Author Topic: Man assaulted by vigilante at a Florida Walmart. (Read 19691 times)

King Shizzo · « **on:** January 23, 2015, 01:00:38 AM »

A simple errand turned violent for Clarence Daniels this week when he went to Walmart for some coffee creamer and wound up in a chokehold.

Upon arriving at the Walmart in Florida’s Hillsborough County on Tuesday, the 62-year-old Daniels, who is black, grabbed his handgun from his car and slipped it into a hip holster underneath his coat. Watching this from inside the store was Michael Foster, a 43-year-old white man described by the Tampa Bay Times as “a well-intentioned vigilante.” As soon as Daniels walked into the store, Foster tackled him, shouting, “He’s got a gun!” Ignoring Daniels’ repeated yells of, “I have a permit!” Foster proceeded to put him into a chokehold. When sheriff’s deputies arrived on the scene, they confirmed that Daniels was indeed a concealed carry permit holder and Foster was arrested and charged with battery.

Fortunately, no one was injured in the scuffle, which might explain why the incident was not widely covered and why the local coverage chalked it up to an honest misunderstanding. And maybe it was an honest misunderstanding. But Foster’s instinct to take matters into his own hands and attack a man he thought might pose a threat to his fellow Walmart shoppers pulls into focus the state of vigilantism in the U.S., and Florida in particular.

The rest of the article can be found here:http://news.yahoo.com/man-assaulted-by-vigilante-at-florida-walmart-230643501.html

bigmc · « **Reply #1 on:** January 23, 2015, 01:31:55 AM »

do americans really feel the need

to have to take a gun in to the grocery store

King Shizzo · « **Reply #2 on:** January 23, 2015, 01:39:42 AM »

Quote from: bigmc on January 23, 2015, 01:31:55 AM

do americans really feel the need

to have to take a gun in to the grocery store

That's what concealed carry is. You take your gun everywhere you go.

Some people have open carry, which just makes everyone uncomfortable.

bigmc · « **Reply #3 on:** January 23, 2015, 01:43:37 AM »

Quote from: Shizzo on January 23, 2015, 01:39:42 AM

That's what concealed carry is. You take your gun everywhere you go.

Some people have open carry, which just makes everyone uncomfortable.

i still think its a recipe for disaster

are they expecting to have a shoot out fighting over the last can of beans ffs

Skorp1o · « **Reply #4 on:** January 23, 2015, 01:45:49 AM »

Quote from: bigmc on January 23, 2015, 01:31:55 AM

do americans really feel the need

to have to take a gun in to the grocery store

They're at war with themselves.

King Shizzo · « **Reply #5 on:** January 23, 2015, 01:47:29 AM »

Quote from: bigmc on January 23, 2015, 01:43:37 AM

i still think its a recipe for disaster

are they expecting to have a shoot out fighting over the last can of beans ffs

I guess they plan on the unexpected. Although trying to whip out a gun during an altercation or robbery, seems to be harder than what you see in the movies.

bigmc · « **Reply #6 on:** January 23, 2015, 01:59:46 AM »

Quote from: Shizzo on January 23, 2015, 01:47:29 AM

I guess they plan on the unexpected. Although trying to whip out a gun during an altercation or robbery, seems to be harder than what you see in the movies.

if the guy tackled had been a bit more switched on

he might have drawn and shot the guy restraining him

what would have happened then seems like he could have claimed self defence

also the guy tackling the gun holder has racially stereotyped him

King Shizzo · « **Reply #7 on:** January 23, 2015, 02:24:44 AM »

Quote from: bigmc on January 23, 2015, 01:59:46 AM

if the guy tackled had been a bit more switched on

he might have drawn and shot the guy restraining him

what would have happened then seems like he could have claimed self defence

also the guy tackling the gun holder has racially stereotyped him

Im not sure if it was about race. The black guy was in his 60's......

He was an idiot for putting his gun in his holster in the parking lot for everyone to see.

We are taught that the only people with guns (in public) should be the police. People have the right to carry, but it is a slippery slope when it comes to civilians with firearms in public.

Can you conceal carry at a bank?

240 is Back · « **Reply #8 on:** January 23, 2015, 03:00:05 AM »

2 idiots.

One is a CCW idiot letting his gun show because he's ignorant and insecure.

One is zimmerman wannabe that tackles strangers instead of calling 911.

in times like these, you kinda wish a shelf had fallen and crushed them both in the melee.

DroppingPlates · « **Reply #9 on:** January 23, 2015, 03:00:38 AM »

Story tells nothing about his favorite coffee creamer brand $:-\$

thegamechanger · « **Reply #10 on:** January 23, 2015, 04:22:58 AM »

whatabout flexing your GUNS in teh parking lot before going into the store and then be tackled because you got massive tri's and bi's?

_aj_ · « **Reply #11 on:** January 23, 2015, 04:52:14 AM »

Quote from: bigmc on January 23, 2015, 01:43:37 AM

i still think its a recipe for disaster

are they expecting to have a shoot out fighting over the last can of beans ffs

In Florida alone, there are millions of concealed carry permit holders. This is not an everyday occurance.

In NH, we have concealed permits, but you can open carry without a permit. I was in a Walmart once and saw a big white dude with a POS "Uncle Mikes" holster carrying a POS Ruger 9mm in open carry. I knew he wasn't a cop because of the crappiness of his holster.

I asked him if he was LEO and when he said no, we just started talking about guns. I mentioned that he needed some decent leather and he knew it.

It's culture. We don't have a lot (any?) crime and a lot of guns, so it's normal or at least not scary abnormal to see that. In FL, folks are a little more edgy. Especially since the legal carry permit holder in this story was Hebrew.

El Diablo Blanco · « **Reply #12 on:** January 23, 2015, 07:21:45 AM »

Quote from: bigmc on January 23, 2015, 01:31:55 AM

do americans really feel the need

to have to take a gun in to the grocery store

Have you ever stepped foot into a Walmart?

King Shizzo · « **Reply #13 on:** January 23, 2015, 07:28:22 AM »

I love the idiots that walk around with assault rifles strapped on their backs.

_aj_ · « **Reply #14 on:** January 23, 2015, 07:31:57 AM »

Quote from: Shizzo on January 23, 2015, 07:28:22 AM

I love the idiots that walk around with assault rifles strapped on their backs.

You mean the Swiss? They're OK...

muscleman-2013 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 23, 2015, 07:33:12 AM »

Quote from: Shizzo on January 23, 2015, 01:00:38 AM

A simple errand turned violent for Clarence Daniels this week when he went to Walmart for some coffee creamer and wound up in a chokehold.

Upon arriving at the Walmart in Florida’s Hillsborough County on Tuesday, the 62-year-old Daniels, who is black, grabbed his handgun from his car and slipped it into a hip holster underneath his coat. Watching this from inside the store was Michael Foster, a 43-year-old white man described by the Tampa Bay Times as “a well-intentioned vigilante.” As soon as Daniels walked into the store, Foster tackled him, shouting, “He’s got a gun!” Ignoring Daniels’ repeated yells of, “I have a permit!” Foster proceeded to put him into a chokehold. When sheriff’s deputies arrived on the scene, they confirmed that Daniels was indeed a concealed carry permit holder and Foster was arrested and charged with battery.

Fortunately, no one was injured in the scuffle, which might explain why the incident was not widely covered and why the local coverage chalked it up to an honest misunderstanding. And maybe it was an honest misunderstanding. But Foster’s instinct to take matters into his own hands and attack a man he thought might pose a threat to his fellow Walmart shoppers pulls into focus the state of vigilantism in the U.S., and Florida in particular.

The rest of the article can be found here:http://news.yahoo.com/man-assaulted-by-vigilante-at-florida-walmart-230643501.html

What a pile of baloney. The effing media and govt is telling people to be afraid of guns. This guy wasn't an example of a vigilante, he was a product of US media and govt propaganda.

G_Thang · « **Reply #16 on:** January 23, 2015, 07:40:49 AM »

Help Me! Why do people need a gun when shopping at Walmart, given it's a big thrift shop? Didn't some kid just cap his mom 2 or 3 weeks ago?

ritch · « **Reply #17 on:** January 23, 2015, 07:44:07 AM »

should have to take psych and drug tests to be a gun owner.
What % would still be allowed to carry if that were the case?

Voice of Doom · « **Reply #18 on:** January 23, 2015, 07:45:06 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on January 23, 2015, 03:00:05 AM

2 idiots.

One is a CCW idiot letting his gun show because he's ignorant and insecure.

One is zimmerman wannabe that tackles strangers instead of calling 911.

in times like these, you kinda wish a shelf had fallen and crushed them both in the melee.

Exactly. I can't fault the good Samaritan. He saw a guy putting a gun in his pants heading towards a store. If it had been a robbery in progress he would be getting a medal. The permit holder was stupid for not taking the precautions required for carrying concealed. The only issue I see here is that the Samaritan ignored his claims that he "had a permit".

Voice of Doom · « **Reply #19 on:** January 23, 2015, 07:46:18 AM »

Quote from: ritch on January 23, 2015, 07:44:07 AM

should have to take psych and drug tests to be a gun owner.
What % would still be allowed to carry if that were the case?

what percentage of cops or military would be allowed to carry if that were the case?

ritch · « **Reply #20 on:** January 23, 2015, 08:07:43 AM »

Quote from: Voice of Doom on January 23, 2015, 07:46:18 AM

what percentage of cops or military would be allowed to carry if that were the case?

Shit.
Ya got me here, lol...

240 is Back · « **Reply #21 on:** January 23, 2015, 08:08:16 AM »

Quote from: Voice of Doom on January 23, 2015, 07:45:06 AM

Exactly. I can't fault the good Samaritan. He saw a guy putting a gun in his pants heading towards a store. If it had been a robbery in progress he would be getting a medal. The permit holder was stupid for not taking the precautions required for carrying concealed. The only issue I see here is that the Samaritan ignored his claims that he "had a permit".

he thought he was walking - unarmed - into a life/death struggle. He should have called 911, or in in the unlikely event he didn't have a phone, notify door greeter/customer/whoever to call 911. He wanted to single-handedly disarm the older man. The problem is, the old man just sees some young kid tackle him without explanation - that gun might go off in the struggle and shoot an innocent bystander.
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SF1900 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 23, 2015, 08:23:27 AM »

Yup, no problems with open and carry. Everything will go smoothly, just like the NRA says. No foreseeable problems with people walking around with guns. Every human being that has a gun will follow the rules accordingly and there will be no problems whatsoever. Other people walking the streets will be able to perfectly distinguish between a criminal with a gun and a law abiding citizen with a gun. It's that easy. No problem at all.

JOHN MATRIX · « **Reply #23 on:** January 23, 2015, 08:25:05 AM »

millions of americans carry on a daily basis and nothing happens...most people arent even aware that there are people carrying around them every day...yet the media blows up these anomoulous fluke situations and tries to cast them to call into question the whole gun thing

i guess "Millions of americans carried guns today and nothing happened' doesnt make for a good headline

Schnauzer · « **Reply #24 on:** January 23, 2015, 08:26:22 AM »

With all the shootings at WalMart, I don't know that I can blame the guy that tackled the armed Hebrew.

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In 2014, there were at least 92 shooting incidents, leaving 16 people dead and 42 injured. This is up from 2013, where there were 83 shootings, leaving 24 killed and 42 injured -- an increase of over 10%. In 2012, there were "only" 53 shootings.

http://walmartshootings.blogspot.com/