Police Abuse of Uber Driver in NY

[Deacon Jeschin]

Question for you Agnostic:

You and your partner arrive on a scene. Your partner uses excessive force against a civilian. You were the only witness. You get questioned. Partner is denying excessive force though you saw it happen. Whose side do you take? Your partners side or the civilians side?

Come on....you already know the answer to that......

And the line of bullshit that you got as a response to your inquiery is just that.....bullshit.  No pig is throwing another under the bus just because "it's the right thing to do."  The rare ones that do aren't long for the job.

Remember one thing: Cops are professional liars.  They lie to get information.....They lie about the information they get, if it doesn't suit their needs.  The are allowed to lie to you when asking you questions - that's why you never talk to them without legal representation.

[SF1900]

Come on....you already know the answer to that......

And the line of bullshit that you got as a response to your inquiery is just that.....bullshit.  No pig is throwing another under the bus just because "it's the right thing to do."  The rare ones that do aren't long for the job.

Remember one thing: Cops are professional liars.  They lie to get information.....They lie about the information they get, if it doesn't suit their needs.  The are allowed to lie to you when asking you questions - that's why you never talk to them without legal representation.

I agree. Fear and intimidation rule the police force, i.e., if you're not with us, you're against us and will pay dearly (loss of job via fear and intimidation). The police force has set the system up in this manner. There  needs to be an overhaul of the police system and a better understanding of how fear and intimidation are used to keep members silent in fear of consequences.

[Parker]

I agree. Fear and intimidation rule the police force, i.e., if you're not with us, you're against us and will pay dearly (loss of job via fear and intimidation). The police force has set the system up in this manner. There  needs to be an overhaul of the police system and a better understanding of how fear and intimidation are used to keep members silent in fear of consequences.

The police force hasn't set the system up like this. The police fall under the Executive Branch. So, think about it. The police get the ok and wink from up top. From the Legislative Branch and also from the Judicial Branch.
As society falls apart, law enforcement adapts---to regular people for the worse.
Your three Branch's of government figure, "hey someone has to do the dirty work of keeping the unwashed masses in check", and when things hit the fan...they wash their hands of them.

[SF1900]

The police force hasn't set the system up like this. The police fall under the Executive Branch. So, think about it. The police get the ok and wink from up top. From the Legislative Branch and also from the Judicial Branch.
As society falls apart, law enforcement adapts---to regular people for the worse.
Your three Branch's of government figure, "hey someone has to do the dirty work of keeping the unwashed masses in check", and when things hit the fan...they wash their hands of them.

I never said the police force was directly implicated in setting it up like that, nonetheless, they rule through fear and intimidation, whether or not that was developed internally or externally. Of course there are usually multiple systems involved in the ways systems are organized. That does not take away from the fact that the police force is cult-like, and has set up the idea of, "you're either with us, or your against it." Whether that was developed internally or externally is a different question. Nonetheless, that is often the mind of the police force. I know people who are cops who have this mindset-"you help your own!" Period! And yes, the police force does use fear and intimidation. There have been many cops, after retirement, who have stated that fear and intimidation was used against them if they wanted to take an opposing view. You're wrong.

[240 is Back]

12 complaints and hundreds that weren't reported. Fire the guy.

This.   If you work at Starbucks, and your only duty is to serve coffee, and you talk to someone like this, you're fired.

If you're a cop, you are sworn to protect the public, and you talk to someone like this... still keeps the job?   lol

[Deacon Jeschin]

I agree. Fear and intimidation rule the police force, i.e., if you're not with us, you're against us and will pay dearly (loss of job via fear and intimidation). The police force has set the system up in this manner. There  needs to be an overhaul of the police system and a better understanding of how fear and intimidation are used to keep members silent in fear of consequences.

There will never be an overhauling of the system....because it works mostly for those only within that same system.  I know there are exceptions, but mostly pigs protect their own, their families, and friends.  Also, any asshole that gives their local PBA money for a shield that sits in their windshield gets a "free pass" to most speeding/driving infractions.  I'd rather donate to the ISIS youth college fund than have a worthless piece of tin shit sit atop my dash......

[OneMoreRep]

To me it looked like police brutality.

You slam the person's door, with no regard to whether you can hurt them in the process.

You illegally hold them (a form of arrest) for no justifiable reason. By stopping a car on the side of the road, you inadvertently cause traffic jams, whereby other cars have to now switch to opposite lanes just to keep traffic moving. That, in itself, can cause accidents and massive delays that can carry for miles out.

You belittle the individual with derogatory racial undertones.

You scare the passengers and make them fear for their lives (they don't know where the event will escalate to).

You brag about your authority.

He did all this because the driver was clearly a foreigner and with very little knowledge of the law. If it were a more affluent individual, this would have not gone down that way.

Now, I have a lot of friends that work for the NYPD and not all of the officers are that way. Unfortunately, the bad apples are high in numbers and tend to also get a lot of publicity.

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[Deacon Jeschin]

This.   If you work at Starbucks, and your only duty is to serve coffee, and you talk to someone like this, you're fired.

If you're a cop, you are sworn to protect the public, and you talk to someone like this... still keeps the job?   lol

At Starbucks, complaints about an employee affects business.  Complaints about cops.....to other cops go nowhere.  Unless there's a video of it like the one of this jackass.

Did you ever hear the recruiting ad for NYC cops a few years back?  It started with "Want to retire with half pay after 20 years service?"

Not.....Serve the public, fight crime, make a difference, etc.  It would be funny, except they give guys like that guns and they roam the streets. This dickhead had multiple complaints against him.....and he made detective.  Must have scored a C+ in basket weaving to attain the promotion.  

[Parker]

At Starbucks, complaints about an employee affects business.  Complaints about cops.....to other cops go nowhere.  Unless there's a video of it like the one of this jackass.

Did you ever hear the recruiting ad for NYC cops a few years back?  It started with "Want to retire with half pay after 20 years service?"

Not.....Serve the public, fight crime, make a difference, etc.  It would be funny, except they give guys like that guns and they roam the streets. This dickhead had multiple complaints against him.....and he made detective.  Must have scored a C+ in basket weaving to attain the promotion.  

Dude, this is kindergarten cop shit compared to the 50s-70s cops.
Accountability? Please, he would have been bragging about what he did, if not have done more. Being an a-hole was accepted back then. Now, it's not.
Also, people in service jobs, like LE, will get complaints, not all, but many will. So, having complaints is moot.
Two, three, four, five---are all multiple. The detective will be/has been reprimanded, and this will flame out, Americans and their short attention spans will forget...but don't look at the bigger picture.

As I said before, you have two entities, the NYPD and Uber, which both are under flack, and yet nobody on here has made the connection. Now that is the sad part about this whole thread. Getbiggers falling down on the job, getting lost in the "eff the police" tangent, and not seeing the bigger picture. Shame on all of you.

[SF1900]

Dude, this is kindergarten cop shit compared to the 50s-70s cops.
Accountability? Please, he would have been bragging about what he did, if not have done more. Being an a-hole was accepted back then. Now, it's not.
Also, people in service jobs, like LE, will get complaints, not all, but many will. So, having complaints is moot.
Two, three, four, five---are all multiple. The detective will be/has been reprimanded, and this will flame out, Americans and their short attention spans will forget...but don't look at the bigger picture.

As I said before, you have two entities, the NYPD and Uber, which both are under flack, and yet nobody on here has made the connection. Now that is the sad part about this whole thread. Getbiggers falling down on the job, getting lost in the "eff the police" tangent, and not seeing the bigger picture. Shame on all of you.

You conveniently skipped over my post.

Anyway, there are systemic issues behind the police force, even at a higher level. But guess what? I don't give a shit about those systemic issues. I only care about how the cops abuse people. Do you think i am going to say to myself. "Well, it was okay the cop abused his power because of systemic issues at play. He's just a pawn in all of it?"    So, while the police may be a pawn to higher systems, I don't give a shit. That's not my battle to fight. Its not going to excuse their misbehavior. You seem to want to excuse their abuse of power because they are pawns to other authorities in the system.  so, yes, at the end of the day I don't care about the bigger picture. I only care about how police treat civilians. Let the appropriate people deal with the bigger picture and change the system.

[Flexacon]

Not on of the better episodes of The Sheild

[Parker]

You conveniently skipped over my post.

Anyway, there are systemic issues behind the police force, even at a higher level. But guess what? I don't give a shit about those systemic issues. I only care about how the cops abuse people. Do you think i am going to say to myself. "Well, it was okay the cop abused his power because of systemic issues at play. He's just a pawn in all of it?"    So, while the police may be a pawn to higher systems, I don't give a shit. That's not my battle to fight. Its not going to excuse their misbehavior. You seem to want to excuse their abuse of power because they are pawns to other authorities in the system.  so, yes, at the end of the day I don't care about the bigger picture. I only care about how police treat civilians. Let the appropriate people deal with the bigger picture and change the system.

I don't excuse their behavior. It will happen, and continue to happen. Why? Because they are human. And secondly, they get picked from society. As society goes downhill, so do the quality of its citizens and since the police are part of that, so they represent the quality of its citizenry. A direct reflection.
People perceive that as a NYC cop acting not just as NYC cops do, but like NYC inhabitants do, for wrong or right.

It's not ok, for a cop to abuse his/ or her power. But it happens. Just like with judges, teachers, people in power abuse it, because they are people in power. What you can do is highlighted, and minimize it. Shame them, reprimand them, punish them. Make example of them. You will never eliminated.

I didn't answer your post because someone else already did.

The only way that the police system will be overhauled would be that it benefits Law Enforce and all three Branchs. As society goes down the toilet, you will see more heavy handedness, condemnation by politicians, but behind closed doors, a wink and a nod.

[SF1900]

I don't excuse their behavior. It will happen, and continue to happen. Why? Because they are human. And secondly, they get picked from society. As society goes downhill, so do the quality of its citizens and since the police are part of that, so they represent the quality of its citizenry. A direct reflection.
People perceive that as a NYC cop acting not just as NYC cops do, but like NYC inhabitants do, for wrong or right.

It's not ok, for a cop to abuse his/ or her power. But it happens. Just like with judges, teachers, people in power abuse it, because they are people in power. What you can do is highlighted, and minimize it. Shame them, reprimand them, punish them. Make example of them. You will never eliminated.

I didn't answer your post because someone else already did.

The only way that the police system will be overhauled would be that it benefits Law Enforce and all three Branchs. As society goes down the toilet, you will see more heavy handedness, condemnation by politicians, but behind closed doors, a wink and a nod.

Actually, no one responded to that post. I don't know what you're seeing.

As for the quality of the police work going down because society is going down is a crock of shit. You can't make a correlation between X and Y, as there is no justification for it. Police officers should be held to a higher standard of moral behavior, despite how society is acting. Its just an excuse for cops to act like assholes. Kind of like, "Well, police are a direct reflection of their society." No, sorry, it does not work that way, especially when you're job is to "serve and protect." If you can't do that, then you should not be a cop. Plain and simple.  It seems like there are not enough good people to be cops, and they need to pick from the bottom of the barrel, as they have no choice. Back in the day many people wanted to be cops, not so much any more. Thus, you're getting the worst of the worst.

[Parker]

Actually, no one responded to that post. I don't know what you're seeing.

As for the quality of the police work going down because society is going down is a crock of shit. You can't make a correlation between X and Y, as there is no justification for it. Police officers should be held to a higher standard of moral behavior, despite how society is acting. Its just an excuse for cops to act like assholes. Kind of like, "Well, police are a direct reflection of their society." No, sorry, it does not work that way, especially when you're job is to "serve and protect." If you can't do that, then you should not be a cop. Plain and simple.  It seems like there are not enough good people to be cops, and they need to pick from the bottom of the barrel, as they have no choice. Back in the day many people wanted to be cops, not so much any more. Thus, you're getting the worst of the worst.

Correct nobody answered that post, but another. You reiterated the same points in the following post.

[Erik C]

Abuse? All the cop did was yell at the illegal alien dirtball. The cop should have run a search on the dirtball. The illegal alien was driving without a CDL. He should gave been arrested, and deported back to the turd world pigsty where he came from, where the only thing he drove was a donkey.

[SF1900]

Correct nobody answered that post, but another. You reiterated the same points in the following post.

Fair point! 

[Agnostic007]

Come on....you already know the answer to that......

And the line of bullshit that you got as a response to your inquiery is just that.....bullshit.  No pig is throwing another under the bus just because "it's the right thing to do."  The rare ones that do aren't long for the job.

Remember one thing: Cops are professional liars.  They lie to get information.....They lie about the information they get, if it doesn't suit their needs.  The are allowed to lie to you when asking you questions - that's why you never talk to them without legal representation.

clear example of me wasting my time and energy... the hate clouds any chance of information getting through

[Deacon Jeschin]

clear example of me wasting my time and energy... the hate clouds any chance of information getting through

So let's say the story you told about costing your partner 10 days pay due to your honesty is true.  Finish the story.... How did that 11th day turn out?  Did your partner return to work, sit down next to you and say"hey agnostic, thanks for setting me straight."  Did you then work as if nothing happened? 

I'm sure the rest of the department still has your back, right?  Even though you are known to side with a civilian?

[Simple Simon]

To me it looked like police brutality.

You slam the person's door, with no regard to whether you can hurt them in the process.

You illegally hold them (a form of arrest) for no justifiable reason. By stopping a car on the side of the road, you inadvertently cause traffic jams, whereby other cars have to now switch to opposite lanes just to keep traffic moving. That, in itself, can cause accidents and massive delays that can carry for miles out.

You belittle the individual with derogatory racial undertones.

You scare the passengers and make them fear for their lives (they don't know where the event will escalate to).

You brag about your authority.

He did all this because the driver was clearly a foreigner and with very little knowledge of the law. If it were a more affluent individual, this would have not gone down that way.

Now, I have a lot of friends that work for the NYPD and not all of the officers are that way. Unfortunately, the bad apples are high in numbers and tend to also get a lot of publicity.

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And we didn't see the footage of what happened prior to the bit of him slamming his door.

Isnt it odd that the people who post this stuff always miss those bits out.
Its unlikely that the cop got that irate for nothing.

[SF1900]

And we didn't see the footage of what happened prior to the bit of him slamming his door.

Isnt it odd that the people who post this stuff always miss those bits out.
Its unlikely that the cop got that irate for nothing.

The cop already released what happened. The problem was that the car was an unmarked car and the police was not in uniform. The uber driver beeped at the car because the car was double parked ILLEGALLY!. If the guy knew it was a police car, I am sure he would not have beeped. The cop should have realized that the man did not know it was a police car because it was unmarked and should not have gotten irate like that. Either way, as a police officer you're supposed to keep your shit together. No reason to lose your cool like that, especially if you're carrying a weapon. Further, no reason to lose your cool when your life is not in immediate danger.

[Simple Simon]

The cop already released what happened. The problem was that the car was an unmarked car and the police was not in uniform. The uber driver beeped at the car because the car was double parked ILLEGALLY!. If the guy knew it was a police car, I am sure he would not have beeped. The cop should have realized that the man did not know it was a police car because it was unmarked and should not have gotten irate like that. Either way, as a police officer you're supposed to keep your shit together. No reason to lose your cool like that, especially if you're carrying a weapon. Further, no reason to lose your cool when your life is not in immediate danger.

So the guy was beeping at an unmarked cop car whilst the officer was in the process of carrying out his duties.

Didnt sound like the guy just said "sorry officer, I didnt realise you were a cop"

[Agnostic007]

So let's say the story you told about costing your partner 10 days pay due to your honesty is true.  Finish the story.... How did that 11th day turn out?  Did your partner return to work, sit down next to you and say"hey agnostic, thanks for setting me straight."  Did you then work as if nothing happened? 

I'm sure the rest of the department still has your back, right?  Even though you are known to side with a civilian?

Does it really matter to you what I say? we are all liars etc etc. I don't want to spend any time writing things out if all you're gonna do is gloss over it and claim I'm lying. Whats the point?

[SF1900]

So the guy was beeping at an unmarked cop car whilst the officer was in the process of carrying out his duties.

Didnt sound like the guy just said "sorry officer, I didnt realise you were a cop"

No, the cop was not doing anything related to police duty. This often happens. I see unmarked cars all the time, double parked ILLEGALLY, while the officer is going into a donut shop. Yup, carrying out his duties of getting a donut  Happens all the time in the city. Then if you beep at them, you're in the wrong, even though they are double parked illegally for no good reason.

Obviously, the cop was in the wrong, which is why he's on desk duty. The cop already told his story, and it was determined he was in the wrong.

[Agnostic007]

No, the cop was not doing anything related to police duty. This often happens. I see unmarked cars all the time, double parked ILLEGALLY, while the officer is going into a donut shop. Yup, carrying out his duties of getting a donut  Happens all the time in the city. Then if you beep at them, you're in the wrong, even though they are double parked illegally for no good reason.

Obviously, the cop was in the wrong, which is why he's on desk duty. The cop already told his story, and it was determined he was in the wrong.

Snap a pic of a double parked unmarked car in front of a donut shop next time you see one.. with the driver inside eating a donut. Shouldn't take you long to run across one right?

[Simple Simon]

No, the cop was not doing anything related to police duty. This often happens. I see unmarked cars all the time, double parked ILLEGALLY, while the officer is going into a donut shop. Yup, carrying out his duties of getting a donut  Happens all the time in the city. Then if you beep at them, you're in the wrong, even though they are double parked illegally for no good reason.

Obviously, the cop was in the wrong, which is why he's on desk duty. The cop already told his story, and it was determined he was in the wrong.

Really?
How do you know they are unmarked cars?

I think your memories are of Youtube videos.