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Uncle Joon

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Groink just said in other thread he is 220lb at 7% bf which got me thinking about the maths of fat loss.

 I am 220lb @ 17% right now that means I am carrying 37.4lb of extra fat? (220lb x 17% = 37.4lb)

Now say I want to be 8.5 % BF, that means I  have to lose 18.7lb fat.

I figured this out by diving 17% by 2 which is 8.5%. (In other words 37.4lb divided by 2 = 18.7lb fat).

Now I understand in order to lose 18.7lb fat you will also lose muscle in that process dieting too.

But the question becomes in what ratio? I am just going to go ahead and assume I will lose 2lb muscle for every pound of fat I lose.

Therefore 18.7% Fat loss will mean 37lb muscle loss.

So therefore in order for me to be 8.5% bf I will have to lose altogether 55.7lb of weight altogether (18.7lb worth of fat & the 37lb of muscle resulting from dieting and cardio).

That means in order for me to be 8.5% bf I will need to weigh close to around 165 lb.

Lets explore further.

For every lb of weight lost you need to burn of or be in deficit 3500 calories.

Therefore, 55.7lb weight loss would need to create a 194, 950 calorie deficit in total.

This mean that if you create a 2k calories deficit a day it will take 94.4 day to lose (3.2 months) for me to be 8.5% BF @ 165lb.
(194,950 divided by 2)
 
Lets explore further.

Lets say my TDEE is 2700 calories a day. Lets say I do one hour cardio a day which burns 400 calories + one weight training session which burns 300 calories.
That's 700 calories burned there.

Now lets say I eat 1000 calories a day.

This means I have created 1700 calorie deficit, which is still 300 calories short of target of 2000 deficit so need to add in another cardio session.

So to conclude in order for me to be 8.5% BF @ 165lb in 3.2 months I would have to do 2 x one hour cardio sessions a day + one weight training session and eat no more than 1000 calories every single day for 3.2 months straight.

And that is a mutherfucking fact.








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Re: I have just done a bit of maths on fat loss - its fucking hopeless.
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2015, 06:47:13 PM »
No way you should lose two lbs of muscle for every lb of fat when on stuff.

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Re: I have just done a bit of maths on fat loss - its fucking hopeless.
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2015, 06:49:44 PM »
You have been going on about losing fat since your weak, sorry ass showed up. You just look more horrendous then ever!

Motherfucking fact is you are a fucking drug addict and a liar!




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Re: I have just done a bit of maths on fat loss - its fucking hopeless.
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2015, 06:56:55 PM »
the simple math is your willpower sucks and you can't stick to a diet and training programe

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Re: I have just done a bit of maths on fat loss - its fucking hopeless.
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2015, 06:58:34 PM »
You won't lose much muscle while dieting on the sauce.

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Re: I have just done a bit of maths on fat loss - its fucking hopeless.
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2015, 07:06:08 PM »
220 ripped by June of peace  :D

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Re: I have just done a bit of maths on fat loss - its fucking hopeless.
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2015, 07:10:40 PM »
just lose the alcohol

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Re: I have just done a bit of maths on fat loss - its fucking hopeless.
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2015, 04:02:07 AM »
You won't really lose much muscle dieting clean either. You shouldn't worry about what you lose and just get as lean as possible.

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Re: I have just done a bit of maths on fat loss - its fucking hopeless.
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2015, 04:14:55 AM »
Yes there's no hope.
Hope this help

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Re: I have just done a bit of maths on fat loss - its fucking hopeless.
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2015, 04:45:11 AM »
It sounded so easy when you talked about hitting 200-220lbs @ 7% by june.
I mean you had Bostin's stack and wasn't afraid of hitting it hard unlike us pussies on getbig. :D

What's the matter, already giving up before you even started? I wish everyone luck in their goals but who respects someone who only talks big?

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Re: I have just done a bit of maths on fat loss - its fucking hopeless.
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2015, 05:05:29 AM »
Groink is not 7% body fat lol. He's trolling you. Did you see the video and of the guy who is REALLY 6%?
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Re: I have just done a bit of maths on fat loss - its fucking hopeless.
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2015, 05:15:59 AM »
Loosing muscles on diet are jut a fucking myth! You are just fat and has always been. People belive they have muscle when bulked up, pure fat and water and filled cell with carbs! Thats all!

When u diet, u loose fat not muscle. And u got more fat than u think, U got fat inside your muscles to!

Its so fucking obvious when u see bulked guys in the gym. Its just water and fat. Almost zero muscles on them! Very few guys inthe gymhave some quality muscles!


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Re: I have just done a bit of maths on fat loss - its fucking hopeless.
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2015, 05:32:19 AM »
You can still look good at 12% with decent muscle size and a bit of a tan.

Everyone has the ability to cut, for some it's easier than others but cutting needs discipline.... someone bipolar like yourself isn't ideal for this process as when your mood is right you'll eat 1000 calories and train 7 times a week with 1 hour cardio then 10 days later wake up to a coke binge and a threesome with a sugar babe and a tranny followed by nandos and kfc....cutting needs a lot of patience and a steady frame of mind over a 12 week period plus.
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Re: I have just done a bit of maths on fat loss - its fucking hopeless.
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2015, 05:43:18 AM »
For those saying you will not lose 2lb of muscle for 1lb of fat you don't what you are talking about. In short you are clueless.

If anything I have been extremely optimistic with my muscle loss target ratio of 2-1.

The true ratio for extreme fat loss/crash diet is closer to 3lb of muscle loss for every 1lb of fat.

Now you have to bear in mind this fat/weight loss is crash diet to be completed in 3.2 months. Bear in mind you are eating just 1000 calories a day and training 3 times a day (2 cardio sessions + 1 weight training session)
and running a 2000 daily caloric deficit.

Of course you will lose an absolute shit ton of muscle. I have done it before for fight prep to make weight to I know this figure is correct.

Bear in mind you are losing 17lb a month here for 3 months straight, not your shitty lousy 2lb a week or 8lb a month.
If I was gonna slow cut @ 2lb a week, yes of course I will retain much more muscle but in order to lose 55lb we are talking doing that for 28 weeks, i.e. 7 months!!!!!!! Fuck that.

Lyle McDonald also agrees and states the 3-1 ratio  is about correct in Ultimate Diet 2 and from personal experience I agree.

I have taken into account I will be on gear so have assumed the gear will allow me to retain an extra 33% of muscle.

Hence why I reduced the 3-1 ratio down to 2-1.




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Re: I have just done a bit of maths on fat loss - its fucking hopeless.
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2015, 05:50:06 AM »
In order for me to have come in at 220lb sub 10% I would have needed to have bulked up off season to 250-60lb minimum.

This would have meant I would have also needed to substantially up my doses to around 4-5g a week + Growth hormone, possibly insulin.
BigRo I think is on around 4-5g a week.

I would have needed to eat around 7000 calories a day.

I imagine something like 1g test 3g Deca + 50-100mg D-Bol + 4-8IU GH would have been required.

There is no fucking way at age of 36 with my red blood cell count being extremely high as it is already, a fucked up shoulder that needs to have surgery, and less than optimal bodybuilding lifestyle I was going to risk all that just to impress Booty.

Boston is young man, he can get away with it.

For me I would have had a heart attack or stoke within 1 year if I did that.

No fucking way I am going up to 4g.

I already feel like death at 1.5g



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Re: I have just done a bit of maths on fat loss - its fucking hopeless.
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2015, 05:52:41 AM »
You can still look good at 12% with decent muscle size and a bit of a tan.

Everyone has the ability to cut, for some it's easier than others but cutting needs discipline.... someone bipolar like yourself isn't ideal for this process as when your mood is right you'll eat 1000 calories and train 7 times a week with 1 hour cardio then 10 days later wake up to a coke binge and a threesome with a sugar babe and a tranny followed by nandos and kfc....cutting needs a lot of patience and a steady frame of mind over a 12 week period plus.

I am not bipolar but thanks for the rest of the ground breaking advice.

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Re: I have just done a bit of maths on fat loss - its fucking hopeless.
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2015, 06:19:37 AM »
Big Ro has been running 2gms a week for a few weeks prior to that it was 250mg test a week for 2 months.  

(current weight 19stone 2lbs, is that around 265lbs or something.)

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« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2015, 06:19:46 AM »

I am not bipolar but thanks for the rest of the ground breaking advice.


 Trannipolar?  :D
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Re: I have just done a bit of maths on fat loss - its fucking hopeless.
« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2015, 06:29:21 AM »
Joon - get your shoulder fixed, clean out...and just get in shape after it.

I'll give you the secret:

Move around a lot, lift some weights, and don't eat too much.
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« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2015, 09:54:32 AM »
This is a comical thread. I chuckle a lot at the broscience.

A guy who would weigh 141 lbs if he got down to 7% bodyfat is giving advice on muscle retention during pre-contest dieting based on the one and only book he's read on the subject.

Next he will pontificate on gear use, or running a million pound Telecoms company, both of which could provide us with many more laughs.

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Re: I have just done a bit of maths on fat loss - its fucking hopeless.
« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2015, 10:15:00 AM »
the simple math is your willpower sucks and you can't stick to a diet and training programe

This.

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Re: I have just done a bit of maths on fat loss - its fucking hopeless.
« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2015, 10:39:43 AM »
Joon - get your shoulder fixed, clean out...and just get in shape after it.

I'll give you the secret:

Move around a lot, lift some weights, and don't eat too much.

Yeah well right now I cant move 20 yards without hyperventilating, I have extreme lethargy and am literally bed bound, same shit happened last time around.
I need to give blood ASAP but my cock sucker doctor is in Dubai.
He will be back on Wednesday.
I don't feel well.

I am going to PCT and come off pronto.

 

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Re: I have just done a bit of maths on fat loss - its fucking hopeless.
« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2015, 10:43:01 AM »
If I can get my hands on some local anesthetic I can take out 2 pints blood myself.

But it kills without the anesthetic.

The cu nt blood depot won't take blood off me.


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Re: I have just done a bit of maths on fat loss - its fucking hopeless.
« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2015, 10:44:29 AM »
This is a comical thread. I chuckle a lot at the broscience.

A guy who would weigh 141 lbs if he got down to 7% bodyfat is giving advice on muscle retention during pre-contest dieting based on the one and only book he's read on the subject.

Next he will pontificate on gear use, or running a million pound Telecoms company, both of which could provide us with many more laughs.

:D

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« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2015, 10:45:44 AM »
This is a comical thread. I chuckle a lot at the broscience.

A guy who would weigh 141 lbs if he got down to 7% bodyfat is giving advice on muscle retention during pre-contest dieting based on the one and only book he's read on the subject.

Next he will pontificate on gear use, or running a million pound Telecoms company, both of which could provide us with many more laughs.

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