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Re: 1980 Olympia - CBS never released the footage
« Reply #525 on: August 30, 2023, 08:29:57 PM »
Yeah & they also fixed it so the Queer Chimp would place 2nd & Mike would place 5  ::)

Yes all the judges were in on the screwing over of Mike  :o

Do you really believe that - or Maybe No one had an overall Better physique
Than Arnold - others had better body parts yet lacked else where.

And how the hell did that judge get Dennis in 1st place - why aren't you
questioning that ??

Arnold won - End of.

Yes, I forgot that everyone on Getbig is an expert in all matters re bodybuilding!

Dennis did look great. Wide shoulders and the best conditioning of all the competitors. His posing let him down.



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Re: 1980 Olympia - CBS never released the footage
« Reply #526 on: August 30, 2023, 08:34:17 PM »
I have said this before but the best physique at the 1980 Olympia wasn't compared even once! Blows everyone away with the total package.


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Re: 1980 Olympia - CBS never released the footage
« Reply #527 on: August 30, 2023, 08:45:37 PM »
Yes, I forgot that everyone on Getbig is an expert in all matters re bodybuilding!

Dennis did look great. Wide shoulders and the best conditioning of all the competitors. His posing let him down.



You believe you are  ::)

Overall not a great structure on Dennis- just doesn't flow nicely.
Wide shoulders & wide waist.

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Re: 1980 Olympia - CBS never released the footage
« Reply #528 on: August 30, 2023, 09:57:31 PM »
I have said this before but the best physique at the 1980 Olympia wasn't compared even once! Blows everyone away with the total package.

Would you have enjoyed oiling him up?

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Re: 1980 Olympia - CBS never released the footage
« Reply #529 on: August 30, 2023, 10:07:26 PM »
Would you have enjoyed oiling him up?

The older I get the more convinced I am that the world is populated by complete assholes.

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Re: 1980 Olympia - CBS never released the footage
« Reply #530 on: August 31, 2023, 12:05:32 AM »
As a first-hand witness, we need your top 8, Vince? with little commentary on each physique..
thanks!
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Re: 1980 Olympia - CBS never released the footage
« Reply #531 on: August 31, 2023, 12:41:54 AM »
Menzter got munsoned!


Mentzer was from Pennsylvania and Munson moved there from Iowa. Maybe they were roommates at one time.

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Re: 1980 Olympia - CBS never released the footage
« Reply #532 on: August 31, 2023, 01:35:19 AM »
I took the best photos at the prejudging at the 80 Olympia. A year earlier there was a pro bodybuilding contest there and I calculated where the best seat would be to take photos. So I selected a seat at waist level to the competitors on stage and of course in the middle of the Opera House. I had a sturdy tripod and an excellent camera with very good telephoto lenses. I took 360 black and white photos of the judging. At night I took colour slides. Here is an edited photo of 4 of the competitors. I removed all the background distractions.


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Re: 1980 Olympia - CBS never released the footage
« Reply #533 on: August 31, 2023, 01:52:48 AM »
Re-edit of one of the first call outs. Arnold not included and look at the expression on his face!


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Re: 1980 Olympia - CBS never released the footage
« Reply #534 on: August 31, 2023, 01:59:41 AM »
Re-edit of one of the first call outs. Arnold not included and look at the expression on his face!

Looks butt-hurt for sure...

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Re: 1980 Olympia - CBS never released the footage
« Reply #535 on: August 31, 2023, 02:07:24 AM »
When I saw this photo it told the story of the shape Arnold was in. This was the first call out for comparisons and Arnold wasn't in this group. There he is with his head down wondering why he entered the contest. Mike is smiling because he felt the call out meant those guys placed ahead of Arnold. That wasn't to be and when Arnold was called in later groups he rose to the occasion and stole the show.


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Re: 1980 Olympia - CBS never released the footage
« Reply #536 on: August 31, 2023, 02:14:55 AM »
When I saw this photo it told the story of the shape Arnold was in. This was the first call out for comparisons and Arnold wasn't in this group. There he is with his head down wondering why he entered the contest. Mike is smiling because he felt the call out meant those guys placed ahead of Arnold. That wasn't to be and when Arnold was called in later groups he rose to the occasion and stole the show.

So Now you're a mind reader also - Then waht the fuck is Roy Thinking ??
" Oh it's time for me to walk off stage & go home they've not called Me ? "
That's what it looks like from his expression.


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Re: 1980 Olympia - CBS never released the footage
« Reply #537 on: August 31, 2023, 02:23:52 AM »
So Now you're a mind reader also - Then waht the fuck is Roy Thinking ??
" Oh it's time for me to walk off stage & go home they've not called Me ? "
That's what it looks like from his expression.

Body language tells the story. Roy looked great but wasn't selected that day.

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Re: 1980 Olympia - CBS never released the footage
« Reply #538 on: August 31, 2023, 06:18:42 AM »
Mentzer said something derogatory to Arnold which I don’t remember, and Arnold replied, “You didn’t win Olympia last year because your waist was hanging way out, and you won’t win it this year for the same reason.” With that Mentzer lunged at Arnold and several of the officials including Bill Pearl broke it up.
No it started because Arnold was going on about what classes he wanted & Boyer coe asked him about it.
Arnold being the arrogant cocky prick he is made a dumb remark, Mike stepped in & then Arnold made childish remarks about Mike´s waist.

It´s such a shame Mike never punched Arnold who by all accounts "fought like a girl".. ric Drasin said this.

Arnold was & still is a scumbag .. look at him now a Globalist ass licking turd

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Re: 1980 Olympia - CBS never released the footage
« Reply #539 on: August 31, 2023, 09:17:44 AM »
Body language tells the story. Roy looked great but wasn't selected that day.

If you believe so from one frame  ::)
forgot we're dealing with a mastermind & expert Mind reader. ::)

Tell me what Roy & the others were thinking from that pic ...........
Roy's Body language says I'm leaving......

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Re: 1980 Olympia - CBS never released the footage
« Reply #540 on: August 31, 2023, 10:31:15 AM »
That's what i thought, no one has a happy upbeat expression in that split second moment.
Arnold destroyed them all in the poses at under par for him and that's what upsets everyone.
Mentzer was nearly crying before the show, arnold destroyed him mentally, some people really let words affect them, that's all it is, words. But arnold was right, mikes chest was shallow and gut thicker from the side.
If you believe so from one frame  ::)
forgot we're dealing with a mastermind & expert Mind reader. ::)

Tell me what Roy & the others were thinking from that pic ...........
Roy's Body language says I'm leaving......

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Re: 1980 Olympia - CBS never released the footage
« Reply #541 on: August 31, 2023, 03:30:02 PM »
No it started because Arnold was going on about what classes he wanted & Boyer coe asked him about it.
Arnold being the arrogant cocky prick he is made a dumb remark, Mike stepped in & then Arnold made childish remarks about Mike´s waist.

It´s such a shame Mike never punched Arnold who by all accounts "fought like a girl".. ric Drasin said this.

Arnold was & still is a scumbag .. look at him now a Globalist ass licking turd

Arnold snapped Mike's confidence with the same ease a getbigger snaps a pitbulls neck.  Arnold may be a globalist turd but Mike is a turd residing 6 feet beneath the surface of the globe.

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Re: 1980 Olympia - CBS never released the footage
« Reply #542 on: August 31, 2023, 08:44:52 PM »
Mike always insisted the 80 Olympia was fixed. I believe he has a point. After the contest I was given all the judges' score sheets so could do an analysis of it. The big problem with the judging method was the foolish idea of scoring each round. Ben Weider had hoped to have this contest in the Olympic games so adapted a system of judging resembling diving, ice skating and gymnastics. Disaster occurred because they did not standardize the scores for each round. After the first round the scores should have been collected then a score given so that there was room for a higher score. They didn't do this and in all the rounds too many competitors received a 20 out of 20 score. In effect those scores did not separate the men. Multiply this error by 3 and the results are not accurate. The judges who did separate the men had their scores count for more.

A more important revelation was made by John Fair in an article. (link below) Paul Graham promoted the Olympia that year. They were room mates in Los Angeles in late 1968 and early 1969. Paul was arrested on January 29, 1969 in Honolulu by the FBI for sending stolen cars from LA to Australia. Arnold states in Total Recall, that he made some money driving cars to a dock in Los Angeles that were destined for Australia. Paul took the rap himself and spend over 2 years in a California prison. So Paul and Arnold were close. Randy Roach, 'Muscles, Smoke and Mirrors', believes Arnold did not enter until he knew he had the majority of judges who would place him first. Here is where I made an error when writing about the contest. I was standing in the foyer of the Sydney Opera House just before the prejudging. I was with Frank Burwash and Peter McCarthy. Someone came up to Pete and told him the judges meeting has already started. Peter swore and raced off but was told since he missed part of the meeting he was replaced by another judge but he could judge as a spare. Brendan Ryan, who won a Junior Mr Australia contest was a judge. I assumed Paul replaced Peter with Brendan. Nope, Brendan was already selected to judge. Peter was replaced by Dr Michael Walczak. Four of the judges placed Arnold first. Reg Park, Brendan Ryan, Albert Busek, and Mits Kowashima. Walczak placed Dennis Tinerino first and Arnold second. He placed Dickerson 8th. Jacques Blommaert and Dan Howard placed Dickerson first. Arnold was a good friend of Howard's but Dan didn't let that affect his score. There you have it, before the contest Arnold believed that 5 out of the 7 judges would vote for him. 4 did and that was sufficient to win.


Article on the 80 Olympia by John Fair:       https://starkcenter.org/igh_article/igh1101p04/
[Yep exactly great post Vince.

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Re: 1980 Olympia - CBS never released the footage
« Reply #543 on: August 31, 2023, 10:31:49 PM »
When I saw this photo it told the story of the shape Arnold was in. This was the first call out for comparisons and Arnold wasn't in this group. There he is with his head down wondering why he entered the contest. Mike is smiling because he felt the call out meant those guys placed ahead of Arnold. That wasn't to be and when Arnold was called in later groups he rose to the occasion and stole the show.


For all anyone knows,the judges could be looking for the second place man in this call out.

I`ve seen it quite a few times where the overall winner doesn`t get called much, if at all, because he`s already a shoe in for first place, and the battle is for 2nd. place on down.

Anyway,it`s getting stupid, this was 43 years ago,and nothing will ever change the fact that
"Arnold is numero uno"!  :D

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Re: 1980 Olympia - CBS never released the footage
« Reply #544 on: September 01, 2023, 12:54:39 AM »
When I saw this photo it told the story of the shape Arnold was in. This was the first call out for comparisons and Arnold wasn't in this group. There he is with his head down wondering why he entered the contest. Mike is smiling because he felt the call out meant those guys placed ahead of Arnold. That wasn't to be and when Arnold was called in later groups he rose to the occasion and stole the show.
This early confidence Mentzer had probably made the loss all the more crushing.

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Re: 1980 Olympia - CBS never released the footage
« Reply #545 on: September 01, 2023, 12:59:26 AM »
More has been said and written about this questionable competition than any other Mr. Olympia contest, and if you add these comments to the 1981 Olympia competition you get the most controversial two years in competitive bodybuilding ever. In my mind Arnold didn’t deserve to win in 1980 nor did
Colombu deserve to win in 1981.

Did I deserve to win? I was in great shape, but I could have been better. With my mind set on winning four Mr. Olympia titles, I stood in my living room at our Palm Springs house looking out at the pool. It was early August, and I was right on schedule with my Olympia preparation. 208 pounds rock hard and angry about my life of deprivation and sacrifice.

“Oh hell, another 8 weeks of torture to look forward to” I said to myself as I kneeled to sit in the lawn chair near the edge of the pool. As I did the chair slid into the pool with me in it. I felt a hard bump in the groin and sunk to the bottom, dazed. Crawling out there was blood gushing from my penis. The bulbous urethra was smashed. Christine rushed me to the hospital, “keep saying your mantra” she advised.

Four hours later the doctor showed up, he’d been golfing. The nurses had been taking turns squeezing my penis to control the bleeding, but it wasn’t working too well. Finally, the doctor taped me in such a way that pressure was put on the urethra area. The bleeding stopped, a catheter was inserted, and I
went into shock.

Passing out, I thought I was dying. There was a lot of light, and I felt free of all cares and worries. “I could check out right now” I thought and then woke up in a hospital bed. I was there for at least a day (don’t quite remember) and didn’t know what to think or do. So, I called Arnold. He’d given me contest advice for the last several years and I really need it now.

“The word is at Gold’s Gym that you took so many steroids your dick exploded!” Arnold laughed. I expected derisive remarks from the Gold’s animal pit contingency and explained my situation. “What do you think I should do?” I asked the Oak. “You should go to Australia and defend your title” he told me. “You are training hard, are you going to compete?” I asked. “No, I’ll be there doing the TV commentary for CBS” he told me.

To further compound bad advises, my doctor told me I’d be OK to compete in 8 weeks. As it turned out I lost a good 15 pounds because of the accident, the extra muscle mass I’d added was gone. Would I be good enough to win?
A catheter had been installed in my urinary tract and it was anything but comfortable. “How long does this need to stay in?” I asked my doctor. “Six weeks is normal.” He answered. “How about 6 days, I have to train for the Mr. Olympia”. So out came the catheter and I went home feeling skinny and weak.
Immediately I called Canada as I had a posing exhibition scheduled for the following weekend. No way I’d be able to do that without having trained for it, I better cancel I thought. But I learned they couldn’t get a replacement, so I had to do it. Then lying on my sofa, the bleeding started up again and lasted 12 hours.

Phoning my doctor, he told me a small blood vessel probably ruptured and to just stay still until the bleeding stops. “The problem is that you don’t know how to be sick. You need to realize your condition before you can heal.” He was right I accepted my fate.

It was a lot of lying around for the next few days. Should I even go to Australia? Arnold and even my doctor said I’d be able to compete. Problem was I didn’t know if and when the bleeding would start up once I began training. But I wasn’t ready to start yet, a few more days of rest up to the Wednesday before we left for Canada, and I got in one workout which consisted of walking one mile. We flew to Toronto, I posed, and the audience wondered how I ever won Mr. Olympia looking like I’d just gotten out of the hospital (which was actually the case). Then we flew to Calgary for a seminar, and I was exhausted.

But after resting a few days at home I started weight training again. I’d lost a good 15 pounds, but my strength came back pretty fast. I’d do a set and then open my shorts to check if my penis was bleeding. Luckily, it wasn’t.
Two weeks later I had an exhibition in Philadelphia and people who saw me in Canada couldn’t believe the transformation. Talking with Robbie Robinson backstage, he told me he wasn’t going to Australia to compete. “Why not “ I asked. “I heard the contest is fixed for Arnold to win” he told me. I began to wonder if I’d made the right choice. Time would tell.

There was no way I could gain the muscle mass back in the remaining three weeks, I’d just have to go for maximum definition. It was a long, long charter flight to Australia and all the competitors from the USA were on board.

There was Mike Mentzer, cocky and sure he’d win, Dennis Tinerino preaching how he was saved in his jail cell by Jesus Christ after being arrested. Christ became his training partner and Dennis was confident he would win too. So was Chris Dickerson who thought he deserved to win since he’d been cleaning up in all the grand pris the entire year. Many were confident but I wasn’t sure. I’d learned that hope was note enough but I hoped I was wrong. After all I was still Mr. Olympia.

But I knew although I was in great shape I wasn’t as good as I could have been, and this made it more difficult to act like the winner on stage. I was feeling the stress and my face looked drawn and tired.

The morning before the competition there was a meeting of the competitors with the judges and officials at the Sydney Opera house where the contest was being held. “Same old crap” I said to myself. Having to listen to all this nonsense was unnerving and tedious since prejudging would be right after. The
vote was to eliminate the under 200-pound class and I think this was the turning point in professional competitive bodybuilding. Now everybody had to weigh over 200 (the more the better) to stand a chance and they would only be judged in a single group all together. As the meeting dragged on Arnold and Mentzer began arguing. Mentzer said something derogatory to Arnold which I don’t remember, and Arnold replied, “You didn’t win Olympia last year because your waist was hanging way out, and you won’t win it this year for the same reason.” With that Mentzer lunged at Arnold and several of the officials including Bill Pearl broke it up.

Finally, the pre-judging started. As we stood outside the dressing rooms there was Arnold with his gym bag which removed all doubt that he’d entered. “Do you want to share a dressing room with me, Frank? He asked. “Why are you going to try to psych me out?” “No were making a video (Arnold’s comeback)
and I thought you might like to be in it,” Arnold retorted.” “I’ll pass” I answered and retired to a private room while Tom Platz joined Arnold for a co-starring role in his film. I wondered why Arnold had misled me and gave me the ‘wrong advices.’ Was he getting even for my statement on ABC tv when he asked me how it felt to win Mr. Olympia for the third time and I answered, “It feels even better than when I beat you for Mr. Universe?”




So, pre-judging began with all the comparisons, and I found myself standing next to Arnold, so I said to him “How does it feel competing after not being on stage for 5 years?” “It’s really hard” he said and with that I laughed and went into a most muscular pose. This photo of me laughing next to him appear in his Arnold Encyclopedia with the caption “Arnold tells Zane a joke during the Olympia competition, so he’d break his concentration and laugh.” Not true but no one would know the difference until now.

Pre-judging concluded and I was exhausted, too tired to even leave the Opera House to eat so Christine went out and brought food back as I took a short nap. After eating and feeling a little better we took a short walk outside before the evening show started.

It seemed like everybody was in this contest. Arnold certainly didn’t look his best in pre-judging by he looked much better in the evening show but still not good enough to win. I was impressed with the size Boyer Coe had added, Mentzer looked about as good as he did last Olympia, Dickerson’s ballet posing routine only showed fancy moves but little muscle, and I couldn’t see past Platz’s thighs. I thought I had a chance because I was more defined than anyone. But when judges see you bigger one year and smaller the next the likelihood of winning decreases. It was hard to match my 1979 combination of size, muscularity, and confidence and there was some doubt in my mind as I did my posing routine on stage. The crowd loved it, and this boosted my spirits.

The contest concluded and we waited for the winners to be announced. This has always been the most challenging part of all the competitions in which I’ve participated: waiting for the winner to revealed. Most of the time I knew after pre-judging. It was easy to tell: if you won everybody wanted to be around you, if you didn’t win nobody said much to you. But things could change in the evening show voting if you looked way better or much worse than in the afternoon. If you sweat a lot in pre-judging, you’ll be more muscular at night; if you eat a lot after pre-judging, you may be smoother and puffier at night.

“In sixth place is Roger Walker of Australia” came the voice from the podium. He was in good shape, and they want an Australian to be in the top six I thought. “In 5th place Mike Mentzer USA” “Wow, he’s angrier than hell and can’t believe he’s 5th” I said to myself. “4th place Boyer Coe USA” And at that moment I had a strong feeling that my name would be called next. “In 3rd place Frank Zane USA”. Loud booing from the audience preceded “In second place Chris Dickerson USA” “I guess they like ballet” I thought. And the winner of Mr. Olympia 1980….(who else?)….Arnold Schwarzenegger. I’d accepted my trophy, bowed to the audience, and left the stage. Walking with trophy in hand backstage, I set it down and put on my warm-up suit. Picking up the trophy, the oil from my body had spread to the trophy and it slipped out of my hand, hit the floor, and fell apart.

I leaned over , looked at it and took the name plate off it that spelled Mr. Olympia 1980 third place. And walked out to the back of the auditorium where Arnold was addressing the audience from the stage “This proves once and for all that I am the greatest bodybuilder of all time.” Booing must have gone on for a full minute. “Well, the audience has good taste” I thought. I met Christine and we walked out the backstage door and there were hundreds of people waiting to greet us with cheers. There was a party, but we went back to our hotel, I had a few glasses of wine and went to sleep. The next day we went to a barbecue on the beach across from the Coogee Beach Motel where we stayed. We picked out steaks, cooked them and sat down. “What’s the strongest beer you have” I asked the beer mate. “This one in the white can” I took two. But the booze couldn’t erase what had
happened from my mind. I had a long time to think about it on the flight home. “Why the accident, how freaky, why me? It wasn’t until I realized it that I had created conditions for it’s occurrence by my attitude. I’d spent so much time being angry and resentful, I was “pissed off” when it occurred.

The result was a physical manifestation of this anger: My pissing was off with a smashed urethra. This negative body metaphor had become selffulfilling prophesy. I had created my experience with negative thinking and emotion. Back in California everything got back to normal. Arnold was away making his Conan movie and when he returned, I saw him at World Gym, and he asked me out to breakfast. I had agreed to pose in Columbus Ohio for his Mr. World contest but after the Australia fiasco I refused. Since Arnold had MC’d a contest Christine and I ran that summer I owed him this posing exhibition and when I didn’t do it letters from his attorney began arriving threatening a lawsuit. “Just pay my attorney costs and we’ll call it even” he told me, so I did. Then Arnold explained his contest behavior by comparing it to politics: “Suppose Jimmy Carter approaches Ronald Regan before the election and tells him his plan to win. Regan would be a fool to not take advantage of this information. Competition is about strategy, not friendship.”

He was right. I had mistaken a competitor for a coach. Touché. I didn’t compete the next year. The wise move would have been not to compete in 1980 but enter in 1981. In a fair contest I’d beat Franco Colombu but how fair did it turn out to be? Dickerson thought he had the title only to place second to Colombu whose injured leg looked different than his other one. Judging from what I saw Danny Padilla should have won.

I still wanted to win four Olympias and losing in 1980 fueled my resolve to do so. In 1982 I’d come in bigger, after all the critics said I needed to get bigger.


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Re: 1980 Olympia - CBS never released the footage
« Reply #546 on: September 01, 2023, 01:05:10 AM »
For all anyone knows,the judges could be looking for the second place man in this call out.

I`ve seen it quite a few times where the overall winner doesn`t get called much, if at all, because he`s already a shoe in for first place, and the battle is for 2nd. place on down.

Anyway,it`s getting stupid, this was 43 years ago,and nothing will ever change the fact that
"Arnold is numero uno"!  :D

It is always interesting to debate things that were controversial. What happened in 1980 re the call outs was the judges put who they wanted to see on a piece of paper and the head judge selected one without seeing what it was. It just happened that the 4 called out didn't include Arnold. Sure, that judge might have already selected Arnold and was looking for the other places. I was there and took this photo. Arnold states that he never likes to do anything where there is doubt about what will happen to him. At the moment when he wasn't in that call out he was worried and that shows in the two photos posted here. Why would his head be down like that if he wasn't worried about what was happening. He surely feared he might not win this contest.

By the way, Les, just because the judges picked the winner doesn't mean the best person won. When Arnold was compared to the top guys he dwarfed them in chest and arms. Calves were good, too. Zane and Dickerson lost in those comparisons. If we go back to the year before this contest then it is clear that Chris Dickerson won several of the pro shows leading up to the 80 Olympia.

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Re: 1980 Olympia - CBS never released the footage
« Reply #547 on: September 01, 2023, 04:24:23 AM »
It is always interesting to debate things that were controversial. What happened in 1980 re the call outs was the judges put who they wanted to see on a piece of paper and the head judge selected one without seeing what it was. It just happened that the 4 called out didn't include Arnold. Sure, that judge might have already selected Arnold and was looking for the other places. I was there and took this photo. Arnold states that he never likes to do anything where there is doubt about what will happen to him. At the moment when he wasn't in that call out he was worried and that shows in the two photos posted here. Why would his head be down like that if he wasn't worried about what was happening. He surely feared he might not win this contest.

By the way, Les, just because the judges picked the winner doesn't mean the best person won. When Arnold was compared to the top guys he dwarfed them in chest and arms. Calves were good, too. Zane and Dickerson lost in those comparisons. If we go back to the year before this contest then it is clear that Chris Dickerson won several of the pro shows leading up to the 80 Olympia.

Don´t think Arnold was worried because he knew he would win, Bill pearl said he was very cocky or aggressive on stage doing what he wanted, Roger walker also confirmed this.
He won not because of his physique but because his friends gave him it.

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Re: 1980 Olympia - CBS never released the footage
« Reply #548 on: September 01, 2023, 04:35:56 AM »
For all anyone knows,the judges could be looking for the second place man in this call out.

I`ve seen it quite a few times where the overall winner doesn`t get called much, if at all, because he`s already a shoe in for first place, and the battle is for 2nd. place on down.

Anyway,it`s getting stupid, this was 43 years ago,and nothing will ever change the fact that
"Arnold is numero uno"!  :D


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It's Happened to me when competing -
also It happened to Dorian when he won his pro card he was such a clear standout after the quarter turn group comparisons he didnt get called.

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Re: 1980 Olympia - CBS never released the footage
« Reply #549 on: September 01, 2023, 04:40:39 AM »

This x 2

It's Happened to me when competing -
also It happened to Dorian when he won his pro card he was such a clear standout after the quarter turn group comparisons he didnt get called.
Yup,at times,the clear cut winner never even gets compared, he`s just so far ahead of the pack there is no need for any comparisons.