NYPD - Once again, New York's 'finest' behaving like children.

[Skip8282]

do you think they should be charged with assault?

In this case, I probably would not. 

[240 is Back]

LMFAO when did you learn your wife had been fucking a cop?

seriously assualt? fuck off moron

I guess it would actually be BATTERY.   He shoved the man so hard he flew a few feet and landed flat on concrete. 

He launched his ass.  Yes, that's a crime.  If I walk up to a man on the street and launch him like that, my ass is going to jail.

Tony, suddenly you believe police are above battery laws. I get it.  Just admit you accept a police state and suspend your right.  Be that kind of sheep.  I'll pass.   

That man was assaulted, battered, whatever you want to call it.  Shoved to the ground by a cop that just cussed him out.  I never would have thought you, tony, would be such a submissive to such use of unprovoked force.  But here we are.

[Dos Equis]

Something you'd want to say damn him! about. How's that?

I don't really talk like that, but if you're asking me about inappropriate things he said, I already said what those things were.

[240 is Back]

In this case, I probably would not.  

Why "IN THIS CASE"?    

Maybe if it was an IMMEDIATE reponse to the close proximity, I could see your point - I was tossing him to create space, I feared for cop's safety, etc.

but this was AFTER they searched him, cussed him out, he was explaining and apologizing, and he was up against the cop car, ,completely not resisting, completely obeying the cops.

He was shoved to the ground as punishment, not as part of police mgmt.  He was issued a "parting shot".  

I am literally shocked that a conservative like yourself is okay with cops shoving people hard to concrete as parting shots.  Shocked, really.   You yell about obama stealing our rights, but you're okay when cops do it?   Fuck, man.

[Skip8282]

I guess it would actually be BATTERY.   He shoved the man so hard he flew a few feet and landed flat on concrete. 

He launched his ass.  Yes, that's a crime.  If I walk up to a man on the street and launch him like that, my ass is going to jail.

Tony, suddenly you believe police are above battery laws. I get it.  Just admit you accept a police state and suspend your right.  Be that kind of sheep.  I'll pass.   

That man was assaulted, battered, whatever you want to call it.  Shoved to the ground by a cop that just cussed him out.  I never would have thought you, tony, would be such a submissive to such use of unprovoked force.  But here we are.

We would need more info, but this seems like the cops were engaged in some type of duty and he was clowning in front of them.  Maybe a distraction for something else.  I'm not big on them pushing him off, but we really need to know more.

[Skip8282]

Why "IN THIS CASE"?   

Maybe if it was an IMMEDIATE reponse to the close proximity, I could see your point - I was tossing him to create space, I feared for cop's safety, etc.

but this was AFTER they searched him, cussed him out, he was explaining and apologizing, and he was up against the cop car, ,completely not resisting, completely obeying the cops.

He was shoved to the ground as punishment, not as part of police mgmt.  He was issued a "parting shot". 

I am literally shocked that a conservative like yourself is okay with cops shoving people hard to concrete as parting shots.  Shocked, really.   You yell about obama stealing our rights, but you're okay when cops do it?   Fuck, man.

No, I'm not big on it, but we need to know more to justify a battery charge. 

[240 is Back]

We would need more info, but this seems like the cops were engaged in some type of duty and he was clowning in front of them.  Maybe a distraction for something else.  I'm not big on them pushing him off, but we really need to know more.

ONCE they established he was just doing the ellen dance, they cursed at him and were letting him go. 

They knew he wasn't a distraction.  They frisked him and turned him to car. He was apologizing and turning all bitch. 

It was over.  They kept talking shit, he just wanted to leave.  The last cop gave him a hard shove as he left, he went flying.


I don't know what else we "need to know".   The man wasn't a threat, they were releasing him.  I dont see how you can argue the shove was anything but punitive.  And legally, a cop CANNOT shove/assault/batter a person for punishment.   Arrest him if he breaks the law, he'll get jail time.  They couldn't do that, he broke no actual law.

The shove was punitive.  There is no other explanation. 

[Dos Equis]

lol...your hatred runs deep.  And no, we don't see it as a response to an increase in crime.  In fact, there's plenty out there showing MRAPs getting scooped up by tiny little PDs.  It's, to me at least, a clear trend.  And, an unfortunate one.

What hatred?  If you mean Obama, I don't hate him.  I just think he's a dishonest, lousy leader.  And I've posted a lot of facts to support my opinion.  I would not call that hatred, which implies someone just spouting off irrational things about someone.  

We don't see increased police presence in response to crime?  You cannot believe that.  

Regarding small police forces buying equipment, are you saying small police forces in low crime areas are buying militarized equipment?  

[Skip8282]

ONCE they established he was just doing the ellen dance, they cursed at him and were letting him go. 

They knew he wasn't a distraction.  They frisked him and turned him to car. He was apologizing and turning all bitch. 

It was over.  They kept talking shit, he just wanted to leave.  The last cop gave him a hard shove as he left, he went flying.


I don't know what else we "need to know".   The man wasn't a threat, they were releasing him.  I dont see how you can argue the shove was anything but punitive.  And legally, a cop CANNOT shove/assault/batter a person for punishment.   Arrest him if he breaks the law, he'll get jail time.  They couldn't do that, he broke no actual law.

The shove was punitive.  There is no other explanation. 

If what you're saying is true, then I suppose a battery charge would be appropriate.  I couldn't hear what was said though.

[Skip8282]

What hatred?  If you mean Obama, I don't hate him.  I just think he's a dishonest, lousy leader.  And I've posted a lot of facts to support my opinion.  I would not call that hatred, which implies someone just spouting off irrational things about someone.  

We don't see increased police presence in response to crime?  You cannot believe that.  

Regarding small police forces buying equipment, are you saying small police forces in low crime areas are buying militarized equipment?  

Yes.


Police in Watertown, Connecticut, (population 22,514) recently acquired a mine-resistant, ambush-protected (MRAP) vehicle (sticker price: $733,000), designed to protect soldiers from roadside bombs, for $2,800. There has never been a landmine reported in Watertown, Connecticut.

Police in small towns in Michigan and Indiana have used the 1033 Program to acquire “MRAP armored troop carriers, night-vision rifle scopes, camouflage fatigues, Humvees and dozens of M16 automatic rifles,” the South Bend Tribune reported.

And police in Bloomington, Georgia, (population: 2,713) acquired four grenade launchers through the program, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported.

http://www.newsweek.com/how-americas-police-became-army-1033-program-264537

[240 is Back]

If what you're saying is true, then I suppose a battery charge would be appropriate.  I couldn't hear what was said though.

Watch at :55

Two of them do shove him to the ground along with "Get the fck out of here..."

Their two arms clearly extend as he is propelled.  His center of mass is way ahead of his legs, upper body shoved and legs trying to keep up - he can't make that jump on his own lol.

[Skip8282]

Watch at :55

Two of them do shove him to the ground along with "Get the fck out of here..."

Their two arms clearly extend as he is propelled.  His center of mass is way ahead of his legs, upper body shoved and legs trying to keep up - he can't make that jump on his own lol.

There's some kind of music or sound over it and I can't hear the words.  Like I said, if it's as cut and dry as you say, then perhaps a battery charge is warranted.

[blacken700]

Check out the lovely NYPD insult/curse/ then throw this man to the ground.  For legally dancing.

Make it illegal, or charge him with a crime if you want to say he impeded your chillin on the corner.  but that's straight assault at the end of the tape, hurling him to the ground like that. 

inexcusable.  This cop should be fired.  but he's at work today - and people wonder why the disgust for NYPD is so high - why didn't the other 4 cops standing there file a report saying they saw their buddy assault a civilian who hadn't broken a law?

WHY?

that asshole got what he deserved,running up behind people and doing that shit he should have got a punch in the head

[JOHN MATRIX]

The more thugs/criminals/hippies/libtards get roughed up by the cops, the better as far as im concerned 

Stamp out the growing leftist element and the country will only improve

[Archer77]

The more thugs/criminals/hippies/libtards get roughed up by the cops, the better as far as im concerned 

Stamp out the growing leftist element and the country will only improve

Everyone is forgetting the most important lesson of all the recent hoopla;  don't resist arrest, don't attack a cop and don't pull a gun on anyone-especially a cop and not expect consequences.  Remember these simple steps and your survival rates goes up to nearly 100%

[flipper5470]

Don't tell the cops to "leave me alone" when they approach you.  Ask "what's the problem?" or "do you think I'm engaged in nefarious activities"  or anything along those lines.  Telling them "leave me alone"  or "I warned you to leave me alone"  is a sure ticket to trouble.

If you behave like a calm, rational, adult they have no reason to escalate.  If they escalate any way...you have a complaint.  If you act like a dick, you give them the excuse to escalate...and guess what?  They will and they'll probably suffer zero consequences because you're acting like a dick.

And being able to say "I can't breathe" like a million times in a row is a pretty good sign that you can breathe.  If you're a fat fuck with a history of serious health issues...you probably shouldn't mouth off to the cops because they aren't going to ask you for your medical history before they take your ass down.

[polychronopolous]

Don't tell the cops to "leave me alone" when they approach you.  Ask "what's the problem?" or "do you think I'm engaged in nefarious activities"  or anything along those lines.  Telling them "leave me alone"  or "I warned you to leave me alone"  is a sure ticket to trouble.

If you behave like a calm, rational, adult they have no reason to escalate.  If they escalate any way...you have a complaint.  If you act like a dick, you give them the excuse to escalate...and guess what?  They will and they'll probably suffer zero consequences because you're acting like a dick.

And being able to say "I can't breathe" like a million times in a row is a pretty good sign that you can breathe.  If you're a fat fuck with a history of serious health issues...you probably shouldn't mouth off to the cops because they aren't going to ask you for your medical history before they take your ass down.

Seems pretty much like common sense to me.

[Archer77]

Don't tell the cops to "leave me alone" when they approach you.  Ask "what's the problem?" or "do you think I'm engaged in nefarious activities"  or anything along those lines.  Telling them "leave me alone"  or "I warned you to leave me alone"  is a sure ticket to trouble.

If you behave like a calm, rational, adult they have no reason to escalate.  If they escalate any way...you have a complaint.  If you act like a dick, you give them the excuse to escalate...and guess what?  They will and they'll probably suffer zero consequences because you're acting like a dick.

And being able to say "I can't breathe" like a million times in a row is a pretty good sign that you can breathe.  If you're a fat fuck with a history of serious health issues...you probably shouldn't mouth off to the cops because they aren't going to ask you for your medical history before they take your ass down.

Very logical assessment.  Garner would be alive if he had remained calm and compliant.

[240 is Back]

that asshole got what he deserved,running up behind people and doing that shit he should have got a punch in the head

that's not legal.   the police tend to try to stick the legal things... "the law".  They're actually sworn to uphold it.

Legally, you CAN run up behind people and dance like a fool.  I dislike it, and would support legislation banning it, but in 2014, the law says that's legal.

So you don't support a society of laws?   Or people should be able to randomly break them as they wish? 

[blacken700]

that's not legal.   the police tend to try to stick the legal things... "the law".  They're actually sworn to uphold it.

Legally, you CAN run up behind people and dance like a fool.  I dislike it, and would support legislation banning it, but in 2014, the law says that's legal.

So you don't support a society of laws?   Or people should be able to randomly break them as they wish?  

sure you can run up on people within inches of them swinging your arms but when you get punched in the head don't go crying for sympathy

[Agnostic007]

that's not legal.   the police tend to try to stick the legal things... "the law".  They're actually sworn to uphold it.

Legally, you CAN run up behind people and dance like a fool.  I dislike it, and would support legislation banning it, but in 2014, the law says that's legal.

So you don't support a society of laws?   Or people should be able to randomly break them as they wish? 

Legally you can, legally, a guy can turn and punch you out of reaction because someone spontaneously dancing behind you is not the norm. So while you can do it, there may be consequences for it. He put himself at risk in many of those scenes. As far as the cops reaction, they were pissed because someone stupidly acted a fool in what a reasonable person should know would be high alert status for the cops. It wasn't "funny" to them. I saw for sure one officer shove him on his way.. I doubt he meant to shove him to the ground.. the guy was too exhausted from his dancing to remain on his feet so he fell. Was the dancing behind the cops stupid? yes it was. Did the cops need to shove the guy? No they didnt. He should file a complaint on that officer as it was unneccessary. As much as I understand the cops being pissed at the guy for being stupid, they are still professionals and didn't de-escalate their demeanor once it was learned he was just an idiot.   

[240 is Back]

As much as I understand the cops being pissed at the guy for being stupid, they are still professionals and didn't de-escalate their demeanor once it was learned he was just an idiot.   

agreed.   IMO, if they had initially perceived him as a threat, it would have been fine to take him down and then sort it out.  "Dude was creeping up on a cop".  But once they had him for 30 seconds, searched him, he apologized up and down and exaplained the Ellen thing - they KNEW he wasn't a threat.  The push wasn't a reaction, which  might have been justified.  It was a punishment. 

If I shove someone "on their way", I can be charged with assault.   Cops are held to a higher standard.  Push was totally punitive.

[blacken700]

agreed.   IMO, if they had initially perceived him as a threat, it would have been fine to take him down and then sort it out.  "Dude was creeping up on a cop".  But once they had him for 30 seconds, searched him, he apologized up and down and exaplained the Ellen thing - they KNEW he wasn't a threat.  The push wasn't a reaction, which  might have been justified.  It was a punishment. 

If I shove someone "on their way", I can be charged with assault.   Cops are held to a higher standard.  Push was totally punitive.

who are you trying to kid you would be the first one pn here complaining if they tackled that guy

[RRKore]

The Federalist, a conservative web-magazine, had an eye-opening take on the NYPD situation:
(BTW, not to spam the board but I'm making this same post on 1 other NYPD thread.)

The NYPD’s Revolt Is A Direct Threat To Democracy

By Ben Domenech
December 31, 2014

Since the moment when police officers turned their backs in protest on New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio, we’ve seen the type of escalating activity in the city which would be more recognizable as the preview to a messy Latin American coup d’etat. The latest is a form of purposeful sabotage on the part of the NYPD, which is now actively shirking its duty to enforce the law. According to the New York Post, traffic tickets and summonses have plummeted by 94 percent, and overall arrests are down 66 percent for the week compared to the same period last year. Here’s the data comparisons from this year to 2013:

• Citations for traffic violations fell by 94 percent, from 10,069 to 587, during that time frame. Summonses for low-level offenses like public drinking and urination also plunged 94 percent — from 4,831 to 300. Even parking violations are way down, dropping by 92 percent, from 14,699 to 1,241. Drug arrests by cops assigned to the NYPD’s Organized Crime Control Bureau — which are part of the overall number — dropped by 84 percent, from 382 to 63.

Considering how much New York, as with many of our other major cities, has leaned toward over-policing, this isn’t all a bad thing – I’m not going to get worked up about cops handing out fewer parking violations. But as a whole, this represents a completely irresponsible rejection of the duty to enforce the law. Yesterday, speaking to a graduating class of more than 800 new officers at Madison Square Garden, de Blasio was booed and heckled as he struggled to extend an oratorical olive branch. De Blasio told the gathering of new cops “you will confront all the problems that plague our society, problems that you didn’t create” – in response, a heckler jeered “You created them!” People in the audience applauded and cheered as a de Blasio tried to recover with even more voluminous praise for the force.

Supporters of the NYPD have pointed out throughout the back-turning that their officers feel upset at Mayor de Blasio and others, that they feel they are less safe because of the comments of politicians. This is one more example of one of the most irritating tendencies of unionized police forces today – a recurring demand that they receive the same attitude of respect for authority given to the United States military, without any of the responsibility and duty that comes with it.

More here:
http://thefederalist.com/2014/12/31/the-nypds-revolt-is-a-direct-threat-to-democracy/

[Dos Equis]

Yes.


Police in Watertown, Connecticut, (population 22,514) recently acquired a mine-resistant, ambush-protected (MRAP) vehicle (sticker price: $733,000), designed to protect soldiers from roadside bombs, for $2,800. There has never been a landmine reported in Watertown, Connecticut.

Police in small towns in Michigan and Indiana have used the 1033 Program to acquire “MRAP armored troop carriers, night-vision rifle scopes, camouflage fatigues, Humvees and dozens of M16 automatic rifles,” the South Bend Tribune reported.

And police in Bloomington, Georgia, (population: 2,713) acquired four grenade launchers through the program, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported.

http://www.newsweek.com/how-americas-police-became-army-1033-program-264537

What's the problem with police departments getting what is essentially free equipment?  Are you making a connection between these smaller departments getting equipment and actual police abuse in those communities?  Certainly doesn't seem to be connected to any of the cases dominating the news. 

And I don't have a problem with departments like the one in Missouri having enough firepower to deal with anarchists.