New York Mayor Bill de Blasio Booed, Heckled at NYPD Graduation Ceremony

[240 is Back]

You are trying to make connections between de Blasio and Rudy/Bloomberg and then follow it up with a Westboro baptist church analogy.
There is no connection. It's not even close.

YOU are comparing their causes.  Saying is just, one is not.  I'm not making that judgment.  Rather - Is it right to protest AT A FUNERAL?   I say no.  I guess you say "depends upon their cause".   Okay, we disagree there.

"In fact, “summonses for low-level offenses like public drinking and urination … dropped from 4,831 to 300″ from this time period in 2013 to 2014."

When the streets of NYC flow with urine, citizens won't be blaming the mayor.  They'll blame the cops that are whining about politicians instead of enforcing the law and keeping streets clean.   

When the #1 story from new years eve tonight is "People are pissing everywhere while cops refuse to stop them, because they're mad at a politician", well, that doesn't help the NYPD cause.

[polychronopolous]

YOU are comparing their causes.  Saying is just, one is not.  I'm not making that judgment.  Rather - Is it right to protest AT A FUNERAL?   I say no.  I guess you say "depends upon their cause".   Okay, we disagree there.

When the streets of NYC flow with urine, citizens won't be blaming the mayor.  They'll blame the cops that are whining about politicians instead of enforcing the law and keeping streets clean.  

When the #1 story from new years eve tonight is "People are pissing everywhere while cops refuse to stop them, because they're mad at a politician", well, that doesn't help the NYPD cause.

That will be a minor story written on the 6th page of the New York Times compared to all these protests that keep popping up.

The police hold all the cards on this little showdown with the mayor.

[Archer77]

De Bl-ASS-io brought this on himself.  He used the unrest for political purposes and it's biting him in the rear end.  He came out immediately spewing the same Sharpton talking points. 

[240 is Back]

That will be a minor story written on the 6th page of the New York Times compared to all these protests that keep popping up.

The police hold all the cards on this little showdown with the mayor.

how long until he resigns?   I'd bet never.   Unhappy cops are one thing, but I'd like to see what a poll of NYers says.  They probably hate the mayor, sure, but let's see the NYPD approval rating.

Mayor diblasio didn't shove a guy to the cold, wet concrete for dancing.  The NYPD did.  
Mayor diblasio hasn't shot any unarmed people, framed anyone, nor any other violent crimes, but the NYPD did.

This wouldn't be a story if the cop had admitting in his paperwork that he used a chokeehold, if the EMTs didn't stand around for 10 minutes which garner was unresponsive, if the NYPD hadn't tried to hide and deny everything.  

[blacken700]

how long until he resigns?   I'd bet never.   Unhappy cops are one thing, but I'd like to see what a poll of NYers says.  They probably hate the mayor, sure, but let's see the NYPD approval rating.

Mayor diblasio didn't shove a guy to the cold, wet concrete for dancing.  The NYPD did.  
Mayor diblasio hasn't shot any unarmed people, framed anyone, nor any other violent crimes, but the NYPD did.

This wouldn't be a story if the cop had admitting in his paperwork that he used a chokeehold, if the EMTs didn't stand around for 10 minutes which garner was unresponsive, if the NYPD hadn't tried to hide and deny everything.  

once again idiot why would they try to hide anything it's on video brain child,i swear you repeat the same stupid shit.isn't there a board for your conspiracy shit you spew.watch the video of the moron getting pushed,nice acting job, for a minute I thought I was watching a soccer game

[flipper5470]

Fuck New York...fuck the mayor...fuck the people...fuck them all

[polychronopolous]

how long until he resigns?   I'd bet never.   Unhappy cops are one thing, but I'd like to see what a poll of NYers says.  They probably hate the mayor, sure, but let's see the NYPD approval rating.

Mayor diblasio didn't shove a guy to the cold, wet concrete for dancing.  The NYPD did.  
Mayor diblasio hasn't shot any unarmed people, framed anyone, nor any other violent crimes, but the NYPD did.

This wouldn't be a story if the cop had admitting in his paperwork that he used a chokeehold, if the EMTs didn't stand around for 10 minutes which garner was unresponsive, if the NYPD hadn't tried to hide and deny everything.  

Won't get an ounce of sympathy from me on that one.

That guy was acting like a dick.

[240 is Back]

Won't get an ounce of sympathy from me on that one.

That guy was acting like a dick.

true, but the law is the law.

if a citizen shoved that dancer for being a prick, the cops would have arrested him.
But the cops do it - and it's just "accepted"?

See, if we decide we can abandon some laws because we don't like them - then we cannot complain when some people decide they don't like the murder laws, and they murder people when they wish. 

I say, enforce the law 100%.   Follow the law 100%.  Not just the ones you agree with. 

[polychronopolous]

true, but the law is the law.

if a citizen shoved that dancer for being a prick, the cops would have arrested him.
But the cops do it - and it's just "accepted"?

See, if we decide we can abandon some laws because we don't like them - then we cannot complain when some people decide they don't like the murder laws, and they murder people when they wish. 

I say, enforce the law 100%.   Follow the law 100%.  Not just the ones you agree with. 

Somethings gotta be done about that sort of behavior.

Shit like that is going to end up getting someone killed.

[blacken700]

true, but the law is the law.

if a citizen shoved that dancer for being a prick, the cops would have arrested him.
But the cops do it - and it's just "accepted"?

See, if we decide we can abandon some laws because we don't like them - then we cannot complain when some people decide they don't like the murder laws, and they murder people when they wish. 

I say, enforce the law 100%.   Follow the law 100%.  Not just the ones you agree with. 

 This guy wanted a reaction and he got it. 

[240 is Back]

This guy wanted a reaction and he got it. 

I guess what shocks me is how fast so many getbiggers are willing to suspend the, because they think someone is annoying, stupid, wrong, etc.

This d-bag dancer was totally annoying and obnoxious, very punchable.  But legally, we can't do it.  Legally, the cops cannot do it.  In America, you cannot just beat or shove somebody because their legal actions are annoying.

Reminds me of this local guy we have in my town.  One or two nights a week, he walks around with a megaphone at just the legal limit.  He wears a sign.  He quotes the bible and tells people they're condemned for this or that.  He's harassing people on vacation - but he's following the law.   he's rude and insulting and tries to provoke people, but he never steps off his space, never follows them, never raises a finger.  Cops can't touch him.  No violation of anything, he's smart like that.

A few times a night, someone will bump, shove, assault, threaten him.   Then, as per their plan, his cameraman (who is quietly filming everything) will start following that person as they call 911 and report it.  Then he will file a report and SUE them.  He has hundreds of lawsuits in the pipes, all against people that assault, shove, threaten.   It's all on video, so they can't deny it.   Their shoves (after he insults them) are probably warranted, but they're illegal.  People are charged with battery, people end up paying for him to go away.  He makes an amazing living just insulting people LEGALLY and banking off their inability to control their urges to punch or shove this dude.

It sucks, he's entirely obnoxious, but it's LEGAL.   Just like the ellen dancer. 

[blacken700]

I guess what shocks me is how fast so many getbiggers are willing to suspend the, because they think someone is annoying, stupid, wrong, etc.

This d-bag dancer was totally annoying and obnoxious, very punchable.  But legally, we can't do it.  Legally, the cops cannot do it.  In America, you cannot just beat or shove somebody because their legal actions are annoying.

Reminds me of this local guy we have in my town.  One or two nights a week, he walks around with a megaphone at just the legal limit.  He wears a sign.  He quotes the bible and tells people they're condemned for this or that.  He's harassing people on vacation - but he's following the law.   he's rude and insulting and tries to provoke people, but he never steps off his space, never follows them, never raises a finger.  Cops can't touch him.  No violation of anything, he's smart like that.

A few times a night, someone will bump, shove, assault, threaten him.   Then, as per their plan, his cameraman (who is quietly filming everything) will start following that person as they call 911 and report it.  Then he will file a report and SUE them.  He has hundreds of lawsuits in the pipes, all against people that assault, shove, threaten.   It's all on video, so they can't deny it.   Their shoves (after he insults them) are probably warranted, but they're illegal.  People are charged with battery, people end up paying for him to go away.  He makes an amazing living just insulting people LEGALLY and banking off their inability to control their urges to punch or shove this dude.

It sucks, he's entirely obnoxious, but it's LEGAL.   Just like the ellen dancer. 

he got what he wanted,a reaction from the Fergusons

[polychronopolous]

I guess what shocks me is how fast so many getbiggers are willing to suspend the, because they think someone is annoying, stupid, wrong, etc.

This d-bag dancer was totally annoying and obnoxious, very punchable.  But legally, we can't do it.  Legally, the cops cannot do it.  In America, you cannot just beat or shove somebody because their legal actions are annoying.

Reminds me of this local guy we have in my town.  One or two nights a week, he walks around with a megaphone at just the legal limit.  He wears a sign.  He quotes the bible and tells people they're condemned for this or that.  He's harassing people on vacation - but he's following the law.   he's rude and insulting and tries to provoke people, but he never steps off his space, never follows them, never raises a finger.  Cops can't touch him.  No violation of anything, he's smart like that.

A few times a night, someone will bump, shove, assault, threaten him.   Then, as per their plan, his cameraman (who is quietly filming everything) will start following that person as they call 911 and report it.  Then he will file a report and SUE them.  He has hundreds of lawsuits in the pipes, all against people that assault, shove, threaten.   It's all on video, so they can't deny it.   Their shoves (after he insults them) are probably warranted, but they're illegal.  People are charged with battery, people end up paying for him to go away.  He makes an amazing living just insulting people LEGALLY and banking off their inability to control their urges to punch or shove this dude.

It sucks, he's entirely obnoxious, but it's LEGAL.   Just like the ellen dancer. 

Keep playing with kid gloves with these degenerates and see where it leads to.

It's going to get a helluva lot worse before it gets better with that attitude.

[RRKore]

The Federalist, a conservative web-magazine, had an eye-opening take on the NYPD situation:
(BTW, not to spam the board but I'm making this same post on 1 other NYPD thread.)

The NYPD’s Revolt Is A Direct Threat To Democracy

By Ben Domenech
December 31, 2014

Since the moment when police officers turned their backs in protest on New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio, we’ve seen the type of escalating activity in the city which would be more recognizable as the preview to a messy Latin American coup d’etat. The latest is a form of purposeful sabotage on the part of the NYPD, which is now actively shirking its duty to enforce the law. According to the New York Post, traffic tickets and summonses have plummeted by 94 percent, and overall arrests are down 66 percent for the week compared to the same period last year. Here’s the data comparisons from this year to 2013:

• Citations for traffic violations fell by 94 percent, from 10,069 to 587, during that time frame. Summonses for low-level offenses like public drinking and urination also plunged 94 percent — from 4,831 to 300. Even parking violations are way down, dropping by 92 percent, from 14,699 to 1,241. Drug arrests by cops assigned to the NYPD’s Organized Crime Control Bureau — which are part of the overall number — dropped by 84 percent, from 382 to 63.

Considering how much New York, as with many of our other major cities, has leaned toward over-policing, this isn’t all a bad thing – I’m not going to get worked up about cops handing out fewer parking violations. But as a whole, this represents a completely irresponsible rejection of the duty to enforce the law. Yesterday, speaking to a graduating class of more than 800 new officers at Madison Square Garden, de Blasio was booed and heckled as he struggled to extend an oratorical olive branch. De Blasio told the gathering of new cops “you will confront all the problems that plague our society, problems that you didn’t create” – in response, a heckler jeered “You created them!” People in the audience applauded and cheered as a de Blasio tried to recover with even more voluminous praise for the force.

Supporters of the NYPD have pointed out throughout the back-turning that their officers feel upset at Mayor de Blasio and others, that they feel they are less safe because of the comments of politicians. This is one more example of one of the most irritating tendencies of unionized police forces today – a recurring demand that they receive the same attitude of respect for authority given to the United States military, without any of the responsibility and duty that comes with it.

More here:
http://thefederalist.com/2014/12/31/the-nypds-revolt-is-a-direct-threat-to-democracy/

[240 is Back]

Keep playing with kid gloves with these degenerates and see where it leads to.
It's going to get a helluva lot worse before it gets better with that attitude.

I said I support creating a law that states "any person that walks within X feet from a police officer in a surreptitious manner can be charged with misdemeanor, etc."   Interfering with duties, attempting to intimidate, call it whatever you want.  I woudn't allow a person to stand that close to me - BUT I would not be allowed to shove his ass to the ground for doing so, even if I felt he deserved it.

The problem is the law.   It should be changed.  But since it's the current law, we have to follow it.  

OR - look at it htis way - that prick deserved to be slammed because what, he disrespected someone and got all up on them.  Okay, then should I be able to see the cop disrespecting someone, and shove the cop to the ground?    Cause you know, my ass is in jail if I try that shit lol.  

Double standards make people resent cops.  Double standards, they gotta go.  I can't shove annoying people, then you can't shove annoying people.  Even if they deserve it.   Change the law.   OR, we have to STFU when people break laws they disagree with.

[polychronopolous]

I said I support creating a law that states "any person that walks within X feet from a police officer in a surreptitious manner can be charged with misdemeanor, etc."   Interfering with duties, attempting to intimidate, call it whatever you want.  I woudn't allow a person to stand that close to me - BUT I would not be allowed to shove his ass to the ground for doing so, even if I felt he deserved it.

The problem is the law.   It should be changed.  But since it's the current law, we have to follow it.

OR - look at it htis way - that prick deserved to be slammed because what, he disrespected someone and got all up on them.  Okay, then should I be able to see the cop disrespecting someone, and shove the cop to the ground?    Cause you know, my ass is in jail if I try that shit lol.  

Double standards make people resent cops.  Double standards, they gotta go.  I can't shove annoying people, then you can't shove annoying people.  Even if they deserve it.   Change the law.   OR, we have to STFU when people break laws they disagree with.

We've butted heads here lately surrounding this whole issue but I agree with you on this one.

Personally, I think a good forceful baton to the chops would send a good signal to anyone who wants to sneak up on a cop and act like a jerk off but that probably is a bit harsh.

[240 is Back]

We've butted heads here lately surrounding this whole issue but I agree with you on this one.

Personally, I think a good forceful baton to the chops would send a good signal to anyone who wants to sneak up on a cop and act like a jerk off but that probably is a bit harsh.

I'd be okay with that, even.   As long as the law was established and it was written "if you get within 3 feet of a cop for the next 6 months, they will use physical force as a punishment".   

As long as we know the law going in, cool.   I don't thnk Ellen guy would have done it if the law had been in place.  Problem is, cops haven't stood up and said "Hey, we'd like some protection from idiots who use us as props in viral movies about false urinating bottles and Ellen Dance-offs.  Sounds like the law is outdated, because police resources are regularly wasted chasing down pranksters who are making youtube coin while actual lawbreakers skate on by. 

IMO, if the other 3-4 officers standing there had filed incident reports stating "well, these 2 officers did shove the man fairly hard, he did fly fwd ahead of his feet, and fell on the concrete".... those 2 cops might only get a slap on the wrist, which is fine, BUT the NATION would recognize "wow, cops telling on cops, maybe they're not so bad after all!".

I look at that video and I'm disgusted as much by the onlooking cops that "didn't see nuthin" as the cops that actually just shoved the dude.  And nobody stopped to help him up, with a little "shit brah, I might have scooted you a little hard there, sorry about that".

They show zero compassion, and they just seem like they hate people.  They don't care if that person is hurt.  They don't care if they shove people or call them motherfckers.  They just don't like people - then why are they cops?

[blacken700]

I'd be okay with that, even.   As long as the law was established and it was written "if you get within 3 feet of a cop for the next 6 months, they will use physical force as a punishment".   

As long as we know the law going in, cool.   I don't thnk Ellen guy would have done it if the law had been in place.  Problem is, cops haven't stood up and said "Hey, we'd like some protection from idiots who use us as props in viral movies about false urinating bottles and Ellen Dance-offs.  Sounds like the law is outdated, because police resources are regularly wasted chasing down pranksters who are making youtube coin while actual lawbreakers skate on by. 

IMO, if the other 3-4 officers standing there had filed incident reports stating "well, these 2 officers did shove the man fairly hard, he did fly fwd ahead of his feet, and fell on the concrete".... those 2 cops might only get a slap on the wrist, which is fine, BUT the NATION would recognize "wow, cops telling on cops, maybe they're not so bad after all!".

I look at that video and I'm disgusted as much by the onlooking cops that "didn't see nuthin" as the cops that actually just shoved the dude.  And nobody stopped to help him up, with a little "shit brah, I might have scooted you a little hard there, sorry about that".

They show zero compassion, and they just seem like they hate people.  They don't care if that person is hurt.  They don't care if they shove people or call them motherfckers.  They just don't like people - then why are they cops?

that fucking clown took a fall for the camera, get over it

[240 is Back]

that fucking clown took a fall for the camera, get over it

you're okay with the law being broken, when you disagree with the law. 

That's cool when the only damage is a dude's scuffed knees.  But there are animals out there who feel it's okay to shoot up a car full of cops, because they disagree with that whole murder law thing.

Gotta be consistent.  The law is to be followed. Don't like it?  Change it!  I'm 100% in support of laws to protect police from video camera jackasses. 

But the law is the law is the law.   Can't go breaking it. 

[blacken700]

you're okay with the law being broken, when you disagree with the law. 

That's cool when the only damage is a dude's scuffed knees.  But there are animals out there who feel it's okay to shoot up a car full of cops, because they disagree with that whole murder law thing.

Gotta be consistent.  The law is to be followed. Don't like it?  Change it!  I'm 100% in support of laws to protect police from video camera jackasses. 

But the law is the law is the law.   Can't go breaking it. 

what law was broken, he sent him on his way and yhe guy put on a show for the camera

[polychronopolous]

you're okay with the law being broken, when you disagree with the law.  

That's cool when the only damage is a dude's scuffed knees.  But there are animals out there who feel it's okay to shoot up a car full of cops, because they disagree with that whole murder law thing.

Gotta be consistent.  The law is to be followed. Don't like it?  Change it!  I'm 100% in support of laws to protect police from video camera jackasses.  

But the law is the law is the law.   Can't go breaking it.  

It's a stressful job, you gotta admit that.

One minute these clowns are dancing around acting a fool and the next they could be sticking a knife in your throat.

For the vast majority of these guys they just want to make it home safely to see their family and I'm sure nearly all of them have seen the videos of the cops who let their guard down for a moment and ended up 6 feet under as a result.

[Archer77]

It's a stressful job, you gotta admit that.

One minute these clowns are dancing around acting a fool and the next they could be sticking a knife in your throat.

For the vast majority of these guys they just want to make it home safely to see their family and I'm sure nearly all of them have seen the videos of the cops who let their guard down for a moment and ended up 6 feet under as a result.

That shitstain 240 is a troll trying to play both sides. Fuck his poser ass.

[tonymctones]

That shitstain 240 is a troll trying to play both sides. Fuck his poser ass.

quoted for truth

[240 is Back]

It's a stressful job, you gotta admit that.

One minute these clowns are dancing around acting a fool and the next they could be sticking a knife in your throat.

For the vast majority of these guys they just want to make it home safely to see their family and I'm sure nearly all of them have seen the videos of the cops who let their guard down for a moment and ended up 6 feet under as a result.

many people have stressful jobs and don't get the law, a gun, and training on their sides. 

teachers deal with violent and often angry, disrespectful kids every day, some armed.  But if a teacher were to shove a kid like this, he's done with teaching.

I guess what I'm trying to say is ----  Is this behavior okay, or isn't it?

I want to hear getbiggers say it is OKAY to SHOVE someone who dances near a cop.  Say it.  Also, list the other actions that a cop is allowed to shove someone in a punitive manner.  No threat present at this point - it was just "get the fck out of here".

I want to know the selective list when it's cool for NYPD to shove a civilian that hasn't broken a single law.  Please list them.

[blacken700]

many people have stressful jobs and don't get the law, a gun, and training on their sides. 

teachers deal with violent and often angry, disrespectful kids every day, some armed.  But if a teacher were to shove a kid like this, he's done with teaching.

I guess what I'm trying to say is ----  Is this behavior okay, or isn't it?

I want to hear getbiggers say it is OKAY to SHOVE someone who dances near a cop.  Say it.  Also, list the other actions that a cop is allowed to shove someone in a punitive manner.  No threat present at this point - it was just "get the fck out of here".

I want to know the selective list when it's cool for NYPD to shove a civilian that hasn't broken a single law.  Please list them.

he pushed him along and the guy put on a show for you and the rest of the Fergusons.so yes it's a ok with me