Hi Fat Low Carb - When does the magic happen?

[Sophus]

Say u were eating 2600 kcals of brown rice, oats, meats, etc.

Switched to hi fat, low carb, mod protein of the same calorie amount of 2600...

Will you be looking much different after a month or so, or does it take a long time to see benefits in terms of leanness, etc

You will be fatter yes

[Thong Maniac]

for what purpose do you keep protein under 100g and fat over 200 lol
a "keto diet" is 2/3 fat 1/3 protein (from CALORIES not GRAMS)

200g fat 200g protein or so is perfect
that is about 70:30 in calories

why would you eat less than 100g of protein as someone who lifts weights... also much better in terms of satiety

I thought the protein should be moderate on this form of life style? I was thinking 200 was too much but i guess i was wrong

[ritch]

if what you are doing now is working nicely, don't change it.

[Jizmo]

I thought the protein should be moderate on this form of life style? I was thinking 200 was too much but i guess i was wrong

under 100 is low, not moderate
id go 150-200 unless youre like 120 lbs
200g of protein wont cause any significant gluconeogenesis that could kick you out of ketosis anyway
and especially not if your fats are still 200g

[Thong Maniac]

under 100 is low, not moderate
id go 150-200 unless youre like 120 lbs
200g of protein wont cause any significant gluconeogenesis that could kick you out of ketosis anyway
and especially not if your fats are still 200g

 Thanks man, will work on this.

Are cheat meals ok once a week? And do they really have to be low fat? Not sure what u can cheat on thats fun and low fat. I like my pizza/cake/beer saturday nights...

[Slapper]

Why would your body recruit fat from your fat cells when all that dietary fat is available?

You don't actually think your body metabolizes all the fat you consume do you?

[Jizmo]

Thanks man, will work on this.

Are cheat meals ok once a week? And do they really have to be low fat? Not sure what u can cheat on thats fun and low fat. I like my pizza/cake/beer saturday nights...

depends. eating carbs will of course kick you out of ketosis.. this can be beneficial for anabolic effects though, plus if you plan on lifting hard you will NEED a high carb refeed once a week to refill muscle glycogen. lifting hard just doesnt work without carbs, no matter how keto adapted you are.

its gonna take 2-4 days for most to get back into ketosis. this can be sped up to a couple hours only with the use of insulin, but only if you are VERY experienced with its use.

[Costanza]

Big Wang Adonis is going to have a field day when he gets a whiff of this thread...

[Thong Maniac]

depends. eating carbs will of course kick you out of ketosis.. this can be beneficial for anabolic effects though, plus if you plan on lifting hard you will NEED a high carb refeed once a week to refill muscle glycogen. lifting hard just doesnt work without carbs, no matter how keto adapted you are.

its gonna take 2-4 days for most to get back into ketosis. this can be sped up to a couple hours only with the use of insulin, but only if you are VERY experienced with its use.

I have metformin on hand,would that help?

[Thick Nick]

When I saw the title of this thread I thought you were saying hello to bigMC and asking when his magic show was taking place.

[Jizmo]

I have metformin on hand,would that help?

with getting into ketosis faster? no
you can use it on your refeed days though

or use it during the diet ... idk if glucose disposal agents are useful during a keto diet though. might help keeping blood sugar even lower but i dont know. when i do keto i would use berberine HCL, it has basically the same effects as metformin and then some.

[Rammstein]

You may want to check out the three types of ketogenic dieting:

http://www.ruled.me/3-ketogogenic-diets-skd-ckd-tkd/

[Thong Maniac]

You may want to check out the three types of ketogenic dieting:

http://www.ruled.me/3-ketogogenic-diets-skd-ckd-tkd/

Thanks man thats a great read. Sounds like im really not eating enough. Im less than maintenece according to that calculator, which is suprising cuz im fat

[ritch]

metformin is notorious for givin' people the shits. At least you will appear less bloated from emptied stomach due to shitting...

[Go 4 It]

When im on keto..I notice a difference very quickly sometimes day to day..I wouldn't do the carb up on the weekend thing..I think it confuses the body and mind..not to mention open the flood gates to all types of cheating. .

[Grape Ape]

I'm trying Big Chiro Flex modified Paleo again just to fuck around.

Realized by meal 2 that this takes more prep than I prepared for...

[Thong Maniac]

When im on keto..I notice a difference very quickly sometimes day to day..I wouldn't do the carb up on the weekend thing..I think it confuses the body and mind..not to mention open the flood gates to all types of cheating. .

You had zero cheat days?!

[Go 4 It]

I'm trying Big Chiro Flex modified Paleo again just to fuck around.

Realized by meal 2 that this takes more prep than I prepared for...

what does the diet entail?

[Thin Lizzy]

When im on keto..I notice a difference very quickly sometimes day to day..I wouldn't do the carb up on the weekend thing..I think it confuses the body and mind..not to mention open the flood gates to all types of cheating. .

When you do Keto, do you replace the carb calories lost with fat calories, or keep the fats the same and lower the caloric intake?

[Grape Ape]

what does the diet entail?

Meats, fruits, vegetables....can use Oats and stuff pre/post training days

I'm recovering from shoulder surgery and a torn IT band....just want to look OK for April vacation.

If I was doing normal goruck type training, I'd need to eat lot more.

[Go 4 It]

You had zero cheat days?!

I had 3 cheat MEALS in 8 weeks, but I was prepping for my show.

When you do Keto, do you replace the carb calories lost with fat calories, or keep the fats the same and lower the caloric intake?

I never lowered the food..I just increased the cardio until I was completely shredded

[Go 4 It]

Meats, fruits, vegetables....can use Oats and stuff pre/post training days

I'm recovering from shoulder surgery and a torn IT band....just want to look OK for April vacation.

If I was doing normal goruck type training, I'd need to eat lot more.

gotcha..I like paleo for a functional every day maintenance diet

[Erik C]

You had zero cheat days?!

No cheat days is what works. The whole idea of a keto diet is Don't Eat Carbs. Cheat days, when you eat carbs, stops the whole keto process, so it puts you back to square one. You either have to do it correctly, to see results, or don't bother doing it at all. You will have plenty of energy from burning body fat, for exercising.

[Grape Ape]

gotcha..I like paleo for a functional every day maintenance diet

Makes sense.

I don't really do much for aesthetics normally.  I just feel like shit now having been not exercising for 7 weeks now, so I'm going to mix it up as I'm allowed to slowly ramp up exercise.

[Go 4 It]

Cheat meals should be implemented strategically. .for instance if you are leaning out too quickly. .you may want to pull back the reigns so to speak or bring down the cardio..they can be beneficial or completely mess up your progress. .the more you stick to your diet the less desire you have to cheat..truthfully I didn't even want to cheat..my coach told me to add those cheat meals. ..I was almost borderline scared to do it..but I agreed to listen to absolutely everything he instructed me to do so I complied.