Man assaulted by vigilante at a Florida Walmart.

[King Shizzo]

because 120 pound twinks can get their ass kicked by 220 pound jerks.
because a group of 4 teenagers with kitchen knives can kill a man and his family.
because the bad guys already have guns, and won't give them up.
because many things can happen in a dangerous world.

And do you feel that you can safely get to your gun in time, without actually doing yourself more harm?

You quickly go for a gun, and you better be ready to kill, or be killed.

You can't count on the other person to run.

[_aj_]

And do you feel that you can safely get to your gun in time, without actually doing yourself more harm?

You quickly go for a gun, and you better be ready to kill, or be killed.

You can't count on the other person to run.

Yes, yes and yes. All true.

[240 is Back]

And do you feel that you can safely get to your gun in time, without actually doing yourself more harm?
You quickly go for a gun, and you better be ready to kill, or be killed.
You can't count on the other person to run.

I feel confident that if the other guy wants to kill me, and I don't have a gun, there is probably a 100% chance that I get wasted.

if I have my own gun, that % goes down a bit.  I like that.  

he might get me too, but you can be I'm taking that cat with me.  

I'm a grown man with a family... I don't think any grown man here on getbig would hesitate to fire a weapon if he and his family were in danger of a forcible felony.   We wouldn't want to.  We pray it never happens.  We would try to de-escalate the situation and find an outcome that doesn't involve deadly force.

But at the end of the day, if the bad guy makes it clear it's killing time, I have to think most of us getbiggers would do what we had to do.   Personally, I PRAY that day never comes.  

honestly tho, just having the gun usually diffuses most situations.  You can grin, put hand on fanny or butt of concealed weapons, and just tell the bag of shit to fck with someone else.   "I aint the one... there are 7 billion other people in the world.  Go fck with one of them".  bad guys size up a room.  if you're 210 with aware eyes, fanny pack and your right hand is itchy, they're going to pick on some self-involved twit playing facebook.

(you dont have to be faster than the bear... you just have to be faster than your buddy.)

[hench]

haha, yep i'm thick, just trying to figure out what the point is of permitting people to carry a concealed weapon, is there any scenario where that permit allows it to be taken out and used?
 

LOL..you're thick man.............TO SHOOT PEOPLE IN THE FUCKING FACE!

DO YOU SEE THAT ANYWHERE ON THE LIST SHIT YOU CAN'T DO?

[Walter Sobchak]

You having a go brah? 

I'd like to have a Knooger-like "go" with you brah!   

[JOHN MATRIX]

haha, yep i'm thick, just trying to figure out what the point is of permitting people to carry a concealed weapon, is there any scenario where that permit allows it to be taken out and used?
 

yes.

[ChuckleHead]

lets all just carry guns, that'll show the bad guys....cause nobody has ever thought of it before.

there is no such thing as history to learn from.


haven't you guys noticed the population has been divided into camps, with each one shouting "hooray for our side".

we get fed a steady stream of bullshit to keeps us divided and thus conquered.

[ChuckleHead]

haha, yep i'm thick, just trying to figure out what the point is of permitting people to carry a concealed weapon, is there any scenario where that permit allows it to be taken out and used?
 

go on over to _aj_'s house late at night, he'll demonstrate.

[King Shizzo]

go on over to _aj_'s house late at night, he'll demonstrate.

Dressed in blackface?

[ChuckleHead]

Dressed in blackface?

that's become optional.

[JOHN MATRIX]

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2015/01/23/women-continue-to-line-up-for-concealed-carry-permits-n1947306

sorry libs 

[Voice of Doom]

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2015/01/23/women-continue-to-line-up-for-concealed-carry-permits-n1947306

sorry libs 

That's great to see.  More women taking charge of their safety.

[TestDummy]

2 idiots.

One is a CCW idiot letting his gun show because he's ignorant and insecure.

One is  zimmerman wannabe that tackles strangers instead of calling 911.

in times like these, you kinda wish a shelf had fallen and crushed them both in the melee.

totally agree lol 2 dumb ass idiots, wow

[muscleman-2013]

So this dude DID NOT keep his concealed right?  Cos the other guy saw it...

[muscleman-2013]

The only thing that DID happen is that an anti-gun racist

There are no grounds on which to say this guy was an anti gun racist.

[Radical Plato]

do americans really feel the need

to have to take a gun in  to the grocery store

You never know when someone will sneak up behind you and place you in a choke hold...  Oh Wait.

[Ropo]

a gun is a tool used to damage and take life.

i'm in a store, i guy walks in with a gun strapped to his side.

i have no way of knowing if he is a good guy, just there to shop, or if he is there to rob and shoot.

i don't have gun. so now i have to walk around people who hold tools design to kill and i have to hope they don't use them.

the rejoinder to that is to carry a gun myself just in case one of them does intend to use theirs.

so we all end up having to carry guns.

we all know that is the logical progression. all the scenarios have been thought of and posed. "they", the powers behind any agenda, know the realities.

it goes forward anyway. therein lies the meaningful inspection and discussion.

while we argue back and forth about shit they already settled, they are able to set the agenda.

Here is little secret for you to know: You should be afraid only for those guns, which are pointed to you. All the other guns may save your life, when someone point a gun to you at the front of the citizen who has ccw permit. This happen all the time in USA.

[Ropo]

Some Stats:  http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/concealed-carry/

Myth: People with concealed weapons permits will commit crimes

State 11 Permits issued Revoked permits % Revoked Violent Crime Rate Change 12
Florida 1,327,321 13 4,129 0.3% -30.5%
Virginia 50,000 14 0 0.0% -21.9%
Arizona 63,000 15 50 0.9% -28.7%
North Carolina 59,597 16 1,274 1.2% -26.4%
Minnesota 46,636 17
 12 0.03% 8.0% 18
Michigan 155,000 19 2,178 0.1% 1.4%

Fact:  The results for the first 30 states that passed “shall-issue” laws for concealed carry permits are similar.

Fact: In Texas, citizens with concealed carry permits are 14 times less likely to commit a crime.  They are also five times less likely to commit a violent crime. 20

Fact: People with concealed carry permits are: 21
•5.7 times less likely to be arrested for violent offenses than the general public
•13.5 times less likely to be arrested for non-violent offenses than the general public

Nice statistics. One major myths of the CCW busted. Of course anybody with the brains would know that already, but as we know, weapon haters doesn't have the ability to use their brains. Their hate is based just on emotions, not on the facts, and that makes them idiots. It is always just same, no matter where you are. Anti-gun people talks about fictive, emotion based scenarios, and pro gun people use just facts.

[bigmc]

the only legitimate argument for carrying guns

is that people like guns

thats it there is no other argument

everything else is just bullshit

if you made guns illegal in the ststaes less people would be killed

they did it in austrailia and it had a dramatic effect

all the people arguing for guns just admit it makes you feel more of a man carrying a gun

its a primeval thing we are by nature hunters and killers

its buried deep but is there

guns dont kill people

people kill people

therefore give people guns and you make it easier for them to kill people

[_aj_]

the only legitimate argument for carrying guns

is that people like guns

thats it there is no other argument

everything else is just bullshit

if you made guns illegal in the ststaes less people would be killed

they did it in austrailia and it had a dramatic effect

all the people arguing for guns just admit it makes you feel more of a man carrying a gun

its a primeval thing we are by nature hunters and killers

its buried deep but is there

guns dont kill people

people kill people

therefore give people guns and you make it easier for them to kill people

So self-defense isn't real, never happens, and is an illegitimate reason to own a gun?

[King Shizzo]

Does having a gun on your person, actually make you safer, or does it make you feel safer?

I would say that most that have CCW'S have no business carrying a gun in public. If something happened, they would either get themselves killed, or rush to judgment and unlawfully shoot someone.

Guns are better served to protect a mans home.

Some people watch too many movies.

[bigmc]

So self-defense isn't real, never happens, and is an illegitimate reason to own a gun?

do you have kids aj

and if so you clearly dont want them to pick up your guns at home

so where do you keep your guns at home?

[Conker]

Exactly.  I can't fault the good Samaritan.  He saw a guy putting a gun in his pants heading towards a store.  If it had been a robbery in progress he would be getting a medal.  The permit holder was stupid for not taking the precautions required for carrying concealed.  The only issue I see here is that the Samaritan ignored his claims that he "had a permit".

lol this logic seems a bit fked up

so there is no issue with the guy coming in the shop armed as long as no one sees him conceal the gun. surely someone about to commit a robbery would be more likely than someone who is doing nothing wrong, to make  sure he isn't spotted concealing his weapon as not to alert anyone and give prior warning of what he is going to do.

but i just can't comprehend how everyday people would feel the need to arm themselves with a lethal weapon just to walk around the shops

[_aj_]

do you have kids aj

and if so you clearly dont want them to pick up your guns at home

so where do you keep your guns at home?

Yes. I do. My son happens to be very responsible. That said, the guns are in various locked boxes thought the house. Only my wife and I can get in.

This, of course, has nothing to do with my question. Do you believe that self-defense is a legitimate reason for a gun, yes or no?

[_aj_]

I would say that most that have CCW'S have no business carrying a gun in public. If something happened, they would either get themselves killed, or rush to judgment and unlawfully shoot someone.

And yet actual proof, fact, and experience shows that your opinion is wrong. Millions of CCW holder carry every day. Where is the carnage? Where are the people killing themselves because theyare so untrained? Where is "Dodge City?"

It doesn't fucking exist! So you can stop having that opinion. We are all entitled to our own opinion, nobody is entitled to their own facts.