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Re: Why old school bodybuilders had nicer physiques than today
« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2015, 02:41:07 PM »
look at this horrible workout. everything is half reps and he calls it "constant tension"  ::) ::)



I can't see the relevance to jason huh, one of the best builds around today. Huge, tiny waist, no lagging parts. He knows what works for him so he does it. Its bodybuilding not "perfect form full reps building".



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Re: Why old school bodybuilders had nicer physiques than today
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2015, 02:43:39 PM »
I can't see the relevance to jason huh, one of the best builds around today. Huge, tiny waist, no lagging parts. He knows what works for him so he does it. Its bodybuilding not "perfect form full reps building".



his chest is lagging.
He's so good that he doesn't place well.

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Re: Why old school bodybuilders had nicer physiques than today
« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2015, 02:57:08 PM »
Huh is a great example of a bloofy fuck.  Ironage past these guys never looked like bloated meatballs.  Most were only weeks away from being contest ready year round.  Huh lacks that density I was talking about.

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Re: Why old school bodybuilders had nicer physiques than today
« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2015, 03:04:31 PM »
I can't see the relevance to jason huh, one of the best builds around today. Huge, tiny waist, no lagging parts. He knows what works for him so he does it. Its bodybuilding not "perfect form full reps building".




Is he guest posing in that shot? lol. He looks like shit. Not one vein to be seen. As El Diablo Blanco stated, he just looks like an oversized meatball. Looks bloofy. No detail, no real separation. Legs look like shit.

Come on dude, this really doesn't work for him. The drugs work for him.

As stated, it only works for him because of the amount of drugs he is on. I mean, did you ever see arnold training like this? could arnold have looked like he did using half reps? Of course, most pros could use half reps and still look awesome. But a lot of pros prefer to train hard and the correct way.

His training methods just signifies an overall lack of effort in the gym and an overreliance on drugs, compared to the earlier bodybuilders. You know how many of todays bodybuilders use this "half rep" bullshit. Its definitely an interesting correlation between training like shit and the abuse of drugs. Its like, as the drug use increased, training hard decreased.
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Re: Why old school bodybuilders had nicer physiques than today
« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2015, 03:07:53 PM »
Back in the 60's-80's it was fine to do exercises like behind the neck shoulder presses, upright rows, squats, deadlifts, bent over rows, flat and incline barbell bench and behind the neck pullddowns.

In the 90's the lazy mentality came out and called all of these exercises as dangerous and lifters stopped doing them.  They resorted to ideas of just dumbell presses, leg press machines, row machines and hammer strength equipment.  The guys in the old days had what seemed to be very dense muslcular phyisques where today they look more blown up than chiselled.  Guys like Coleman and Dorian were a hybrid of the old school training vs. New School so they had that solid dense look but also that blown up look mixed in.  Then guys like Flex, Jay, Heath etc... have that blown up smooth muscle look and not that dense striated look.

Sure you can blame insulin and GH but today's lazy lifters have forgotten about the exercies that would make them solid and not bloofy fucks.

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Re: Why old school bodybuilders had nicer physiques than today
« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2015, 03:27:58 PM »
Yeah, too bad he is slamming a shit ton of gear. No matter how he looks, its still a pathetic excuse for a workout. Arnold would never be caught dead training that badly. Or any guy from the early 2000's or earlier.

Of course its easy to say, "its the way he looks," but maybe if he trained harder and the right way, he wouldn't have to destroy his body to the extent that he is. Drugs are totally carrying him. Sad. Of course drugs carry all bodybuilders, but you can definitely tell a difference in physique wise by those who train right. And its not like he is placing that high either. If he was winning every contest he competed in, then it may matter. But hes not.

He trains unconventional but that's no reason for me to say it's 'bad' or 'lazy' training, simply because there's no such thing as one specific single regimen that works.
Winning a show is based on much more than someones training or drug protocol.

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Re: Why old school bodybuilders had nicer physiques than today
« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2015, 04:35:54 PM »
He trains unconventional but that's no reason for me to say it's 'bad' or 'lazy' training, simply because there's no such thing as one specific single regimen that works.
Winning a show is based on much more than someones training or drug protocol.

No, dude, he trains lazy lol. This is not even unconventional. He is barely completing reps. Its called weightlifting, because you're supposed to lift the weight.  :) :) :D :D
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Re: Why old school bodybuilders had nicer physiques than today
« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2015, 04:52:25 PM »
Hmmm...We are about to witness the birth of a new word.

Schmoetocol.  The absolute most important part of a top (or depending upon preference, "bottom") bodybuilder in today's highly competitive Arena of the Ahnus.  

The Weider Private Principals (autocorrect tried to change it to "Weirder")  were the foundation, the bedrock if you will, upon which today's modern Schmoetocols are based.  

Schmoetocols.  The most important asspect of a championship lifestyle.

The creativity is still strong I see, are you on drugs or using Weider's Instinctive Prototroll? :D

No, dude, he trains lazy lol. This is not even unconventional. He is barely completing reps. Its called weightlifting, because you're supposed to lift the weight.  :) :) :D :D

I've seen halva reps, quarter reps, but no one else performing octo reps. I'm far from dogmatic when it comes to training; the goal should be hypertrophy, and there are multiple ways to reach that goal.

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Re: Why old school bodybuilders had nicer physiques than today
« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2015, 05:23:13 PM »

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Re: Why old school bodybuilders had nicer physiques than today
« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2015, 05:50:04 PM »
Made it 2:45 into that video. That's possible the longest I've ever been able to watch any of the new pros on video. Seems like a good dude. 

Every single rep, even the super light warm ups, a half rep? It's clearly working for him.
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Re: Why old school bodybuilders had nicer physiques than today
« Reply #35 on: January 06, 2015, 05:53:16 PM »
The creativity is still strong I see, are you on drugs or using Weider's Instinctive Prototroll? :D

I've seen halva reps, quarter reps, but no one else performing octo reps. I'm far from dogmatic when it comes to training; the goal should be hypertrophy, and there are multiple ways to reach that goal.

I wonder why pros back in the 70s, 80s, 90s didnt train this way. I mean, if you can get huge by doing "half reps (hell those werent even half reps), why doesn't more pros do them? And please, do not say because it wouldnt work for them lol. I guess Jason's genetics are sooooo great that he can get huge from doing half reps.  :o :o
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Re: Why old school bodybuilders had nicer physiques than today
« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2015, 06:00:24 PM »
LOL!  At around 2 minutes in he states, "And I'm five-nine, goddamit!  Not five -hree.  Not four-three.  Not five-six..."

This fat fuck can't even breath just sitting there. What an athlete.

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Re: Why old school bodybuilders had nicer physiques than today
« Reply #37 on: January 06, 2015, 06:02:53 PM »
Is he guest posing in that shot? lol. He looks like shit. Not one vein to be seen. As El Diablo Blanco stated, he just looks like an oversized meatball. Looks bloofy. No detail, no real separation. Legs look like shit.

Come on dude, this really doesn't work for him. The drugs work for him.

As stated, it only works for him because of the amount of drugs he is on. I mean, did you ever see arnold training like this? could arnold have looked like he did using half reps? Of course, most pros could use half reps and still look awesome. But a lot of pros prefer to train hard and the correct way.

His training methods just signifies an overall lack of effort in the gym and an overreliance on drugs, compared to the earlier bodybuilders. You know how many of todays bodybuilders use this "half rep" bullshit. Its definitely an interesting correlation between training like shit and the abuse of drugs. Its like, as the drug use increased, training hard decreased.


No he is just fat. In poor condition. Likely is refusing diuretics as well. Perception reality, maybe I see it different, but in my eyes that is classic bodybuilding with todays size. No insane oil bags, huge arms, back, shoulders are a bit oversized, chest is good. A legit 32" waist on stage.



I "train" (oh brother) somewhat similar to Jason now a days. Lightweights, high reps, my rep range is better than his; but still miles away from full lockout. I understand my muscles now, when they are working in their effective range, how to increase the pump, etc etc.

Go hammer out a set of 10 slow full rep bicep curls with the 40's.

Then go hammer out a set of 15 fast rep constant tension curls with the 25's.

Protip: the latter will be more brutal  ;)

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Re: Why old school bodybuilders had nicer physiques than today
« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2015, 06:15:04 PM »
look at this horrible workout. everything is half reps and he calls it "constant tension"  ::) ::)



If you knew anything about training and current science you would know that "full reps" often waste a ton of energy on movement that does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for actual muscle growth... But that's why I am 245 pretty fucking shredded and you are - well you looked in a mirror today so you know the disappointment. - lol

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Re: Why old school bodybuilders had nicer physiques than today
« Reply #39 on: January 06, 2015, 06:20:51 PM »
Yeah, too bad he is slamming a shit ton of gear. No matter how he looks, its still a pathetic excuse for a workout. Arnold would never be caught dead training that badly. Or any guy from the early 2000's or earlier.

Of course its easy to say, "its the way he looks," but maybe if he trained harder and the right way, he wouldn't have to destroy his body to the extent that he is. Drugs are totally carrying him. Sad. Of course drugs carry all bodybuilders, but you can definitely tell a difference in physique wise by those who train right. And its not like he is placing that high either. If he was winning every contest he competed in, then it may matter. But hes not.

You really are an ignorant fucker... There were guys abusing INSANE amounts of gear in the 70's and 80's - hell I trained with guys in the 90's that were big time pros from the 80's and a few couldn't believe I used so little.. I just am fortunate to not need much.. Admittedly back then I had a "job" that was not conducive to being extremely large by bodybuilding standards..  You fools would be "queerly appalled" by the things that are actually encouraged of our operators..  Lol - I guess I come to this place to remind me how fucked up so many of the weak are...

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Re: Why old school bodybuilders had nicer physiques than today
« Reply #40 on: January 06, 2015, 06:23:27 PM »
If you knew anything about training and current science you would know that "full reps" often waste a ton of energy on movement that does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for actual muscle growth... But that's why I am 245 pretty fucking shredded and you are - well you looked in a mirror today so you know the disappointment. - lol

You fucking beast!!!
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Re: Why old school bodybuilders had nicer physiques than today
« Reply #41 on: January 06, 2015, 06:27:27 PM »
You really are an ignorant fucker... There were guys abusing INSANE amounts of gear in the 70's and 80's - hell I trained with guys in the 90's that were big time pros from the 80's and a few couldn't believe I used so little.. I just am fortunate to not need much.. Admittedly back then I had a "job" that was not conducive to being extremely large by bodybuilding standards..  You fools would be "queerly appalled" by the things that are actually encouraged of our operators..  Lol - I guess I come to this place to remind me how fucked up so many of the weak are...

It keeps me up at night that I am ignorant about training and steroid use. Sometimes I wish I knew more. I do read a lot of Flex Magazines to increase my knowledge about training, but that is not working. I was thinking about calling Charles Glass to receive some pointers. It really is bothersome that I have remained ignorant about training and drug use all these years. It keeps me awake at night.
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Re: Why old school bodybuilders had nicer physiques than today
« Reply #42 on: January 06, 2015, 06:30:34 PM »
If you knew anything about training and current science you would know that "full reps" often waste a ton of energy on movement that does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for actual muscle growth... But that's why I am 245 pretty fucking shredded and you are - well you looked in a mirror today so you know the disappointment. - lol

Would you say that you are "about 250 @ 8%"? Because that would be something to see.

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Re: Why old school bodybuilders had nicer physiques than today
« Reply #43 on: January 06, 2015, 06:38:27 PM »
Would you say that you are "about 250 @ 8%"? Because that would be something to see.

Haha.


I know of another poster who made these outlandish claims.


Sadly he is off on business.

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Re: Why old school bodybuilders had nicer physiques than today
« Reply #44 on: January 06, 2015, 07:05:59 PM »

Sadly he is off on business.
In Dubai? INDIA?

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Re: Why old school bodybuilders had nicer physiques than today
« Reply #45 on: January 07, 2015, 12:39:02 AM »
I wonder why pros back in the 70s, 80s, 90s didnt train this way. I mean, if you can get huge by doing "half reps (hell those werent even half reps), why doesn't more pros do them? And please, do not say because it wouldnt work for them lol. I guess Jason's genetics are sooooo great that he can get huge from doing half reps.  :o :o

I've got a good read for you "Reps!" from Robert Kennedy. Back in the day you've had unorthodox training styles as well, and BTW, someone like Sergio Oliva was known for his partial reps, and more recent, Ronnie as well.
A full ROM isn't the 'holy grail', only iron-fundamentalists think that way...

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Re: Why old school bodybuilders had nicer physiques than today
« Reply #46 on: January 07, 2015, 03:51:20 AM »

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Re: Why old school bodybuilders had nicer physiques than today
« Reply #47 on: February 02, 2015, 06:09:32 AM »
Forillagorilla sounds like The trainer second coming. All talk.

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Re: Why old school bodybuilders had nicer physiques than today
« Reply #48 on: February 02, 2015, 06:30:49 AM »
Huh is a great example of a bloofy fuck.  Ironage past these guys never looked like bloated meatballs.  Most were only weeks away from being contest ready year round.  Huh lacks that density I was talking about.

BINGO> Trying to maintain too much size reduces the muscle quality.

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Re: Why old school bodybuilders had nicer physiques than today
« Reply #49 on: February 02, 2015, 07:02:35 AM »
Forillagorilla sounds like The trainer second coming. All talk.

That's my guess too.