60% of FOX news false?

[bears]

well let's agree both fox and msnbc are garbage,i can buy that

thank you.  yes. 

[Straw Man]

not sure if you understand what I mean by "cherry picking" facts.  you refuted my accusation of cherry picking facts by cherry picking more facts.  all I see here are libs and conservatives telling lies and half truths.  you should reread your post.

I thought I was referencing your source for your claim about MSNBC lying 50% of the time

If that is not your source for that claim that then please post it or bump it because I must have missed it

now you're cherry picking stats and ignoring that MSNBC is still lying about 50% of the time.  my question is why?  they're not a serious news station.  either is FOX.  why are you defending a station that's right up there with FOX with lying?

[bears]

I thought I was referencing your source for your claim about MSNBC lying 50% of the time

If that is not your source for that claim that then please post it or bump it because I must have missed it

At MSNBC and NBC, 44 percent of claims have received a rating of Mostly False or worse. The full breakdown:

[Straw Man]

At MSNBC and NBC, 44 percent of claims have received a rating of Mostly False or worse. The full breakdown:

where

you're not referring to the source that I used are you?

[bears]

where

you're not referring to the source that I used are you?

no.  I don't even know what you're talking about anymore.

[Straw Man]

no.  I don't even know what you're talking about anymore.

where is this from

At MSNBC and NBC, 44 percent of claims have received a rating of Mostly False or worse. The full breakdown:

[bears]

where is this from

wait huh? 

it's from the original post that started the whole damn thread.  the same article that said that FOX is 60% fake also says that MSNBC is 44% fake.

i'm confused.  did you seriously completely ignore the part of the article about MSNBC?  come on man. 

[Straw Man]

wait huh?  

it's from the original post that started the whole damn thread.  the same article that said that FOX is 60% fake also says that MSNBC is 44% fake.

i'm confused.  did you seriously completely ignore the part of the article about MSNBC?  come on man.  

yes, did you bother to click the link in the first post

here it is:  http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/jan/29/punditfact-checks-cable-news-channels/

then when you get there you will see a link which will take you here:  
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2014/sep/16/fact-checking-fox-msnbc-and-cnn-punditfacts-networ/

Then you will have a link to "MSNBC" which will take you here: http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/nbc/

Actually you will see a link to "MSNBC file" and another to "NBC and MSNBC" but they both go to the same page

There you will see all the examples which included in the prior post.

You will see them explain that  "This scorecard shows the ratings for statements made on air by MSNBC and NBC personalities and their pundit guests."

They mix NBC and MSNBC together and part of their "misleading" statements include things like statements from pundits and guests such as Dick Cheney, Carly Fiorina

That is why I'm not putting much stock in your (their claim) of 44% mostly false

On the other hand, my example was scientists looking at news stories on a specific topic for a specific period of time and didn't mix NBC and MSNBC together

The result?

Faux News misleading 72% of the time vs. MSNBC only 8%

[bears]

yes, did you bother to click the link in the first post

here it is:  http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/jan/29/punditfact-checks-cable-news-channels/

then when you get there you will see a link which will take you here:  
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2014/sep/16/fact-checking-fox-msnbc-and-cnn-punditfacts-networ/

Then you will have a link to "MSNBC" which will take you here:  http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/nbc/

Actually you will see a link to "MSNBC file" and another to "NBC and MSNBC" but they both go to the same page

There you will see all the examples which included in the prior post.

You will see them explain that  "This scorecard shows the ratings for statements made on air by MSNBC and NBC personalities and their pundit guests."

They mix NBC and MSNBC together and part of their "misleading" statements include things like statements from pundits and guests such as Dick Cheney, Carly Fiorina
That is why I'm not putting much stock in your (their claim) of 44% mostly false

On the other hand, my example was scientists looking at news stories on a specific topic for a specific period of time and didn't mix NBC and MSNBC together

The result?

Faux News misleading 72% of the time vs. MSNBC only 8%

ok now you're being stupid.  yes and the same goes for Fox and Fox News.  The liberal pundits that say false things also add to the total for Fox.  You're blatantly cherry picking facts to suit your argument.  you're being silly. 

[bears]

yes, did you bother to click the link in the first post

here it is:  http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/jan/29/punditfact-checks-cable-news-channels/

then when you get there you will see a link which will take you here:  
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2014/sep/16/fact-checking-fox-msnbc-and-cnn-punditfacts-networ/

Then you will have a link to "MSNBC" which will take you here: http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/nbc/

Actually you will see a link to "MSNBC file" and another to "NBC and MSNBC" but they both go to the same page

There you will see all the examples which included in the prior post.

You will see them explain that  "This scorecard shows the ratings for statements made on air by MSNBC and NBC personalities and their pundit guests."

They mix NBC and MSNBC together and part of their "misleading" statements include things like statements from pundits and guests such as Dick Cheney, Carly Fiorina

That is why I'm not putting much stock in your (their claim) of 44% mostly false

On the other hand, my example was scientists looking at news stories on a specific topic for a specific period of time and didn't mix NBC and MSNBC together

The result?

Faux News misleading 72% of the time vs. MSNBC only 8%

from YOUR link.

Some of you also have asked why we include statements of conservative pundits on MSNBC in MSNBC’s rankings and liberal pundits speaking on Fox News in Fox’s rankings. The thought we hear is that doing so doesn’t present a true measure of the network.

We, however, believe in measuring the overall veracity of a network -- and think MSNBC and Fox News should be held accountable for what pundits they put on air.

also from YOUR link, the author agrees with me.  they're both jokes.  not JUST fox.  not JUST msnbc.

[Straw Man]

ok now you're being stupid.  yes and the same goes for Fox and Fox News.  The liberal pundits that say false things also add to the total for Fox.  You're blatantly cherry picking facts to suit your argument.  you're being silly. 

I'm looking at the source data for the claim

do you not get that

I'm didn't "cherry pick" anything

I copied exactly what they provided as examples

I didn't "pick" any of them

Do you dispute the fact that they combined both MSNBC and NBC ?

Here is the source:  http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/nbc/

[bears]

The comparisons are interesting, but be cautious about using them to draw broad conclusions. We use our news judgment to pick the facts we’re going to check, so we certainly don’t fact-check everything.
do me a favor.  don't post a link to argue your side, and then disagree with the same link in the same fucking post.

[Straw Man]

from YOUR link.

Some of you also have asked why we include statements of conservative pundits on MSNBC in MSNBC’s rankings and liberal pundits speaking on Fox News in Fox’s rankings. The thought we hear is that doing so doesn’t present a true measure of the network.

We, however, believe in measuring the overall veracity of a network -- and think MSNBC and Fox News should be held accountable for what pundits they put on air.

also from YOUR link, the author agrees with me.  they're both jokes.  not JUST fox.  not JUST msnbc.

by my link you mean the source data for the thing you claim shows 44% misleading ?

an example of a misleading statement on MSNBC is a statement by Cheney

Are you aware of Cheny EVER being on MSNBC?

So when Cheny goes on NBC and lies that is one of the examples of misleading statement by pundits/guests on MSNBC

That's what you were thinking....right?

[bears]

by my link you mean the source data for the thing you claim shows 44% misleading ?

an example of a misleading statement on MSNBC is a statement by Cheney

Are you aware of Cheny EVER being on MSNBC?

So when Cheny goes on NBC and lies that is one of the examples of misleading statement by pundits/guests on MSNBC

That's what you were thinking....right?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/jan/29/punditfact-checks-cable-news-channels/

this is what I know.  read it.

[bears]

by my link you mean the source data for the thing you claim shows 44% misleading ?

an example of a misleading statement on MSNBC is a statement by Cheney

Are you aware of Cheny EVER being on MSNBC?

So when Cheny goes on NBC and lies that is one of the examples of misleading statement by pundits/guests on MSNBC

That's what you were thinking....right?

what I think you're saying is that this study is bullshit and misleading.............b ut only for the bad stuff they say about MSNBC.  LOL!!!!!!

[Straw Man]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/jan/29/punditfact-checks-cable-news-channels/

this is what I know.  read it.

so instead of drilling down to the source data you'd just prefer to ignore it

[Straw Man]

what I think you're saying is that this study is bullshit and misleading.............b ut only for the bad stuff they say about MSNBC.  LOL!!!!!!

I don't seem them combining Faux News with another channell

When they combine NBC and MSNBC and refer to is as NBC and then give example of misleading statements such as one made by Cheney on NBC don't you see that that's bullshit and misleading?

When you think of misleading statements by MSNBC pundits are you thinking of Cheney?

[bears]

I don't seem them combining Faux News with another channell
When they combine NBC and MSNBC and refer to is as NBC and then give example of misleading statements such as one made by Cheney on NBC don't you see that that's bullshit and misleading?

When you think of misleading statements by MSNBC pundits are you thinking of Cheney?

you've been going at this too long.  you're outthinking yourself and making errors.  I do it too sometimes.


Q: Why do you group NBC and MSNBC together?

A: At this point, we group both NBC and MSNBC together, as we group together Fox and Fox News Channel.

[Straw Man]

you've been going at this too long.  you're outthinking yourself and making errors.  I do it too sometimes.


Q: Why do you group NBC and MSNBC together?

A: At this point, we group both NBC and MSNBC together, as we group together Fox and Fox News Channel.

I don't group them together - politifact/pundit fact does that (seriously have you not understood that all this time)

All you have to do is follow the links back to the source data

why do you choose to refuse to look a that

Answer this simple question as honestly as you can

When you think of MSNBC being misleading are you thinking of statement made by Dick Cheney on NBC ?

Is that the picture you get in your mind?

again, I didn't "cherry pick" that.  It's right from the source of the article you referred to.

[bears]

I don't group them together - politifact/pundit fact does that (seriously have you not understood that all this time)

All you have to do is follow the links back to the source data

why do you choose to refuse to look a that

Answer this simple question as honestly as you can

When you think of MSNBC being misleading are you thinking of statement made by Dick Cheney on NBC ?

Is that the picture you get in your mind?

again, I didn't "cherry pick" that.  It's right from the source of the article you referred to.

all I see is that the study is treating each station the same.  you can't accept that.  because you can't accept that MSNBC is ridiculous as FOX.  I can't help you anymore. 

[bears]

if ANYONE agrees with Straw's assessment please let me know.  until then I am done.  you've thoroughly confused me with your convenient logic. 

[Straw Man]

if ANYONE agrees with Straw's assessment please let me know.  until then I am done.  you've thoroughly confused me with your convenient logic. 

you're telling me you were literally unable or unwilling to follow the links back to the source data ?

I've spelled it out for you 3 times now

[Straw Man]

first image of from the initial article/link

second image is from the source data

Notice they are identical but the 2nd one show that they are mixing NBC and MSNBC together (in fact they don't even mention MNSBC)

They then go on to list a bunch of example which you claimed that I "cherry-picked"

Are you really saying you didn't understand this before?

[Straw Man]

and here are examples from the source data of statements made on NBC (or is it MSNBC - the page with the quotes ONLY states NBC and I doubt Cheney ever went on MSNBC but maybe he did)

[whork]

yes it is.  I wonder what MSNBC was.    I'm sure they were close to CNN.  Liberal news stations don't lie nearly as much as FOX.

Not nearly but close.

CNN was the clear "winner".