lilhawk1]

Those two first ingredients are these just BCAA and sugar?

No, they're not just BCAA and sugar, and yes it does make a difference what ingredients you use.  They're not expensive online.  GH does not have to be used with slin, but the difference is night and day when you do.  Pharm grade GH, not the new popular color top from China.  Those don't deserve to be called GH.

[ritch]

No, they're not just BCAA and sugar, and yes it does make a difference what ingredients you use.  They're not expensive online.  GH does not have to be used with slin, but the difference is night and day when you do.  Pharm grade GH, not the new popular color top from China.  Those don't deserve to be called GH.

haha!

What do you think hawk of not injecting more than .5 units of gh being a waste?

[ritch]

But hawk... Have you seriously seen real life differences with that super expensive carb powder? It's more expensive than protein powder for christ sakes, lol! And I need lots of carbs, stuff is disgustingly sweet, would go hypo.

And please answer why it's needed as slin will shuttle everything anyway.

I think for an endomorph, it could be useful as when they stimulate their insulin, they get fatter.

But average people won't see anything. I have yet to see a person change using it and it costs so much to use. More than what I spend on gear per month to use it the same time. Not joking one bit here...

[ritch]

fancy shakes aside, I think to make slin work best, you need to eat CALORIES.
To just simply this, you could just take a dose of humalin R post training. It will cover your next 3ish meals and allow nice recovery.

I like intra workout drinks, but slin kinda pushes me to over consume alot in a short period and that may be hard on your stomach.

Big eating/cals come naturally to me post training, the slin will make you hungrier and since I like nutrient timing, post training is a good time as it just speeds everything up.

To gain actual size though, 2 shots are needed.

So in the end, slin usage means being close to food and being able to eat it when that shit peaks as humlin R is like clock work, peaks 2 hours later and I better have a high calorie drink or food ready. Or the symptoms hit and you just feel like you're fucked if you don't eat. It happens to everyone who dabbles in this, just try not to have it happen on a date as I did once, lol... sweated my clothes out, it was totally disgusting, winter time as well so I froze after, fuck...

[lilhawk1]

.5 iu of GH?  I've never heard of anyone using that small of a dose.  Super expensive carb powder?  It's $9.00 per pound, and Highly branched cyclic dextrin is not sweet like dextrose.  Yes, it does work better than gatorade, as  I have used both, and the combo of Peptopro and HBCD's is far better.   Humalog is needed to shuttle the nutrients into the muscle during the workout.  These shakes are a waste without  injecting slin, the amount of slin secreted by the pancreas is miniscule and will not come close to shuttling anything like injecting humalog  preworkout, whole  different ballgame. You're not gonna get fat using slin preworkout, even without GH.  

[ritch]

If you find $9lbs reasonable and the amount needed in my case, then we have totally different meanings of that word. And that is not the Canadian price? From the states pretty sure, so add all the shiping it's not cheap. 

[lilhawk1]

fancy shakes aside, I think to make slin work best, you need to eat CALORIES.
To just simply this, you could just take a dose of humalin R post training. It will cover your next 3ish meals and allow nice recovery.

I like intra workout drinks, but slin kinda pushes me to over consume alot in a short period and that may be hard on your stomach.

Big eating/cals come naturally to me post training, the slin will make you hungrier and since I like nutrient timing, post training is a good time as it just speeds everything up.

To gain actual size though, 2 shots are needed.

So in the end, slin usage means being close to food and being able to eat it when that shit peaks as humlin R is like clock work, peaks 2 hours later and I better have a high calorie drink or food ready. Or the symptoms hit and you just feel like you're fucked if you don't eat. It happens to everyone who dabbles in this, just try not to have it happen on a date as I did once, lol... sweated my clothes out, it was totally disgusting, winter time as well so I froze after, fuck...

I agree, for slin and GH to work best, you need high quality calories.  I use humalog pre, and sometimes I will take another shot post workout as well.  I've used R before, but prefer Humalog.  Going hypo does suck.  Only happened a couple times, but not a good feeling.

[ritch]

I agree, for slin and GH to work best, you need high quality calories.  I use humalog pre, and sometimes I will take another shot post workout as well.  I've used R before, but prefer Humalog.  Going hypo does suck.  Only happened a couple times, but not a good feeling.

I did a shot pre and post as well. But then just said, the hell with it and would do humalin R with pre workout meal so it would peak while I train and still work in post workout period.

All these methods have some truth to them, the one chosen often best fits the person's lifestyle/schedule... But those shots get painful, would hate to have to shoot that shit ed for life...

[lilhawk1]

What kind of shake would you suggest?

Here is my preworkout plan:

3iu Serostim, 30 minutes later 12iu Humalog, then drink shake #1, then 10 minutes later start training, and sip on shake #2 finishing it by endd of workout.  Both shakes are the same and contain the following:

30g Peptopro
50g Highly Branched Cyclic Dextrin
5g Creatine
5g Glutamine
Crystal Light or Sugar free Kool-Aid is used for  flavoring.
Post workout meal is Oatmeal and liquid egg whites after getting home from gym.  Some days another 5-10 iu shot of Humalog is used after workout as well.  This has worked the best for me by far and I have tried different ingredients.  The big thing is zero bloat, or stomach upset with this.

[lilhawk1]

I did a shot pre and post as well. But then just said, the hell with it and would do humalin R with pre workout meal so it would peak while I train and still work in post workout period.

All these methods have some truth to them, the one chosen often best fits the person's lifestyle/schedule... But those shots get painful, would hate to have to shoot that shit ed for life...

Very true, everyone reacts differently to slin and GH.  Some need a lot more carbs, others not so much.  just have to tinker with it to find out what works for  your body.  You keep slin at room temp?  It doesn't sting as much  if you do.  If it's cold it seems to bite a bit.  It is good for a month at room temp after you start using the pen, actually longger, but Lilly says a month.

[ritch]

Very true, everyone reacts differently to slin and GH.  Some need a lot more carbs, others not so much.  just have to tinker with it to find out what works for  your body.  You keep slin at room temp?  It doesn't sting as much  if you do.  If it's cold it seems to bite a bit.  It is good for a month at room temp after you start using the pen, actually longger, but Lilly says a month.

I keep it in the fridge. But dit notice some shots were stinging pre workout the last few weeks, why? It got cold,, so I think you're right on that, great tip!

Nice place in Canada to buy online and they ship express cold pack as well.

[lilhawk1]

Yeah, i started keeping mine at room temp after i read that on a diabetic forum.  I bet i get it at the same place you do from up North.  Very good service

[epcfitness]

Just wondering why waste all your money on fancy expensive shake ingredients when you can use the money towards more gear? Here's what I do and never even came close being hypo

Wake up shoot 10iu humilin r. 30 mins after shot is administered eat meal 1
5 whole jumbo eggs 1 cup oatmeal with blueberries and a banana

2 hours later 2 cups of rice 6oz chicken breast

1 hour 30 min preworkout shoot 10-15iu humulin r, 30 minutes later eat meal 3
2 cups rice 6oz chicken breast - wait 1 hour then go train

training lasts 40-50 minutes usually, go home and eat 8oz steak 2 cups white rice

That's 4 meals covered by insulin and with this timing I have never went anywhere close to being hypo, so what is all the need for fancy expensive shakes?

[lilhawk1]

Just wondering why waste all your money on fancy expensive shake ingredients when you can use the money towards more gear? Here's what I do and never even came close being hypo

Wake up shoot 10iu humilin r. 30 mins after shot is administered eat meal 1
5 whole jumbo eggs 1 cup oatmeal with blueberries and a banana

2 hours later 2 cups of rice 6oz chicken breast

1 hour 30 min preworkout shoot 10-15iu humulin r, 30 minutes later eat meal 3
2 cups rice 6oz chicken breast - wait 1 hour then go train

training lasts 40-50 minutes usually, go home and eat 8oz steak 2 cups white rice

That's 4 meals covered by insulin and with this timing I have never went anywhere close to being hypo, so what is all the need for fancy expensive shakes?

Because 1.  I have all the gear and GH I need and pay pennies for it 2. The ingredients aren't fancy, aren't expensive to me and easily affordable 3.  This protocol works, I don't do it for fear of going hypo, there is actually science behind it if you take the time to research it you wouldn't have to ask.  You've clearly never tried it, if you did you wouldn't be using the protocol you have listed above.   

[ProudVirgin69]

If you can get humalog, you might have better luck than I did.

I tried first with the "carblessPWO" approach, so 2IUs after the workout followed by no carbs/no fats while the insulin was active.  It was a pain in the ass, and I didn't see results commensurate with my efforts, so I scrapped it.

I did try it pre-workout a few times, with a carb/bcaa shake.  I managed to nail the timing once, and that was pretty sweet workout...I was training legs but my whole body got an AWESOME pump somehow.  All the other times, I had to worry too much about going hypo and it ruined my workout.


Give it a try, unless you're a total dumbass there isn't really anything to worry about.  But I think that insulin is really only useful for GH users, to counter the GH-induced insulin resistance.

[spiro]

If you did go hypo would quick consumption of a sugary soda or fruit juice take care of it pretty quick? If I use so in I was thinking about keeping a big coke around just in case.

[ProudVirgin69]

If you did go hypo would quick consumption of a sugary soda or fruit juice take care of it pretty quick? If I use so in I was thinking about keeping a big coke around just in case.

Yeah that would clear it up, but it still takes 5-10 minutes to return to feeling normal.  Not the best circumstances for an intense workout.  I would keep a big thing of Countrytime lemonade in my gym bag and toss a couple scoops back if I started getting dizzy.

GH will make you less likely to go hypo, which is why I think the slin/GH monsters are able to workout on slin without an issue.

Like I said, just try it for yourself.  Start with 1-2IU and 10g carbs/IU.  Slowly bump the slin up and bring the carbs down over time.  The goal is to use as much slin with as little carbs as possible, eg: 10IU slin and 60g carbs.  Finding what works best for you is just a matter of experimentation.