American Sniper - Who has seen this movie?

[SF1900]

Oh the fat dumpy liberal who has made ton of his able to have free speech right? Fuck him and trying to stay relevant. He just wants people to talk about him. I hope he chocks on a chicken wing 

Remember, that is the free speech that you fought for. The ability to pretty much say anything we want, even if it offends the other person.

I mean, you even sacrificed one of your legs for his free speech. Now you have a bum knee.

[El Diablo Blanco]

Just 2 hours of American RA RA RA bullshit.  Successful Sniper?  So in other words he killed the most people in a foreign country that they invaded.  Nice fucking bullshit resume.

[Competitor 9]

Remember, that is the free speech that you fought for. The ability to pretty much say anything we want, even if it offends the other person.

I mean, you even sacrificed one of your legs for his free speech. Now you have a bum knee.

Yep but because a free speech dosnt mean I have to agree with it because it "edge" he disagrees with my lifestyle and career choice and I disagree with his. Just how he can voclize his option so can I

[Competitor 9]

Just 2 hours of American RA RA RA bullshit.  Successful Sniper?  So in other words he killed the most people in a foreign country that they invaded.  Nice fucking bullshit resume.

You sound like a liberal European... I'm I close?

[Competitor 9]

Here are the facts, did Iraq have chemical weapons? Yes there is no question. Did he move then in the 18 months heading up to the war. Yep

Do I think Invading Iraq was a just cause. Personal no I dont

Did it speed up and add the recruitment of terrorist. Absolutely

But don't act like the us in the cause of terrorism

These guys want to kill ever no Muslim in the world. So why you knock us for being murders that fine you can look around the world and see the pure evil these people have used to brain washed muslims with

They are a cancer and if you want to sit back and let then bring there ideology to your front drop step that fine.

If rather go cut the tumor out before it speads

[tommywishbone]

Just 2 hours of American RA RA RA bullshit.  Successful Sniper?  So in other words he killed the most people in a foreign country that they invaded.  Nice fucking bullshit resume.

I'm sure somewhere, there are Nazi's that think a certain German soldier who was stationed in occupied France and killed a hundred French resistance fighters was a hero. Of course to the rest of the world, that soldier was just a murdering Nazi.

[Competitor 9]

I'm sure somewhere, there are Nazi's that think a certain German soldier who was stationed in occupied France and killed a hundred French resistance fighters was a hero. Of course to the rest of the world, that soldier was just a murdering Nazi.

True it is all in contest, to a die hard Muslim they are all heros because they are doing gods "will" to the rest of the world they are nasty violent people that want to set human right back 2000 years and murder anybody who isn't like them.

[El Diablo Blanco]

Here are the facts, did Iraq have chemical weapons? Yes there is no question. Did he move then in the 18 months heading up to the war. Yep

Do I think Invading Iraq was a just cause. Personal no I dont

Did it speed up and add the recruitment of terrorist. Absolutely

But don't act like the us in the cause of terrorism

These guys want to kill ever no Muslim in the world. So why you knock us for being murders that fine you can look around the world and see the pure evil these people have used to brain washed muslims with

They are a cancer and if you want to sit back and let then bring there ideology to your front drop step that fine.

If rather go cut the tumor out before it speads

You are too brainwashed by your military.  They make you think every muslim wants to kill every every non muslim and decided to wait hundreds of years to attack now and that the USA fucking in their business had nothing to do with it. 

[Natural Man]

You are too brainwashed by your military.  They make you think every muslim wants to kill every every non muslim and decided to wait hundreds of years to attack now and that the USA fucking in their business had nothing to do with it. 

all muslims want the planet to be muslim. All of them.

[Competitor 9]

You are too brainwashed by your military.  They make you think every muslim wants to kill every every non muslim and decided to wait hundreds of years to attack now and that the USA fucking in their business had nothing to do with it. 

If your going to come up with a counter point can you please make it one that's even worth debating? The Koran itself has violence written in it about killing the non believers. 

[Competitor 9]

You are too brainwashed by your military.  They make you think every muslim wants to kill every every non muslim and decided to wait hundreds of years to attack now and that the USA fucking in their business had nothing to do with it. 

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful.   And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone.  But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"  (Translation is from the Noble Quran)  The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries.  In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did).  The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse).  The actual Arabic comes from "fitna" which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation.  Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until "religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.
 
Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."
 
Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."  Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time.  From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.
 
Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
 
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".  This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').
 
Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."  The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter.  These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah.  This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.
 
Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"
 
Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."
 
Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"  This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes.  It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle.  Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption.  (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse).
 
Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..."  Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?


Yep peaceful religion

[Agnostic007]

Clint Eastwood has done it again.....Eastwood has proved many times why he's a very good actor as well as a good director. someone will grab an Oscar soon......but, here's what Michael Moore tweeted about this movie....he quickly said his statement was taking out of context......

“My uncle killed by sniper in WW2. We were taught snipers were cowards. Will shoot u in the back. Snipers aren’t heroes. And invaders r worse.”

Some kids were taught racism is good. your point?

[Nails]

bayonet soldier are a dead breed

now that is a movie i would love to see, a real war hero fighting it out with knife attached to his empty rifle

[Agnostic007]

all muslims want the planet to be muslim. All of them.

All christians want the planet to be Christian.. all of them...

[Competitor 9]

bayonet soldier are a dead breed

now that is a movie i would love to see, a real war hero fighting it out with knife attached to his empty rifle

Those days are long gone as they should be. Strategies evolve with technologies. We have anti ship missiles that can take ships out out 100+ miles. What would be the point of getting a mile away from each other and using are 5" gun? There isn't

[Competitor 9]

All christians want the planet to be Christian.. all of them...

Haha I was hoping that would come up

This isn't the 1200's durning the crusades  which was equally as terrible as Muslims are today

They come to your door and ask you to talk about good or invite you to a social

Muslims hold a gun to your head and either you convert or die, or we will also throw you off a bridge.

Religion is the root of evil it's used to control the masses and cause wars

[Competitor 9]

How are people even trying to defend racial Islam against freedom? Are they trolling or just contrarians

[Agnostic007]

Here are the facts, did Iraq have chemical weapons? Yes there is no question. Did he move then in the 18 months heading up to the war. Yep

Do I think Invading Iraq was a just cause. Personal no I dont

Did it speed up and add the recruitment of terrorist. Absolutely

But don't act like the us in the cause of terrorism

These guys want to kill ever no Muslim in the world. So why you knock us for being murders that fine you can look around the world and see the pure evil these people have used to brain washed muslims with

They are a cancer and if you want to sit back and let then bring there ideology to your front drop step that fine.

If rather go cut the tumor out before it speads

My issue with the Iraq war is that I value life more than those who decide to go to war. Sending our men and women into a war should be the absolute last resort. Because not only do we suffer casualties not just including death.. but missing limbs and mentally damaged brains as well as doing the same for other countries non combatants. People who didn't want, and have nothing to do with our problem. I don't believe we were even close to the last resort when our govenment pulled the trigger and here we are a decade later still at it after thousands of lives, hundreds of thousands of maimed and mentally effected citizens, and what exactly  have we accomplished? I'm a patriotic fella, served 10 yrs in the military and was willing to die for my country, but man..it's gotta make sense...   

[Competitor 9]

My issue with the Iraq war is that I value life more than those who decide to go to war. Sending our men and women into a war should be the absolute last resort. Because not only do we suffer casualties not just including death.. but missing limbs and mentally damaged brains as well as doing the same for other countries non combatants. People who didn't want, and have nothing to do with our problem. I don't believe we were even close to the last resort when our govenment pulled the trigger and here we are a decade later still at it after thousands of lives, hundreds of thousands of maimed and mentally effected citizens, and what exactly  have we accomplished? I'm a patriotic fella, served 10 yrs in the military and was willing to die for my country, but man..it's gotta make sense...    

I couldn't have spoken it better myself. Your 100% right. That's why I don't feel it was a just cause. That's why is so important for people to challenge and ask the right question in a educated manner. Not "no blood for oil" but real pressing questions

What done is done tho and you have to find the best out of a bad situation. I'm hoping that this woke a sleep gaint in Islam "radical Islam" and puts it in the front of the world stage to deal with it rather then have it manifested itself for another 20 years or more. That again is my hope of being optimistic.

I'm sure you been there. That place is the worst part of the world. You would be pissed if you lived there to  

[El Diablo Blanco]

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful.   And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone.  But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"  (Translation is from the Noble Quran)  The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries.  In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did).  The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse).  The actual Arabic comes from "fitna" which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation.  Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until "religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.
 
Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."
 
Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."  Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time.  From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.
 
Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
 
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".  This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').
 
Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."  The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter.  These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah.  This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.
 
Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"
 
Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."
 
Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"  This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes.  It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle.  Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption.  (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse).
 
Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..."  Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?


Yep peaceful religion

nice refererncing a book from 1500 years ago made in the dessert targeted towards Pagan Dessert Dwellers.  Just so you know.  Straight out of the bible



Bible >> Top 10 Violent Bible Verses
 











10.  2 Kings 2:23-24

He [Elisha] went up from there to Bethel; and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, “Go away, baldhead! Go away, baldhead!” When he turned around and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two she-bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys. (NRSV)
 

 

 
9.   Exodus 32:27-29

Then he said to them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.' "The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. Then Moses said, "You have been set apart to the LORD today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day."(NIV)
 
 

 
8.   2 Chronicles 25:12

The sons of Judah also captured 10,000 alive and brought them to the top of the cliff and threw them down from the top of the cliff, so that they were all dashed to pieces.(NASB)
 
 

 
7.   Judges 12:5-6

Then the Gileadites took the fords of the Jordan against the Ephraimites. Whenever one of the fugitives of Ephraim said, “Let me go over,” the men of Gilead would say to him, “Are you an Ephraimite?” When he said, “No” they said to him, “Then say Shibboleth” and he said, “Sibboleth,” for he could not pronounce it right. Then they seized him and killed him at the fords of the Jordan. Forty-two thousand of the Ephraimites fell at that time. (NRSV)

 

 
6.   1 Kings 20:28-30

Then a man of God came and spoke to the king of Israel, and said, “Thus says the LORD: 'Because the Syrians have said, “The LORD is God of the hills, but He is not God of the valleys,” therefore I will deliver all this great multitude into your hand, and you shall know that I am the LORD.’” And they encamped opposite each other for seven days.
 
So it was that on the seventh day the battle was joined; and the children of Israel killed one hundred thousand foot soldiers of the Syrians in one day. But the rest fled to Aphek, into the city; then a wall fell on twenty-seven thousand of the men who were left. (NKJV)
 
 

 
5.   Joshua 8:24-26

When the Israelite army finished chasing and killing all the men of Ai in the open fields, they went back and finished off everyone inside. So the entire population of Ai, including men and women, was wiped out that day—12,000 in all. For Joshua kept holding out his spear until everyone who had lived in Ai was completely destroyed. (NLT)
 
 

 
4.   Deuteronomy 2:32-34

Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, unto battle at Jahaz. And Jehovah our God delivered him up before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed every inhabited city, with the women and the little ones; we left none remaining. (ASV)
 
 

 
3.   Deuteronomy 3:3-6

So the LORD our God delivered Og also, king of Bashan, with all his people into our hand, and we smote them until no survivor was left. We captured all his cities at that time; there was not a city which we did not take from them: sixty cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. All these were cities fortified with high walls, gates and bars, besides a great many unwalled towns. We utterly destroyed them, as we did to Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women and children of every city. (NASB)
 
 

 
2.   1 Samuel 15:3,8

Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' " … He took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally destroyed with the sword.(NIV)
 
 

 
1.   Hosea 13:16

Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open. (NRSV)
 
*Note - The Flood myth where God kills the whole world is left out.
 

[SF1900]

Yep but because a free speech dosnt mean I have to agree with it because it "edge" he disagrees with my lifestyle and career choice and I disagree with his. Just how he can voclize his option so can I

Of course. I never free speech was one sided. It affords everyone the right to speak their minds.

[Competitor 9]

Wait we are talking about Islam and you make funny if me quoting there bible? That's what the religion is based on??

You quoted Old Testament with was very violent, that's the whole point of the New Testament is to show live and compassion to all people

I'm not even chirstian and I know that.

Are you just really bad at debating or just have no clue what your defending?

[SF1900]

Wait we are talking about Islam and you make funny if me quoting there bible? That's what the religion is based on??

You quoted Old Testament with was very violent, that's the whole point of the New Testament is to show live and compassion to all people

I'm not even chirstian and I know that.

Are you just really bad at debating or just have no clue what your defending?

Don't even take the route of the old vs new testament. Its all bullshit and religious peoples excuse to discredit all of the violence in the old testament. not to mention that the new testament also has violence and other bad shit in it.

people cant choose to just throw away the old testament. if the old testament is the word of god, who are we to just say, "oh well, the new testament is more important, let not pay attention to the old testament?"  Its funny that the word of god is so sacred, yet people will just ignore the old testament like it didn't exist. But that is supposed to be the word of god. how can you just ignore it?  doesnt work that way.

[SF1900]

here ya go navy mike

We could cite many reasons for the Old Testament being God’s Word, but the strongest argument comes from the Lord Jesus himself. As God in human flesh, Jesus speaks with final authority. And his testimony regarding the Old Testament is loud and clear.

Jesus believed that the Old Testament was divinely inspired, the veritable Word of God. He said, ‘The Scripture cannot be broken’ (John 10:35). He referred to Scripture as ‘the commandment of God’ (Matthew 15:3) and as the ‘Word of God’ (Mark 7:13). He also indicated that it was indestructible: ‘Until Heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the law, until all is accomplished’ (Matthew 5:18).

When dealing with the people of his day, whether it was with the disciples or religious rulers, Jesus constantly referred to the Old Testament: ‘Have you not read that which was spoken to you by God?’ (Matthew 22:31); ‘Yea; and have you never read, “Out of the mouth of infants and nursing babes thou has prepared praise for thyself”?’ (Matthew 21:16, citing Psalm 8:2); and ‘Have you not read what David did?’ (Matthew 12:3). Examples could be multiplied to demonstrate that Jesus was conversant with the Old Testament and its content. He quoted from it often and he trusted it totally.

Throughout the Gospels, we find Jesus confirming many of the accounts in the Old Testament, such as the destruction of Sodom and the death of Lot’s wife (Luke 17:29, 32) the murder of Abel by his brother Cain (Luke 11:51), the calling of Moses (Mark 12:26), and the manna given in the wilderness (John 6:31–51).

The list of examples goes on, and the evidence is clear: Jesus saw the Old Testament as being God’s Word, and his attitude toward it was nothing less than total trust. Many people want to accept Jesus, yet they reject a large portion of the Old Testament. Either Jesus knew what he was talking about, or he didn’t. If a person believes in Jesus Christ, he should be consistent and believe that the Old Testament and its accounts are correct.[/b]

[Competitor 9]

here ya go navy mike

We could cite many reasons for the Old Testament being God’s Word, but the strongest argument comes from the Lord Jesus himself. As God in human flesh, Jesus speaks with final authority. And his testimony regarding the Old Testament is loud and clear.

Jesus believed that the Old Testament was divinely inspired, the veritable Word of God. He said, ‘The Scripture cannot be broken’ (John 10:35). He referred to Scripture as ‘the commandment of God’ (Matthew 15:3) and as the ‘Word of God’ (Mark 7:13). He also indicated that it was indestructible: ‘Until Heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the law, until all is accomplished’ (Matthew 5:18).

When dealing with the people of his day, whether it was with the disciples or religious rulers, Jesus constantly referred to the Old Testament: ‘Have you not read that which was spoken to you by God?’ (Matthew 22:31); ‘Yea; and have you never read, “Out of the mouth of infants and nursing babes thou has prepared praise for thyself”?’ (Matthew 21:16, citing Psalm 8:2); and ‘Have you not read what David did?’ (Matthew 12:3). Examples could be multiplied to demonstrate that Jesus was conversant with the Old Testament and its content. He quoted from it often and he trusted it totally.

Throughout the Gospels, we find Jesus confirming many of the accounts in the Old Testament, such as the destruction of Sodom and the death of Lot’s wife (Luke 17:29, 32) the murder of Abel by his brother Cain (Luke 11:51), the calling of Moses (Mark 12:26), and the manna given in the wilderness (John 6:31–51).

The list of examples goes on, and the evidence is clear: Jesus saw the Old Testament as being God’s Word, and his attitude toward it was nothing less than total trust. Many people want to accept Jesus, yet they reject a large portion of the Old Testament. Either Jesus knew what he was talking about, or he didn’t. If a person believes in Jesus Christ, he should be consistent and believe that the Old Testament and its accounts are correct.[/b]

Let me preface this by saying I'm not a christan so I'm not going to act like I'm very informed on this. But that is the while point of the old version the new. It's to show evolution and that ideas and things have changed.

On one hand the Old Testament is acts of GODS violence vs what the acts of ever faithful Muslim must do. That not even in the same zip code.  Show me where in either testament God or Jesus says to convert or kill the nine believes