Author Topic: REPUBLICANS THROWING THE ELECTION EARLY.....All agree with Indiana anti-gay law  (Read 6213 times)

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Those Republicans!...what a fun bunch of guys!...every single Republican candidate agrees with Indiana Gov. Pense's law which legalizes discrimination against gay couples.....amazing..... ...you can't discriminate against a single gay person but if you're a couple, watch out!!!!!

Rubio, Cruz, and Bush came out for it......there goes the gay vote.....many moderate votes lost as well......The Republicans can't help alienating people.....

I guess Hillary will be president

I've never seen Rachel Maddow so happy!!!!!!

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Those Republicans!...what a fun bunch of guys!...every single Republican candidate agrees with Indiana Gov. Pense's law which legalizes discrimination against gay couples.....amazing..... ...you can't discriminate against a single gay person but if you're a couple, watch out!!!!!

Rubio, Cruz, and Bush came out for it......there goes the gay vote.....many moderate votes lost as well......The Republicans can't help alienating people.....

I guess Hillary will be president

I've never seen Rachel Maddow so happy!!!!!!

Really the law actually says you can discriminate against gay couples?

Strange that 19 other states have religious freedom laws, modeled after a federal law - Religious Freedom Restoration Act - signed by non other than Bill Clinton.

Hmmmm looks like another red herring...........
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this is even from fox news :D

ERIC SHAWN: You know, the law was intended to protect personal religious liberties against government overreach and intrusion. So what happened?

BAIER: Well, Indiana’s law is written a little differently. It is more broad. It is different than the federal law that it’s close to, but different than, and also different than 19 other states and how the law is written. In specific terms, Indiana’s law deals with a person who can claim religious persecution but that includes corporations, for-profit entities and it could also be used as a defense in a civil suit that does not involve the government. That is broader than the other laws. This is where it’s a little different in Indiana’s case. You saw governor Mike Pence try to defend the law and say it’s just like the 1993 federal law where it’s just like 19 other states, but as you look in the fine print, it’s not really, and it may be something that Indiana deals with in specifics to line up with the others

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pizza for a wedding  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Indiana Pizzeria: No Pies for Gay Weddings
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A Walkertown, Indiana, pizza shop is the state’s first business to declare it will discriminate against gays after the Religious Freedom Restoration Act was signed into law last week. “If a gay couple came in and wanted us to provide pizzas for their wedding, we would have to say no,” Memories Pizza owner Crystal O’Connor told a local news station. “We are a Christian establishment.” However, gay couples—like those of other faiths—are welcome to patronize the establishment on non-matrimonial occasions. “I don’t think it’s discrimination,” O’Connor says. “It’s supposed to help people that have a religious belief.” Gov. Mike Pence said yesterday that he didn’t believe the law allowed discrimination but asked for new legislation to “fix” the RFRA by the end of the week.

Read it at ABC News

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Seems to me if I don't believe in gay marriage as it violates my beliefs then I'm also protected. You people can't have it both ways....
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But hey....this is sooooooooooooooooooooooo much more important then making a disasterously dangerous deal with nuclear deal with Iran right? They only want to nuke us and they hang gays.....but Obama loves em and anything Obama loves the sheep in the dem party need to slober all over.
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But hey....this is sooooooooooooooooooooooo much more important then making a disasterously dangerous deal with nuclear deal with Iran right? They only want to nuke us and they hang gays.....but Obama loves em and anything Obama loves the sheep in the dem party need to slober all over.

can we stay on topic of the post,if you want to go cry about Obama start a new thread

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Absofuckinglutely.....I'll let the folks from Ace of Spades lead off....

There is no principle here. The zealots are not claiming that we must be tolerant towards all -- that is a principle most could agree with.

No, they are instead claiming we must embrace the things they love, and hate -- and persecute -- the things they hate.

This is not "tolerance." This is, at best, simply the replacement of one set of bigotries and hatreds with the
left's favored set of bigotries and hatreds.

This WSJ is worth a read, though it gets, I think, pretty deceptive in its middle part. The WSJ says that opponents of Indiana's RFRA law "claim" that the law would "empower" florists and wedding photographers to "discriminate" against gay weddings.

That's not the claim, Old Bean. That's the entire point.

And it signals how lost this issue is when not even the defenders of the RFRA can even admit the law's purpose. They seem compelled to pretend this bit about refusing service to gay weddings is just some hypothetical crazy talk.

It's not. It's the whole point. And we should not be afraid to say so.

I don't disagree with those who refuse to serve gay weddings, and I don't necessarily agree with them, either. I don't have to. That is the point of tolerance -- not that I either disagree or agree with someone's decision or someone's self-expression, but that I support his rights to decide for himself, and express himself, as he sees fit.

My agreement with his decisions or speech -- my disgust with it -- my sympathies for it -- my hatred of it -- irrelevant, because I am not weighing in on the speech or decision itself -- merely whether I believe an American has a right to so speak or so decide.

And on that matter, I most emphatically do support their right to decide or speak as they would.

Otherwise, I'm afraid I'm going to start needing to demand my own laws, such as a law requiring liberals to confess that the earth hasn't warmed in 17 years and that there is nothing but speculation offered to explain this away whenever I demand they make that concession.

Because that's all the gay "rights" activists are doing here -- they are forcing people who disagree with their political beliefs to endorse those political beliefs anyway, using the crushing power of the state to compel assent.

And if that's the new game in town -- I have a lot of things I wish to force liberals to agree to. Such as the fact that Obama is, in fact, a leftwing socialist who despises America in his core.

This is not about serving gays, this is about acceding to gays' (and non-gay Gay Enthusiasts') demeans that those who dissent with gay weddings nevertheless be forced to endorse them.
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Really the law actually says you can discriminate against gay couples?

Strange that 19 other states have religious freedom laws, modeled after a federal law - Religious Freedom Restoration Act - signed by non other than Bill Clinton.

Hmmmm looks like another red herring...........

not according to FOX.  Not according to all the CEOs throwing a shitfit. 

This is Pence trying to out-base everyone.  Well, it worked lol. 

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Bottom line.......blow all the dudes u want...stop shoving it in my face and more to the point your right to blow dudes doesn't in any way shape or form replace my right not to like it.

If a minority of bakers refuses services to gay weddings, what actual damage befalls gays? There are still many, many more bakers who will bake them their cakes. So what is the actual harm?

They never answer this question -- they never ask it, so they couldn't answer it -- but the actual answer would be: "The harm is finding out that someone disagrees with my Sacred Belief on gay marriage."

To which I say: Get over it, Sally. A lot of people disagree with you about a lot of things. The fact that you're hysterical about it and also quite cruel -- the way that only a weakling can be truly cruel, when he finally gets a bit of power over someone -- is not a good reason to let you beat someone around using the law as your cudgel.

What is being pursued here is not gays' right to have wedding cake. They have this, of course, and do not need the law's insistence to get it.

What is being pursued here is hardcore gay-identity crusaders' insistence that no one has the right to disagree with them on their Sacred Belief, and that the law can and should be perverted into punishing ThoughtCrimes.

What we are seeing here is the enforcement of a new religious code, one which puts "secular" leftist values at the center of religious dogma, and then uses the power of the state to punish heretics, apostates, and blasphemers.

It is ugly, cruel, and stupid, as are most things the left wants.
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not according to FOX.  Not according to all the CEOs throwing a shitfit. 

This is Pence trying to out-base everyone.  Well, it worked lol. 

They're throwing a shit fit that will be over in a week. 
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Apple's Gay CEO Tim Cook Wants to Boycott Indiana for Its Allegedly Anti-Gay RFRA, But Will Gladly Sell You an iPhone At Its Boutique in Riyadh, Where They'll Stone You to Death For Being Gay.......Ace of SpADES.

I suspect...can't be sure..but suspect that all you libs are full of shit.
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not according to FOX.  Not according to all the CEOs throwing a shitfit. 

This is Pence trying to out-base everyone.  Well, it worked lol. 

You've mistaken me for someone who gives a fuck what the MSM has to say. This is a bunch of non sense as usual, as stated 19 other states and a federal law already exist. So what's the big fucking deal?
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They're throwing a shit fit that will be over in a week.  

Pence is a VERY smart man.  He knew he would get a national shitstorm by doing this 5 minutes before the Final Four.

The law is just another law, but the political impact on the 2016 race can be huge.  Every one of the top Repubs got behind this.   This "over in a week" will be tweaked/overturned very quckly, and Jeb or Cruz will be wearing that egg on their shirt in October 2016 national debates.

Repubs fell intp Pence's trap here.

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They're throwing a shit fit that will be over in a week.  

lol it will be over because they're tweaking the law to mirror the 19 other states and fed law

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You've mistaken me for someone who gives a fuck what the MSM has to say. This is a bunch of non sense as usual, as stated 19 other states and a federal law already exist. So what's the big fucking deal?

are you saying this law is the same as the one in the other 19 states, and that this one doesn't push if further in any extreme way?

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are you saying this law is the same as the one in the other 19 states, and that this one doesn't push if further in any extreme way?

that's what rush says :D

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are you saying this law is the same as the one in the other 19 states, and that this one doesn't push if further in any extreme way?

Again I don't care, being gay does not trump ones religious beliefs plain and simple. Since when did a sexual preference become a "protected class"? If I run a business and don't want to hire a cross dresser or "transgender" (PC bullshit) why should I have to? I for one am tired of every "minority" crying discrimination at every slight. Fuck them and fuck you if you don't like it.
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Again I don't care, being gay does not trump ones religious beliefs plain and simple. Since when did a sexual preference become a "protected class"? If I run a business and don't want to hire a cross dresser or "transgender" (PC bullshit) why should I have to? I for one am tired of every "minority" crying discrimination at every slight. Fuck them and fuck you if you don't like it.


If you want to skip my two posts..this about sums it all up. Both are funny
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Really the law actually says you can discriminate against gay couples?

Strange that 19 other states have religious freedom laws, modeled after a federal law - Religious Freedom Restoration Act - signed by non other than Bill Clinton.

Hmmmm looks like another red herring...........

nope........Indiana's law goes beyond the laws of the other states

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But hey....this is sooooooooooooooooooooooo much more important then making a disasterously dangerous deal with nuclear deal with Iran right? They only want to nuke us and they hang gays.....but Obama loves em and anything Obama loves the sheep in the dem party need to slober all over.

what does Obama have to do with this?????????????????????.....you're reaching really badly here

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nope........Indiana's law goes beyond the laws of the other states

we know that he just using his right wing talking points,they seem to think if they say it enough time it becomes true :D

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Absofuckinglutely.....I'll let the folks from Ace of Spades lead off....

There is no principle here. The zealots are not claiming that we must be tolerant towards all -- that is a principle most could agree with.

No, they are instead claiming we must embrace the things they love, and hate -- and persecute -- the things they hate.

This is not "tolerance." This is, at best, simply the replacement of one set of bigotries and hatreds with the
left's favored set of bigotries and hatreds.

This WSJ is worth a read, though it gets, I think, pretty deceptive in its middle part. The WSJ says that opponents of Indiana's RFRA law "claim" that the law would "empower" florists and wedding photographers to "discriminate" against gay weddings.

That's not the claim, Old Bean. That's the entire point.

And it signals how lost this issue is when not even the defenders of the RFRA can even admit the law's purpose. They seem compelled to pretend this bit about refusing service to gay weddings is just some hypothetical crazy talk.

It's not. It's the whole point. And we should not be afraid to say so.

I don't disagree with those who refuse to serve gay weddings, and I don't necessarily agree with them, either. I don't have to. That is the point of tolerance -- not that I either disagree or agree with someone's decision or someone's self-expression, but that I support his rights to decide for himself, and express himself, as he sees fit.

My agreement with his decisions or speech -- my disgust with it -- my sympathies for it -- my hatred of it -- irrelevant, because I am not weighing in on the speech or decision itself -- merely whether I believe an American has a right to so speak or so decide.

And on that matter, I most emphatically do support their right to decide or speak as they would.

Otherwise, I'm afraid I'm going to start needing to demand my own laws, such as a law requiring liberals to confess that the earth hasn't warmed in 17 years and that there is nothing but speculation offered to explain this away whenever I demand they make that concession.

Because that's all the gay "rights" activists are doing here -- they are forcing people who disagree with their political beliefs to endorse those political beliefs anyway, using the crushing power of the state to compel assent.

And if that's the new game in town -- I have a lot of things I wish to force liberals to agree to. Such as the fact that Obama is, in fact, a leftwing socialist who despises America in his core.

This is not about serving gays, this is about acceding to gays' (and non-gay Gay Enthusiasts') demeans that those who dissent with gay weddings nevertheless be forced to endorse them.


you don't have to embrace anything..just treat people equally...simple

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Again I don't care, being gay does not trump ones religious beliefs plain and simple. Since when did a sexual preference become a "protected class"? If I run a business and don't want to hire a cross dresser or "transgender" (PC bullshit) why should I have to? I for one am tired of every "minority" crying discrimination at every slight. Fuck them and fuck you if you don't like it.

well..you've just exposed yourself......nothing else to argue  here

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we know that he just using his right wing talking points,they seem to thing if they say it enough time it becomes true :D

LOL@"right wing talking points" :D