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Being an atheist is a religion, it's not the truth.  The Bible is the truth.

Whitewashed. 

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By all means, do so!  Make a promise to yourself to do just that and then keep it, my friend.  If you search in earnest for wisdom you will find it in the least expected place and that being within.

You shall be at the very center of my prayers this night.  I hope that you do visit and that you find that which you seek but also what you need.

the word "shall" makes all the difference.

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Whitewashed. 

After the Roman Catholic Church, 100% Correct. Before that it was us Hebrew. That Bible is ours.  Do research if you're interested.
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"Atheism=stupidity"  ::)

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A meta-analysis of 63 studies showed a significant negative association between intelligence and religiosity.

http://psr.sagepub.com/content/early/2013/08/02/1088868313497266.abstract


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Religious belief is associated with less knowledge as well as lower intelligence.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/unique-everybody-else/201401/more-knowledge-less-belief-in-religion


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Religious belief declines with educational attainment, particularly with scientific education. Studies also show that religious belief declines among those with higher IQs. Hawking, Dennett and Dawkins are not outliers, and neither is Bill Gates or Warren Buffett.

http://www.salon.com/2014/12/21/religions_smart_people_problem_the_shaky_intellectual_foundations_of_absolute_faith/


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Atheists 'have higher IQs': Their intelligence 'makes them more likely to dismiss religion as irrational and unscientific'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2395972/Atheists-higher-IQs-Their-intelligence-makes-likely-dismiss-religion-irrational-unscientific.html





http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/08/new-meta-analysis-checks-the-correlation-between-intelligence-and-faith/

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Hitchens was an extremely intelligent and well read man. No one here comes close to what he has experienced and achieved. It is refreshing to listen to Hitchens, Dawkings, Harris, Carrier and others who speak out about important issues such as religion.

People are not idiots because they are religious. Delusional perhaps, but not necessarily stupid. Faith is pretending to know something you do not know.

We are alive so the laws of the universe must be life-friendly or whatever that means. That fact that we exist doesn't mean that we need a supernatural explanation for the universe.

Scientists have discovered the 'laws of physics'. How does anyone know if those laws could have been different? Maybe that is just the way things have to be?

According to Richard Carrier, it appears that Jesus never set foot on earth. Well, he shows it is highly improbable by applying Bayes theorem to history.

If that is true then Christianity is fabricated nonsense. What a shame that ancient people made up

stories about Christ living on earth. Carrier explains why that happened. Euhemerism. How sad to know that Christians have been duped in a major way. If

Jesus didn't walk on this earth then the whole religious concept is doubtful. All manmade bullshit.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayes%27_theorem



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Even if you don't agree with him (and I didn't always), I would never have called Hitchens a moron.

But you have to admit, heavy drinking and smoking like he did for so long wasn't very bright...

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Hitchens was very smart and articulate.....thread over

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Hitchens was very smart and articulate.....thread over

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Hitchens was an extremely intelligent and well read man. No one here comes close to what he has experienced and achieved. It is refreshing to listen to Hitchens, Dawkings, Harris, Carrier and others who speak out about important issues such as religion.

People are not idiots because they are religious. Delusional perhaps, but not necessarily stupid. Faith is pretending to know something you do not know.

We are alive so the laws of the universe must be life-friendly or whatever that means. That fact that we exist doesn't mean that we need a supernatural explanation for the universe.

Scientists have discovered the 'laws of physics'. How does anyone know if those laws could have been different? Maybe that is just the way things have to be?

According to Richard Carrier, it appears that Jesus never set foot on earth. Well, he shows it is highly improbable by applying Bayes theorem to history.

If that is true then Christianity is fabricated nonsense. What a shame that ancient people made up

stories about Christ living on earth. Carrier explains why that happened. Euphemerism. How sad to know that Christians have been duped in a major way. If

Jesus didn't walk on this earth then the whole religious concept is doubtful. All manmade bullshit.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayes%27_theorem




I have only read your words here and still I think that you exist.  I have seen a photograph of you but never met you and still I believe that you exist.  I have seen a picture of a man sitting in a ridiculous looking chair/bicep machine and even upon reflecting on how utterly unnecessary that thing is, I still think you exist.

It does not require a blind faith to accept what one thinks to be true is in fact, true.  Just faith and the hope of a promise yet to be fulfilled.


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"Atheism=stupidity"  ::)

http://psr.sagepub.com/content/early/2013/08/02/1088868313497266.abstract


https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/unique-everybody-else/201401/more-knowledge-less-belief-in-religion


http://www.salon.com/2014/12/21/religions_smart_people_problem_the_shaky_intellectual_foundations_of_absolute_faith/


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2395972/Atheists-higher-IQs-Their-intelligence-makes-likely-dismiss-religion-irrational-unscientific.html





http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/08/new-meta-analysis-checks-the-correlation-between-intelligence-and-faith/

This isn't a matter of intelligence, it's a matter of spirituality, that of which these people don't have.  They're not going to think their way out of this or disprove God.  People have been trying to do this for a long time and no one has come close and never will. They can take their calcified pineal glands, theories with no proof and arguments void of any evidence and go to hell and they're well on their way.
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This isn't a matter of intelligence, it's a matter of spirituality, that of which these people don't have.  They're not going to think their way out of this or disprove God.  People have been trying to do this for a long time and no one has come close and never will. They can take their calcified pineal glands, theories with no proof and arguments void of any evidence and go to hell and they're well on their way.

Nor can you (or anyone else) "prove" God. No one has come close and never will.

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Hitchens was very smart and articulate.....thread over

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Hitchens was very smart and articulate.....thread over


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Youz a gingus.  Which is like a genius but much, much, smarter!   ;D

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If you don't believe in God you are a fucking retard and you will burn in hell .

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If you don't believe in God you are a fucking retard and you will burn in hell .

If you believe in God you are a fucking retard and you will burn in an imaginary hell .

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If you believe in God you are a fucking retard and you will burn in an imaginary hell .


Sleep is death without the responsibility. 

Be well.

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Sleep is death without the responsibility.  

Be well.

"I love sleep because it is both pleasant and safe to use. Pleasant because one is in the best possible company and safe because sleep is the consummate protection against the unseemliness that is the invariable consequence of being awake. What you don't know won't hurt you."

Stay thirsty for knowledge, my friend.

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Jesus didn't walk on this earth then the whole religious concept is doubtful. All manmade bullshit.

if your "whole" concept of religion is limited to the 3 major ones.

the concept is actually much larger than jesus.

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Hitchens was an extremely intelligent and well read man. No one here comes close to what he has experienced and achieved. It is refreshing to listen to Hitchens, Dawkings, Harris, Carrier and others who speak out about important issues such as religion.

People are not idiots because they are religious. Delusional perhaps, but not necessarily stupid. Faith is pretending to know something you do not know.

We are alive so the laws of the universe must be life-friendly or whatever that means. That fact that we exist doesn't mean that we need a supernatural explanation for the universe.

Scientists have discovered the 'laws of physics'. How does anyone know if those laws could have been different? Maybe that is just the way things have to be?

According to Richard Carrier, it appears that Jesus never set foot on earth. Well, he shows it is highly improbable by applying Bayes theorem to history.

If that is true then Christianity is fabricated nonsense. What a shame that ancient people made up

stories about Christ living on earth. Carrier explains why that happened. Euphemerism. How sad to know that Christians have been duped in a major way. If

Jesus didn't walk on this earth then the whole religious concept is doubtful. All manmade bullshit.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayes%27_theorem




Deep breath. You do know that there is much more evidence for Jesus than there is for any other historical figure, don't you? Again, I have dealt with Carrier previously. The man is an unqualified buffoon. Imagine what you would say about someone who claimed that the existence of the Roman Empire was highly improbable by applying Bayes Theorem to history. No serious scholar controverts the historicity of Christ; plainly Carrier only does so because he is an evil lying atheist. Honestly, how naive and stupid can you be to fall for his bloody bosh?

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Deep breath. You do know that there is much more evidence for Jesus than there is for any other historical figure, don't you? Again, I have dealt with Carrier previously. The man is an unqualified buffoon. Imagine what you would say about someone who claimed that the existence of the Roman Empire was highly improbable by applying Bayes Theorem to history. No serious scholar controverts the historicity of Christ; plainly Carrier only does so because he is an evil lying atheist. Honestly, how naive and stupid can you be to fall for his bloody bosh?

Like what? The Shroud of Turin has been debunked. What other "evidence" is there?

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/religion/2009-10-06-shroud-turin_N.htm

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Deep breath. You do know that there is much more evidence for Jesus than there is for any other historical figure, don't you? Again, I have dealt with Carrier previously. The man is an unqualified buffoon. Imagine what you would say about someone who claimed that the existence of the Roman Empire was highly improbable by applying Bayes Theorem to history. No serious scholar controverts the historicity of Christ; plainly Carrier only does so because he is an evil lying atheist. Honestly, how naive and stupid can you be to fall for his bloody bosh?

but ron you have to be fair......forgetting Carrier.......... jesus actually existing and him raising people from the dead as well as he himself is two very different things.  

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Nor can you (or anyone else) "prove" God. No one has come close and never will.

When the scientists speak, you should listen.

"When I began my career as a cosmologist some 20 yrs ago, I was a convinced atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable logic of my own special branch of physics."

Frank Tipler, Professor of Mathematical Physics, Tipler, F.J. 1994. 'The Physics Of Immortality'. New York, Doubleday.

"The vast mysteries of the universe should only confirm our belief in the certainty of its Creator. I find it as difficult to understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science."

Werner von Braun, father of space science, "Gone Bananas," World September 7, 2002.

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When the scientists speak, you should listen.

"When I began my career as a cosmologist some 20 yrs ago, I was a convinced atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable logic of my own special branch of physics."

Frank Tipler, Professor of Mathematical Physics, Tipler, F.J. 1994. 'The Physics Of Immortality'. New York, Doubleday.

"The vast mysteries of the universe should only confirm our belief in the certainty of its Creator. I find it as difficult to understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science."

von Braun was a brilliant scientist, and yes he did believe in God. However, for this one scientist that was a believer there are far more scientists that are not.

Werner von Braun, father of space science, "Gone Bananas," World September 7, 2002.


Oh, brother. Tipler was a known nutcase. From his book The Physics of Christianity:

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I am proposing that the Son and Father Singularities guided the worlds of the multiverse to concentrate the energy of the particles constituting Jesus in our universe into the Jesus of our universe. In effect, Jesus’ dead body, lying in the tomb, would have been enveloped in a sphaleron field. This field would have dematerialized Jesus’ body into neutrinos and antineutrinos in a fraction of a second, after which the energy transferred to this world would have been transferred back to the other worlds from whence it came. Reversing this process (by having neutrinos and antineutrinos—almost certainly not the original neutrinos and antineutrinos dematerialized from Jesus’ body—materialize into another body) would generate Jesus’ Resurrection body.



As for von Braun, he was a brilliant scientist that believed in God (although as a young man he did not; in fact, his friends nicknamed him the "merry heathen"). However, there are many other equally brilliant scientists that do not believe in God.

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When the scientists speak, you should listen.

"When I began my career as a cosmologist some 20 yrs ago, I was a convinced atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable logic of my own special branch of physics."

Frank Tipler, Professor of Mathematical Physics, Tipler, F.J. 1994. 'The Physics Of Immortality'. New York, Doubleday.

"The vast mysteries of the universe should only confirm our belief in the certainty of its Creator. I find it as difficult to understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science."

Werner von Braun, father of space science, "Gone Bananas," World September 7, 2002.

i don't know about your certainty about Christianity, but i am right with you for the most part. purely based on my own observations, contemplation and a layman's understanding of science.

i often think about isaac newton talking about walking along the shore, looking down at the shells and pebbles and every now and again coming upon an interesting one and bending over to inspect it, all the while a great ocean of undiscovered truth lay before him.


that is what i believe in, that great ocean of undiscovered truth. because it is there, it really is there. it is true, whatever it is, it is real and fact and truth and it defines reality. it's no lie.

we know how little we know and how much more there is to know.

to come to conclusions at this stage of our existence is to ensure that conclusion is wrong or woefully incomplete.

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No one here is a physicist so how would any of you know what you are talking about?

I prefer Carrier to the Bible and other made up stories. Good riddance to all religions.

Eventually, the true story will be known and religions will be seen as historical curiosities.

The trouble is that most humans would rather die than abandon their cherished beliefs.

That is very sad. So are all the believers who cry at funerals.