NYPD - Once again, New York's 'finest' behaving like children.

[240 is Back]

I disagree.  I don't live in NY, but I heard cops helped bring the crime rate down tremendously in NYC.

WTF?    Cops suddenly started becoming more effective?   

LOL "Cops brought down the crime rate which was achieved with these exact same cops at the wheel"?    LMAO

[Skip8282]

Hahahhahahah millions of fergusons nationwide riot, loot, burn, shut down highways, block malls, and shooting at cops, and not a peep.

But a few cops turn their backs to a anti-cop politician, AND OMG THEY ARE ACTING CHILDISH!!! 

The hypocrisy of the lefties knows no bounds.

lol...I think that might be the first time here I've ever been called a lefty.  Now that's some funny shit.

[240 is Back]

lol...I think that might be the first time here I've ever been called a lefty.  Now that's some funny shit.

you are a republican that has shown you believe police that don't follow procedure shouldn't be allowed to get away with it.

These days, that is rare.  They're so pro-law enforcement that they don't give a shit if the cops themselves follow the rules lol.   Props to you for the stance you have.

[Skip8282]

Because the number bad apples are small and do not overshadow all the good law enforcement does, including helping bring down the crime rate in NYC.  What's ironic is you anti-law enforcement people will be the first ones calling 911 when you have a problem. 

Exactly what I said earlier:  ran on an anti-cop platform, held a press conference and blamed the Garner death on centuries of racism, and told the world that he has to teach his son to be afraid of the cops.

Because that's not what is seen.  In fact, I would argue there exists a clear overall trend of law enforcement being abusive.  Hell, I'm arguing with a cop in another thread who feels that cops should be allowed to unlawfully arrest people and they shouldn't have a right to resist.

No, many see this over-militarization trend, it's not just a few bad apples.  Cops getting MRAPs, using SWAT teams over relatively minor infractions, disproportionately going after minorities....the list be long and the blue wall be strong.

Now, I think it's fair to say that it's still the minority of cases, but the trend, IMO is clearly moving it to the majority.

And yes, a handful of bad apples really causes a problem for ALL public employees.  You're crying in another thread about Obama golfing through a wedding.  That was a bad judgment by a few bad employees, namely those responsible for telling them to move for the Prez, rather telling the Prez there was a wedding going on.

[tonymctones]

they shouldn't have a right to resist.

seriously skip, do you think garner was right in resisting arrest?

[Skip8282]

seriously skip, do you think garner was right in resisting arrest?

Absolutely not.

What I've tried to convey to you (apparently unsuccessfully) is that I don't think the force used to subdue him was commesurate with his resistance.

I think the trend is that cops want to argue that even the slightest amount of resistance justifies any degree of force and that they should dictate to the public what force is justified.

I think the public should always dictate the amount of force cops can use against us.

But, there are plenty who see it the cops way, so as I noted in the past, I don't think this will ever be something that can agreed upon.  Just have to lobby our legislators who share our beliefs (on either side).

[tonymctones]

Absolutely not.

What I've tried to convey to you (apparently unsuccessfully) is that I don't think the force used to subdue him was commesurate with his resistance.

I think the trend is that cops want to argue that even the slightest amount of resistance justifies any degree of force and that they should dictate to the public what force is justified.

I think the public should always dictate the amount of force cops can use against us.

But, there are plenty who see it the cops way, so as I noted in the past, I don't think this will ever be something that can agreed upon.  Just have to lobby our legislators who share our beliefs (on either side).

I think there should be a lot of common ground in that arena. I agree their actions were aggressive and the situation could have been handled better but I dont think it warrants criminal charges.

Both the cops and the public should have a say in it. The public will lean their way leaving the cops open to harm and injury and the cops their way leaving the public open to the same.

The public shouldnt have sole discretion, if they did you would have cops trying to tase a guy pointing a gun at them or trying to shoot a charging suspect in the leg

both suggestions to how cops could have handled recent events....

[240 is Back]

Check out the lovely NYPD insult/curse/ then throw this man to the ground.  For legally dancing.

Make it illegal, or charge him with a crime if you want to say he impeded your chillin on the corner.  but that's straight assault at the end of the tape, hurling him to the ground like that. 

inexcusable.  This cop should be fired.  but he's at work today - and people wonder why the disgust for NYPD is so high - why didn't the other 4 cops standing there file a report saying they saw their buddy assault a civilian who hadn't broken a law?

WHY?

[Skip8282]

Check out the lovely NYPD insult/curse/ then throw this man to the ground.  For legally dancing.

Make it illegal, or charge him with a crime if you want to say he impeded your chillin on the corner.  but that's straight assault at the end of the tape, hurling him to the ground like that. 

inexcusable.  This cop should be fired.  but he's at work today - and people wonder why the disgust for NYPD is so high - why didn't the other 4 cops standing there file a report saying they saw their buddy assault a civilian who hadn't broken a law?

WHY?

It's Deblasio's fault. 

[tonymctones]

Check out the lovely NYPD insult/curse/ then throw this man to the ground.  For legally dancing.

Make it illegal, or charge him with a crime if you want to say he impeded your chillin on the corner.  but that's straight assault at the end of the tape, hurling him to the ground like that.  

inexcusable.  This cop should be fired.  but he's at work today - and people wonder why the disgust for NYPD is so high - why didn't the other 4 cops standing there file a report saying they saw their buddy assault a civilian who hadn't broken a law?

WHY?

do you really think in light of all the shit that has happened in NY that sneaking up behind a cop and fucking about is a great idea?

The cops overreacted for sure but look at both sides of the equation you numb nut fuck.

[Dos Equis]

Did you consider anything he said to be damning by your own standard?

I don't use that phrase to describe much of anything. 

[Dos Equis]

WTF?    Cops suddenly started becoming more effective?   

LOL "Cops brought down the crime rate which was achieved with these exact same cops at the wheel"?    LMAO

Shut up troll. 

[Dos Equis]

Because that's not what is seen.  In fact, I would argue there exists a clear overall trend of law enforcement being abusive.  Hell, I'm arguing with a cop in another thread who feels that cops should be allowed to unlawfully arrest people and they shouldn't have a right to resist.

No, many see this over-militarization trend, it's not just a few bad apples.  Cops getting MRAPs, using SWAT teams over relatively minor infractions, disproportionately going after minorities....the list be long and the blue wall be strong.

Now, I think it's fair to say that it's still the minority of cases, but the trend, IMO is clearly moving it to the majority.

And yes, a handful of bad apples really causes a problem for ALL public employees.  You're crying in another thread about Obama golfing through a wedding.  That was a bad judgment by a few bad employees, namely those responsible for telling them to move for the Prez, rather telling the Prez there was a wedding going on.

Police presence, increased weaponry, etc. are a response to crime problems.  You don't see those kinds of things in low crime neighborhoods.  I have no problem with law enforcement taking steps to protect themselves.  They're doing that so we law abiding citizens will be protected from the minority of people who break the law. 

Yes, there are some who will indict an entire group based on the actions of a few, but that isn't reasonable. 

I'm not crying about anything regarding Obama interfering with a couple's wedding so he could play a round of golf.  I'm simply calling it exactly what it is:  a dirtbag move by a selfish, incredibly poor leader.  Not sure what that has to do with this subject? 

[240 is Back]

do you really think in light of all the shit that has happened in NY that sneaking up behind a cop and fucking about is a great idea?

The cops overreacted for sure but look at both sides of the equation you numb nut fuck.

"A good idea"?   no.  

Legal?  Yes.

And "The cops overreacted"?  WTF?  The cop committed assault on a citizen that broke no law. That cop should be fired.  If a teacher did this to a parent, that teacher is fired.  If a fireman did this to a person, they're fired. If a chef does this to a customer, he's fired.

Yet there isn't outrage why this cop isn't fired?   Yes, the political climate says if you try this, you'll be swarmed with cops, searched, and yes, they might say some angry things to you.  All that happened.  

BUT THE CLIMATE DOES NOT EXCUSE ASSAULT.   Period.

[240 is Back]

The cops overreacted for sure but look at both sides of the equation you numb nut fuck.

Cops are given a gun, taser, baton, and training.
Cops are given months of pre- training and years of on job training.

They're paid not to over-react and assault people that do annoying shit.  Just as the cashier at Mcdonalds isn't allow to shove someone to concrete who annoys them, the cop can't do it either.

When Malvo was shooting people at Michael's craft stores, cashiers at Michaels were not allowed to commit assault on people. 

There is no "both sides of the equation", so the dumb fuck in this situation ain't me, pal.    There's one side - the freaking law.  That's it.  This cop broke it by shoving a civilian who had done no crime.  Period. 

The cop shoudl be in cuffs, and anyone who says it's okay to abandon the law when police are annoyed, you deserve bird shit on your car, brah. 

[Jack T. Cross]

I blame the smartphone industry for putting video cameras in every phone. 

Let's also not forget the contribution of youtube, the internet in general and viewers' lying eyes.

If a cop suffocates a citizen in a forest without any witnesses, who can really say if the citizen was able to breathe or not?

Seriously, though, I think it's reasonable for cops and cop-sympathizers to be concerned that folks who are speaking out (including the mayor) are causing the mainstream public to feel that the police abuse issue is more widespread than it really is. 

However, if police abuse really is a rare thing, then I don't see why it's taboo for cops to come down like a ton of bricks on the "bad" cops without whom there wouldn't be the kind of situation we have today.

Good question.

[tonymctones]

Good question.

same reason most people dont rat out co-workers in other fields of work...

[tonymctones]

Cops are given a gun, taser, baton, and training.
Cops are given months of pre- training and years of on job training.

They're paid not to over-react and assault people that do annoying shit.  Just as the cashier at Mcdonalds isn't allow to shove someone to concrete who annoys them, the cop can't do it either.

When Malvo was shooting people at Michael's craft stores, cashiers at Michaels were not allowed to commit assault on people. 

There is no "both sides of the equation", so the dumb fuck in this situation ain't me, pal.    There's one side - the freaking law.  That's it.  This cop broke it by shoving a civilian who had done no crime.  Period. 

The cop shoudl be in cuffs, and anyone who says it's okay to abandon the law when police are annoyed, you deserve bird shit on your car, brah. 

LMFAO when did you learn your wife had been fucking a cop?

seriously assualt? fuck off moron

[Jack T. Cross]

I don't use that phrase to describe much of anything. 

Something you'd want to say damn him! about. How's that?

[Jack T. Cross]

same reason most people dont rat out co-workers in other fields of work...

Please don't tell me you can't recognize the seriousness of this, regarding the cops.

[tonymctones]

Please don't tell me you can't recognize the seriousness of this, regarding the cops.

oh no I agree with you and I do but you asked why and I gave you a very plausible explanition. Cops are still human no matter how much you feel they should never make mistakes.

[Skip8282]

Cops are given a gun, taser, baton, and training.
Cops are given months of pre- training and years of on job training.

They're paid not to over-react and assault people that do annoying shit.  Just as the cashier at Mcdonalds isn't allow to shove someone to concrete who annoys them, the cop can't do it either.

Exactly, if they want to be known as professionals, then they should start acting and behaving as professionals.

[tonymctones]

Exactly, if they want to be known as professionals, then they should start acting and behaving as professionals.

do you think they should be charged with assault?

[Skip8282]

Police presence, increased weaponry, etc. are a response to crime problems.  You don't see those kinds of things in low crime neighborhoods.  I have no problem with law enforcement taking steps to protect themselves.  They're doing that so we law abiding citizens will be protected from the minority of people who break the law. 

Yes, there are some who will indict an entire group based on the actions of a few, but that isn't reasonable. 

I'm not crying about anything regarding Obama interfering with a couple's wedding so he could play a round of golf.  I'm simply calling it exactly what it is:  a dirtbag move by a selfish, incredibly poor leader.  Not sure what that has to do with this subject? 

lol...your hatred runs deep.  And no, we don't see it as a response to an increase in crime.  In fact, there's plenty out there showing MRAPs getting scooped up by tiny little PDs.  It's, to me at least, a clear trend.  And, an unfortunate one.

[Jack T. Cross]

oh no I agree with you and I do but you asked why and I gave you a very plausible explanition. Cops are still human no matter how much you feel they should never make mistakes.

So when you see an outrageous story involving a crooked cop, and you notice that he's been a cop for many years, that is the reason.

You've described the perfect formula for a culture of corruption: exactly as it exists, right now. That's what it is.