Man assaulted by vigilante at a Florida Walmart.

[Ropo]

do you have an armed police force and an army

And they are all the time everywhere? What is real function of police forces? They come to study what has happen. How this would help you, if someone pulls gun on you when you stand in the traffic lights? Your comments are so childish that you have to be 6 years old, or seriously handicapped, meaning retard.

[_aj_]

And they are all the time everywhere? What is real function of police forces? They come to study what has happen. How this would help you, if someone pulls gun on you when you stand in the traffic lights? Your comments are so childish that you have to be 6 years old, or seriously handicapped, meaning retard.

The courts here very clearly ruled that the police do NOT have a requirement to "protect" the public. Their job is to apprehend bad guys (eventually) and bring them to court.

The job of protection falls to the individual. Feel free to abdicate that responsibility, but don't look for sympathy while the world trends ever-Hobbsian.

[ChuckleHead]

we make drugs, gambling and whoring illegal, but carrying guns is no problem.

if we have to carry guns to feel safe, then it must mean our law enforcement doesn't make us feel safe. yet the answer there isn't examine and fix that, no pay this bastards a good living, giving the best benefits and pensions and then we'll handle protection ourselves.

why the fuck are we paying cops for then?

i can't place a $5 bet on the super bowl because i have to be saved from myself, but i'm allowed to carry a gun.

none of you pro carry people ever ask "why should have to have the need to carry a gun in the first place" and if you do you accept a simpleton's answer "because liberals make it an unsafe place to live".

the powers that be count on being able to brain wash the weak minded and they do and it works.

and the rest of us have to suffer.

[_aj_]

we make drugs, gambling and whoring illegal, but carrying guns is no problem.

if we have to carry guns to feel safe, then it must mean our law enforcement doesn't make us feel safe. yet the answer there isn't examine and fix that, no pay this bastards a good living, giving the best benefits and pensions and then we'll handle protection ourselves.

why the fuck are we paying cops for then?

i can't place a $5 bet on the super bowl because i have to be saved from myself, but i'm allowed to carry a gun.

none of you pro carry people ever ask "why should have to have the need to carry a gun in the first place" and if you do you accept a simpleton's answer "because liberals make it an unsafe place to live".

the powers that be count on being able to brain wash the weak minded and they do and it works.

and the rest of us have to suffer.

Ok. How would you make our country a "safe place to live?" Please be specific about policy changes.

[Tapeworm]

Some good old fashioned CS gas and ducting would be pretty easy to retrofit, along with remote lock for all doors to isolate the intruders, and a PA system and masks for the family.  "Red dog!  Red dog!  Ducks are on the pond!  Proceed to defensive position Alpha.  Countermeasures in 5,4,3,2...!"

[ChuckleHead]

The courts here very clearly ruled that the police do NOT have a requirement to "protect" the public. Their job is to apprehend bad guys (eventually) and bring them to court.

The job of protection falls to the individual. Feel free to abdicate that responsibility, but don't look for sympathy while the world trends ever-Hobbsian.

and so the next question would be, can a society form a group of citizens charged specifically with protecting the rest of the citizens, which we then give a name to such as "police force".

the answer must be yes, that cannot be unconstitutional. so if the courts ruled that, it had to be based on how the police charter was written. the solution is to change the charter so it reads properly. that's it.

that court ruling can be made moot easily.

dude, this is a fucked up country, no way around it.

[_aj_]

Some good old fashioned CS gas and ducting would be pretty easy to retrofit, along with remote lock for all doors to isolate the intruders, and a PA system and masks for the family.  "Red dog!  Red dog!  Ducks are on the pond!  Proceed to defensive position Alpha.  Countermeasures in 5,4,3,2...!"

Haha! My son is always suggesting ideas from Modern Warfare that involve explosives. My wife keeps grumbling, "Don't give your father any ideas".

I like the way that kid thinks.

[_aj_]

and so the next question would be, can a society form a group of citizens charged specifically with protecting the rest of the citizens, which we then give a name to such as "police force".

the answer must be yes, that cannot be unconstitutional. so if the courts ruled that, it had to be based on how the police charter was written. the solution is to change the charter so it reads properly. that's it.

that court ruling can be made moot easily.

dude, this is a fucked up country, no way around it.

The transformation started when police stopped referring to themselves as "Peace Officers" and started using the more appropriate moniker "Law Enforcement Officers"

I think you can see what they did there.

[Tapeworm]

[ChuckleHead]

The transformation started when police stopped referring to themselves as "Peace Officers" and started using the more appropriate moniker "Law Enforcement Officers"

I think you can see what they did there.

you troll without realizing you do.

word games mean something to you? we are the government not the police. if the changed how they refer to themselves, then we change it back. simple, the police force only has the power the people have vested in them, not one shred more.

[_aj_]

you troll without realizing you do.

word games mean something to you? we are the government not the police. if the changed how they refer to themselves, then we change it back. simple, the police force only has the power the people have vested in them, not one shred more.

You appear to have a very simplistic view of the relationship between the State and The People. Perhaps, you can enunciate on this "simple" way of reframing America's police forces.

[Ron Harrigan]

And they are all the time everywhere? What is real function of police forces? They come to study what has happen. How this would help you, if someone pulls gun on you when you stand in the traffic lights? Your comments are so childish that you have to be 6 years old, or seriously handicapped, meaning retard.

Don't be stupid. If someone pulls a gun on you, you are dead meat. Unless you are a martial artist like me that dodges bullets for fun.

[ChuckleHead]

Ok. How would you make our country a "safe place to live?" Please be specific about policy changes.

the answers are simple but complex in their layers. to get into it fully it would take a lot more then a few posts on a forum. and of course none of us, including the cult of FOX, have hard and fast solutions, but more to the point is the direction we move in to find those solutions. are we going to find them moving in the current direction or not?

i think not. i think we need to move in a different direction, take a different approach than we've been doing for many decades.

if you want an easy answer, which i think you other like minded people want, then all you're going to get is failure. when the gun carrying shit causes injustice, you are going to blame someone else, again.

[_aj_]

the answers are simple but complex in their layers. to get into it fully it would take a lot more then a few posts on a forum. and of course none of us, including the cult of FOX, have hard and fast solutions, but more to the point is the direction we move in to find those solutions. are we going to find them moving in the current direction or not?

i think not. i think we need to move in a different direction, take a different approach than we've been doing for many decades.

if you want an easy answer, which i think you other like minded people want, then all you're going to get is failure. when the gun carrying shit causes injustice, you are going to blame someone else, again.

I am a realist. I take active steps to protect myself and my family. Your strategy appears to be to wish really hard for things to change and to decry those that don't share your trust in your wish fantasy.

[Walter Sobchak]

Don't be stupid. If someone pulls a gun on you, you are dead meat. Unless you are a martial artist like me that dodges bullets for fun.

So ridiculously lame.

Really narrows down the list of idiots behind this gimmick

[bigmc]

Ok. How would you make our country a "safe place to live?" Please be specific about policy changes.

you cant but with something like guns

you have to legislate by the lowest common denominator

are you safe to carry a gun i would venture you are

but there are creepy weirdos out there who can go in to a store and buy a gun

that they can then go in to a school and kill multiple victims with

i would argue you make it as difficult as possible for these people to get guns

in the uk you can get a firearm if you are a gangster

but a weirdo cant just walk up to a g and get a gun

it self regulates

do we have gun crime yes

do 18 year old creepy virgins walk in to cinemas and schools and shoot the place up

no

[_aj_]

you cant but with something like guns

you have to legislate by the lowest common denominator

are you safe to carry a gun i would venture you are

but there are creepy weirdos out there who can go in to a store and buy a gun

that they can then go in to a school and kill multiple victims with

i would argue you make it as difficult as possible for these people to get guns

in the uk you can get a firearm if you are a gangster

but a weirdo cant just walk up to a g and get a gun

it self regulates

do we have gun crime yes

do 18 year old creepy virgins walk in to cinemas and schools and shoot the place up

no

I tend to see the world in terms of "criminal" and "non-criminal". If someone is a non-criminal and you create laws and regulation to keep things away from them that others can enjoy, that is called "prior-restraint" and is unlawful. It has its roots, like most of own laws, in English law.

Until it is possible to quantify terms like "creepy" with legally justifiable language, I prefer to let all non-criminals have access. Otherwise, you are just creating a situation where only the criminals have (illegal) guns, which is sub-optimal.

[Voice of Doom]

It doesn't take much to get a CCW. Wouldn't you agree?

It sure as hell does here in Texas.  We have the most in depth background check process of any State in the Union.  All ten fingers printed, FBI database check, 8 hour class and rigorous target shooting requirements.

[evandatp]

Some good old fashioned CS gas and ducting would be pretty easy to retrofit, along with remote lock for all doors to isolate the intruders, and a PA system and masks for the family.  "Red dog!  Red dog!  Ducks are on the pond!  Proceed to defensive position Alpha.  Countermeasures in 5,4,3,2...!"

How much remodelling would your bedroom need before you could get your backhoe behind some type of concealed panel?

[Tapeworm]

How much remodelling would your bedroom need before you could get your backhoe behind some type of concealed panel?

Are you proposing that I stop sleeping in the backhoe?

[Ron Harrigan]

So ridiculously lame.

Really narrows down the list of idiots behind this gimmick

How is the truth 'lame', Walter Suckcock?

[evandatp]

Are you proposing that I stop sleeping in the backhoe?

Perish the thought.

This way you can turn the surprise up to '11'.

And not just for unwelcome guests.

[Ropo]

Don't be stupid. If someone pulls a gun on you, you are dead meat. Unless you are a martial artist like me that dodges bullets for fun.

And you call me stupid? If every time when thugs pull their gun would be killings, there would be piles of dead bodies on the street. Do you think it would be good technique? Bang...give me all your money?  Like I said, these anti gun people are eager to show their level of intelligence, which is common among the handicapped people, meaning drooling idiots 

[Tapeworm]

Perish the thought.

This way you can turn the surprise up to '11'.

And not just for unwelcome guests.

I'll put some assless chaps on it!