I love you guys....(no homo)!

[Waller]

In the end she will die in uter physical and psychological pain and distress and prime will just go on until it's his turn.

And the same awaits all of us.



Life.

Isnt it beautiful?

Boy, you sound like you have a shitty life.

Yes everything and everyone will end. It can't be helped. Change the fucking record.

Oh, and... animals.

[Natural Man]

Boy, you sound like you have a shitty life.

Yes everything and everyone will end. It can't be helped. Change the fucking record.

Oh, and... animals.

animals, who fight for survival, for access to limited resources that at one point anyway, will disapear for all.

[Waller]

animals, who fight for survival, for access to limited resources that at one point anyway, will disapear for all.

Animals that I hope break into your house and buttfuck  you into such a state of shame you can't even bring yourself to keep posting the same shit.

[loco]

most animals instinctively abandon weaker animals to their death if they re risking their own survival in helping them. We all abandon weaker ones at some point, no matter how hard we pretend to "love" them. Because our instinct of survival, the survival of our own body, our deep inner desire to still dominate, have fun, have pleasure, is the only thing that matters. At this point we see ourselves and others for what they truly are; machines, animals, and everything else we say, think, is just fairytales. We re constantly lying to ourselves and others about our intentions.
We only stay with others because of mutual shared interests, and if these interests vanish, we throw each others into the trash bin without a second thought just like we trash material objects which are of no use anymore with relief. The biggest "love" becomes the biggest hate, two sides of the same coin.

This is our true nature. We all abandon others, and we all get abandonned by them.

Rest is fairytales. The concept of "love" is a joke. Behind "love", there are interests, and survival.
All religions and philosophies came to the conclusion the point of life for a human being was to be happy. Science proves more and more that what underlies hapiness, the feeling of hapiness, of pleasure, is to actually be able to dominate other lifeforms.

Only the strong enjoy life, while his, her position of domination lasts. The weak "hope" he or his offsprings will dominate. If for some reason he realizes he or his offsprings wont be able to dominate, life gradually loses its taste.

Basically the strong always need to see the weak suffer, in order to feel better, to feel good. And we only help others who are important to our survival, who we identify with, while ignoring those who are of no use in our own survival.

Life is brutal from the very beginning to the very end no matter how hard you try to sugarcoat it. There is somehow, some perversity in lying to your kids, in giving birth to them, in spawning them into this hell known as "life". Humans are definitly sadistic, hypocritical duplicit animals who spend most of their lives enjoying other people demise and suffering.

Prime, you spent a lot of time pretending to be happier than you actually were, and now you re exposing what most of us were able to see; your life was as much pointless and painful than anyone else's existence.

Most people spend their lives pretending to be happier than they are. We all end miserable wondering what kind of sad joke life is, and how hard we ve been owned originally by those who gave birth to us.


You can try to focus on "new stuff", think about something else than the cold hard reality, in the end it always win, we all slowly, gradually realize the true nature of existence, our true animal nature, and how vain the whole process of life is at its core. Even those who successfully by different methods, spend their lives willingly ignoring death, absurdity, randomness, die because their organs fail at some point. For others, the body still work, but the mind have seen it all too soon.
And there is no coming back , no possibility to become an ignorant, innocent child again, it's a one way travel.

[polychronopolous]

animals, who fight for survival, for access to limited resources that at one point anyway, will disapear for all.

Because resources.

[loco]

I see this all the time here in SFL.  Not just because I work in the health care industry either.  In almost every case, both of the people involved are dying.  The caretaker is just dying a little bit slower than the other.  That is what it does.  It takes from you.  It takes bits and pieces from you until you feel like a slave trapped in a situation that when all emotions are considered is like some kind of personal hell.  It does take it's toll on you.

While you may not can do much about her dying, you can put some effort into you living.  Take a little time for yourself.  Not just here on GB either.  Can you go to a movie for a couple of hours?  Walk the mall?  Play video games or put up a basket ball goal in the back yard and shoot some hoops when you are feeling the pressure.  Is it possible to hire a nurse aide for half a day and give yourself some time to go on a day trip somewhere?  Will your children take over the duties for one weekend to let you get away?

It sucks and sometimes you just want to give up and quit.  But you know what really sucks?  The way you feel for the rest of your life when it ends if you do give up.  You have to be strong for her and YOU.  But you also have to let her decide a few things along the way.  (Assuming she is in the right frame of mind).  It's her life and in some cases when things are really bad and there is no bright future or hope to look forward to, those people can get very depressed and frustrated and lash out at the ones closet to them.

Sorry you are going through this.

[da_vinci]

In the end she will die in uter physical and psychological pain and distress and prime will just go on until it's his turn.

And the same awaits all of us.



Life.

Isnt it beautiful?

Or... you die like my grand grandmother, at 92, fully capable, in a great health (up to her last minutes), suddenly, in seconds, without pain.

[da_vinci]

All this human condition nonsense will dissapear relatively soon (for the rich, obviously). They will die from: accidents, infection, injury, etc... but not from gradual physical degeneration, just like other species who doesn't age (some aligators, some fish, some turtles, some birds.. They die from anything except getting old, because they simply... doesn't show any signs of aging. Evolution was  very kind for them. A perfectly adapted species, who at some point did not have any external dangers, predators, etc.. so natural selection was working on their mollecular mechanisms that keep organism in a youth phenotype, a perpetual state of perfectly working reproduction system).

[loco]

Advice for the younger getbiggers:

1. Save now as much as you can and invest in very low cost index funds in a 401K, Traditional IRA or Roth IRA.

2. Look into Long Term Care insurance.  It's not for everybody, but if it's for you it could be a life saver if/when you need it.

3. If you can, buy or build a home for "aging in place" with only one level, no stairs, on flat property, with door handles instead of door knobs, wide hallways, wide door frames, etc.

[Primemuscle]

Cant she simply fill papers to be euthanasied at her own demand?

Not sure where you live, but in Oregon assisted suicide is legal. This doesn't mean someone can just arbitrarily fill out paperwork asking to be euthanized. Assisted suicide is reserved for folks whose death is eminent. Folks who have similar health issues to my wife's has can live a long time.

Just saw her doctor today. The hope is she will continue to feel better over the next several weeks as the positive affects of dialysis kick in.

If at some point she decides she no longer wishes to do dialysis, she can do this. No paperwork is necessary. For various reasons, people do sometimes chose to discontinue dialysis.  

[Natural Man]

Or... you die like my grand grandmother, at 92, fully capable, in a great health (up to her last minutes), suddenly, in seconds, without pain.

did you see her die?   often family members tell the younger ones "he, she, went at peace without pain "in her sleep"... when people actually died shitting their pants crying and shouting while having convulsions. You re pretty naive/ ignorant. Not too surprised, young generations ignore death or think they know what it s about from seeing it on TV, but REAL death is another matter. Just like young uneducated soldiers who watched action movies suddenly face gorish stuff on the battlefield and get shocked while the educated officers stay far away and tell them to move on.

[Natural Man]

All this human condition nonsense will dissapear relatively soon (for the rich, obviously). They will die from: accidents, infection, injury, etc... but not from gradual physical degeneration, just like other species who doesn't age (some aligators, some fish, some turtles, some birds.. They die from anything except getting old, because they simply... doesn't show any signs of aging. Evolution was  very kind for them. A perfectly adapted species, who at some point did not have any external dangers, predators, etc.. so natural selection was working on their mollecular mechanisms that keep organism in a youth phenotype, a perpetual state of perfectly working reproduction system).

keep telling yourself that... fact is you ll probably die in pain just like everyone else, sorry to break it to you.

[Primemuscle]

Advice for the younger getbiggers:

1. Save now as much as you can and invest in very low cost index funds in a 401K, Traditional IRA or Roth IRA.

2. Look into Long Term Care insurance.  It's not for everybody, but if it's for you it could be a life saver if/when you need it.

3. If you can, buy or build a home for "aging in place" with only one level, no stairs, on flat property, with door handles instead of door knobs, wide hallways, wide door frames, etc.

This is great advice.

My wife and I are fortunate in that we invested/saved for our retirement years. As a result we have a modest but substantial income which should continue to meet our financial needs for decades, should we live that long.

We did not invest in long term care insurance. We invested in our family who are committed to helping us as we age....much as I am helping my wife. The option of living in a nursing home is not something either of us wants nor do our children want this for us.

Our home allows for aging in place. We have almost 2,000 sq. ft on the main level with three bedrooms and two baths. We have levers instead of knobs on the doors. Only one hallway lacks enough width should we become wheelchair bound. Minor remodeling would fix this is the need were ever there. There is one step up to each of two doors and no steps out to the patio. We have an additional 1,000 sq. ft. upstairs with a second master bedroom, bath and exceptionally large second living room. This home accommodates multiple generations with ease.

[Primemuscle]

did you see her die?   often family members tell the younger ones "he, she, went at peace without pain "in her sleep"... when people actually died shitting their pants crying and shouting while having convulsions. You re pretty naive/ ignorant. Not too surprised, young generations ignore death or think they know what it s about from seeing it on TV, but REAL death is another matter. Just like young uneducated soldiers who watched action movies suddenly face gorish stuff on the battlefield and get shocked while the educated officers stay far away and tell them to move on.

Any pain one feels when they are dying is quickly overcome once they die. Many women go through a lot of pain during childbirth. Most survive it. Not only that, they often forget how bad it was. Ever passed a kidney stone? I've heard that it is the worst for men. My with passed kidney stones a few times when she was in her 30's. She says the pain was pretty bad. I once dropped a cast iron tub while trying to move it. The edge of it cut deeply into my right shin. Once the shock of it passed and it started pouring blood, it hurt like a son-of-a-bitch.

Point is, it is not just at the time of dying that we could feel enormous pain. Life's little bumps can be very painful too.

[da_vinci]

did you see her die?   often family members tell the younger ones "he, she, went at peace without pain "in her sleep"... when people actually died shitting their pants crying and shouting while having convulsions. You re pretty naive/ ignorant. Not too surprised, young generations ignore death or think they know what it s about from seeing it on TV, but REAL death is another matter. Just like young uneducated soldiers who watched action movies suddenly face gorish stuff on the battlefield and get shocked while the educated officers stay far away and tell them to move on.

That was like 6 years ago or so, I was a fully griwn adult already, no need to lie anything to me, and I was seeing her pretty often. She annoyed the hell out of my grandmother as she lived together with my grandparents (was a mother of my grandfather) and due to her great health she always wanted to "keep things in check" and participate in everything. My father was visiting them at the weekend and in the morning she woke up, came to a kitchen, said "I feel unwell today" and minutes after just dropped dead, her spleen ruptured, blood came out of the mouth, that's it. No pain, no prior health issues, nothing. She was exceptionally calm person btw, I think it contributed to her great health as basically nothing was able to make her overly anxious or nervous (the same is my grandfather, genes..).
 Know a few other people who died like that.

[da_vinci]

keep telling yourself that... fact is you ll probably die in pain just like everyone else, sorry to break it to you.

You obviously have no idea about the current events in these fields. You'll be in for quite a dissapointment if you won't find a way to earn some good money as therapies who will make it at least a lot easier to face that reality are closer than you think.

[Las Vegas]

This is actually a discussion about quality of life. My wife has kidney failure, congestive heart failure, type II diabetes, severe anemia, osteoarthritis, a non functioning thyroid and probably some other things, I'm not remembering. She takes a bunch of medications several times a day, uses oxygen 24/7 and needs a walker to get around. For her, getting though each day is a huge chore. Although my wife agreed to give dialysis a try, she did this for me and our children then for herself. Initially, she declined to do dialysis when it became  an ongoing thing, which it is at this point.

Personally, I think she is a brave woman to put up as much of a fight to continue life as she is currently doing. I don't know that I would be that brave. This is why these choices are hers. She's not a child. I am not her parent.

Then are you saying these are suicidal gestures?:

The main issue is checking her blood sugar. She's supposed to do this before every meal and if it is over 200 give herself an insulin shot. The shots are something new for her. She was on an oral medication for blood sugar control but that was causing her to have low blood sugar which is very dangerous too. She doesn't like doing this. If no one reminds her to check her blood sugar, she'll often skip it and the insulin shot. If I remind her by asking if she's checked it, she sometimes snaps back that she's got it under control and to stop treating her like a child. This is what started the ruckus last night.

[The Ugly]

In the end she will die in uter physical and psychological pain and distress and prime will just go on until it's his turn.

And the same awaits all of us.



Life.

Isnt it beautiful?

What's your goal here? Just making strangers as uncomfortable and unhappy as you possibly can?

[The Ugly]

did you see her die?   often family members tell the younger ones "he, she, went at peace without pain "in her sleep"... when people actually died shitting their pants crying and shouting while having convulsions. You re pretty naive/ ignorant. Not too surprised, young generations ignore death or think they know what it s about from seeing it on TV, but REAL death is another matter. Just like young uneducated soldiers who watched action movies suddenly face gorish stuff on the battlefield and get shocked while the educated officers stay far away and tell them to move on.

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Cool thing is, knowing you don't have the balls to end your own suffering, you too will be faced with a prolonged, miserable death when the time comes. You've certainly earned it.

[The Scott]

Natural Man, as the arabs once said the world is like a cucumber.  One day its in hand, the next its up your butt.

You?  You'd pull it out and make a salad.

Sheesh but you are one depressing individual. 

[Primemuscle]

Then are you saying these are suicidal gestures?:

What are suicidal gestures? I am not clear on what you are asking here.

Are you suggesting that by not checking her blood sugar, she is overtly trying to off herself? I don't this very much.

If we all only did what was good for our health, most of us might live longer....or not. Sometimes, especially for people who have to monitor their health on a continuing basis, it just gets old.

Just so you understand, people in stage 5 kidney failure sometimes get confused and forget things. I am not suggesting my wife has dementia, but when toxins build up in her system she probably isn't as sharp as she normally would be. The challenge for me is to understand when reminding her to do stuff won't make her feel like she is becoming senile or that I am ruling her life.

[loco]

This is great advice.

My wife and I are fortunate in that we invested/saved for our retirement years. As a result we have a modest but substantial income which should continue to meet our financial needs for decades, should we live that long.

We did not invest in long term care insurance. We invested in our family who are committed to helping us as we age....much as I am helping my wife. The option of living in a nursing home is not something either of us wants nor do our children want this for us.

Our home allows for aging in place. We have almost 2,000 sq. ft on the main level with three bedrooms and two baths. We have levers instead of knobs on the doors. Only one hallway lacks enough width should we become wheelchair bound. Minor remodeling would fix this is the need were ever there. There is one step up to each of two doors and no steps out to the patio. We have an additional 1,000 sq. ft. upstairs with a second master bedroom, bath and exceptionally large second living room. This home accommodates multiple generations with ease.

Good for you!  You and your wife are very smart and fortunate indeed.

To clarify, Long Term Care Insurance doesn't only cover nursing home stays.  Long-term care insurance generally covers home care, assisted living, adult daycare, respite care, hospice care, nursing home and Alzheimer's facilities. If home care coverage is purchased, long-term care insurance can pay for home care, often from the first day it is needed.

[greeneyes]

Natural Man, as the arabs once said the world is like a cucumber.  One day its in hand, the next its up your butt.

You?  You'd pull it out and make a salad.

Sheesh but you are one depressing individual. 

Stop mocking arabs as the joke is in yourself.

[Las Vegas]

What are suicidal gestures? I am not clear on what you are asking here.

Are you suggesting that by not checking her blood sugar, she is overtly trying to off herself? I don't this very much.

If we all only did what was good for our health, most of us might live longer....or not. Sometimes, especially for people who have to monitor their health on a continuing basis, it just gets old.

Just so you understand, people in stage 5 kidney failure sometimes get confused and forget things. I am not suggesting my wife has dementia, but when toxins build up in her system she probably isn't as sharp as she normally would be. The challenge for me is to understand when reminding her to do stuff won't make her feel like she is becoming senile or that I am ruling her life.

Is there some reason why you can't be with her before the problem arises?

[da_vinci]

What's your goal here? Just making strangers as uncomfortable and unhappy as you possibly can?

When you realize that stuff - you don't want to be "alone" who knows it.. Evem suffering is easier when these around you suffer too. And he's right on many points, the thing is... if many people would realize it - they would go insane, literally. it takes a serious strength to know the "behind the scenes" of life and not to become crazy. His goal is exactly that - to not suffer the realization alone. I'm still not sure whether it is better to suffer as a clueless animal or as an enlightened one tho'.