Police Abuse of Uber Driver in NY

[Donny]

Donny, I think you have me confused with the ex prison guard. I was never on drugs or took them from anyone

you wrote about your busts on a thread and taking drugs. now i could not give a shit what went up your nose or ass... but a guy like you talking about a simple video on here where a cop is a dick ? You are talking to me about weapons and when to shoot? ho ho...

[SF1900]

Donny, I think you have me confused with the ex prison guard. I was never on drugs or took them from anyone

Agnostic, Slapper is right to a certain extent. When talking to my father, he never recalls cops being this way. Clearly, police officers have drastically changed over the last 50 years. Many people of my fathers generation do not recall cops acting like this. Now, there may be many reasons for this, however, you can't deny the fact that many people who were alive in the 1950's and before, see a drastic difference in the way police officers act today. I highly doubt all these people are wrong.

Was driving with my pops the other day and some cop car was blocking the way in the street. My dad asked the police officer if he can move his car. Police officer said no. My dad asked why and his response was, "Because I don't feel like it." My pops said, "This is why no one likes cops any more" and the police officer said, "Whatever." Sorry to say, but cops today are clearly power-hungry, assholes in many ways.

[Agnostic007]

you wrote about your busts on a thread and taking drugs. now i could not give a shit what went up your nose or ass... but a guy like you talking about a simple video on here where a cop is a dick ? You are talking to me about weapons and when to shoot? ho ho...

Donny, I'm going to have to invoke my right to challenge your claim. Produce the post where I said that. I called another poster out for bad mouthing "all cops" and he had posted he worked as a corrections officer, and would do all sorts of unethical and illegal things...   

[Donny]

The good cops get a bad name from these Gun Ho Assholes. Simply badly trained. Bad attitudes.

[SF1900]

The good cops get a bad name from these Gun Ho Assholes. Simply badly trained. Bad attitudes.

The issue is that MORE AND MORE are becoming this way. This is not an isolated incident.

As Bill Maher said, "When there’s this many bad apples, there’s something wrong with the orchard”

[Agnostic007]

Agnostic, Slapper is right to a certain extent. When talking to my father, he never recalls cops being this way. Clearly, police officers have drastically changed over the last 50 years. Many people of my fathers generation do not recall cops acting like this. Now, there may be many reasons for this, however, you can't deny the fact that many people who were alive in the 1950's and before, see a drastic difference in the way police officers act today. I highly doubt all these people are wrong.

Was driving with my pops the other day and some cop car was blocking the way in the street. My dad asked the police officer if he can move his car. Police officer said no. My dad asked why and his response was, "Because I don't feel like it." My pops said, "This is why no one likes cops any more" and the police officer said, "Whatever." Sorry to say, but cops today are clearly power-hungry, assholes in many ways.

SF

I certainly understand why it can seem that way. First, memories of "the good old days" are usually colored with selective memory. An example.. "I wish we were back in the 50's when god was still allowed in school" reality.. maybe prayer was, but black students weren't allowed to be in white people schools, they couldn't eat in the same establishments, mortality rate among new borns was higher etc etc.. MY opinion based partly on 35 yrs personal experience and partly history (think of cops in Detroit, Selma attacking black protestors with dogs) is that policing has come along way towards professionalism and we have better police officers for the most part than we did 50 years ago or even 30 or 20 years ago. What has changed is population, crime, and the prevalence of video recording everywhere. It makes it seem like cops are out of control because almost everytime a cop does something wrong, it makes the news or at least youtube/getbig. But the 100's of thousands of positive contacts rarely if ever make it. We are left with the impression it's prolific when its a very small percent of cops and contacts.

We still have a ways to go because if a cop is answering "because I don't want to" then we clearly aren't where we want to be or strive to be. But I really think we are moving that way.

[Thin Lizzy]

The good cops get a bad name from these Gun Ho Assholes. Simply badly trained. Bad attitudes.

It's also the environment. In NYC, cops deal with nothing but ghetto trash.

[SF1900]

It's also the environment. In NYC, cops deal with nothing but ghetto trash.

THAT IS PART OF THE JOB!! When you become a cop, you KNOW what you're getting into. If you can't keep your shit together when dealing with trash, then you should not become a cop. That is like becoming a firefighter, then bitching and moaning when you have to go fight a fire.

[Thin Lizzy]

THAT IS PART OF THE JOB!! When you become a cop, you KNOW what you're getting into. If you can't keep your shit together when dealing with trash, then you should not become a cop. That is like becoming a firefighter, then bitching and moaning when you have to go fight a fire.

You're right, but not all cop jobs are created equal. Being a cop in some nice Lilly white suburban area is miles different than what a cop in NYC has to deal with.

[bigkid]

Cops are so dumb these days.  Fucking useless.

[SF1900]

You're right, but not all cop jobs are created equal. Being a cop in some nice Lilly white suburban area is miles different than what a cop in NYC has to deal with.

Well, that was their free American choice to become a NPYD cop. Did you or I force that on them? No. You can't make a conscious decision about what you want your job to be, then bitch and moan when its not what you expected. Any person becoming an NYPD cop knows what they are getting into. If you don't want to deal with trash, then don't become an NYPD cop. Move to a small town in Vermont and become a cop. But you don't get to bitch and moan and lose your shit when you  have to deal with trash. Its the role you took on. Plain and simple.

[WalterWhite]

At least the cop's getting busted a bit, desk duty, demotion, being transferred, etc...


http://nypost.com/2015/04/01/cop-that-berated-uber-driver-stripped-of-badge-and-gun/

Ha!

[Slapper]

It makes it seem like cops are out of control because almost everytime a cop does something wrong, it makes the news or at least youtube/get-big.

Dude, that's not true at all.

[240 is Back]

In before SOME REPUBLCIANS cop sympathizers say:

The cop was having a bad day. Cut him some slack.
If you hate the police so much, then don't call them when you're in trouble.
When I get pulled over, I am nice and respectful to the cops, and nothing bad happens to me.
It's clear that this driver was being irate and difficult. If he would have just followed what the cop said, the cop would not have gotten pissed off at him.
The cop was just following procedure.
Cops have a very tough and stressful job, so he made one mistake, big deal.
The people filming the video only captured the last part of the incident. Clearly, the driver must have done something bad that wasn't caught on camera.
The cop felt threatened for his life, therefore he was allowed to scream and yell at him. I mean, look at the driver, clearly threatening the cop.

it's usually repubs on getbig saying police have the right to treat people like shit.  Like bending over for a blue night stick is patriotic or something.

[Agnostic007]

Cops are so dumb these days.  Fucking useless.

pretty useless comment.. how ironic

[Agnostic007]

Dude, that's not true at all.

I think it is, you think it isnt.. now what?

[bigkid]

pretty useless comment.. how ironic

Just speaking the truth.  Cops are dumb as fuck.  There should be a min IQ requirement.

[SF1900]

pretty useless comment.. how ironic

Lets be honest here, you don't have to be too smart to be a cop. You need 60 college credits to be a cop. Basically, 2 years after high school. After seeing the way high school kids act, that is SCARY!!

[SF1900]

SF

I certainly understand why it can seem that way. First, memories of "the good old days" are usually colored with selective memory. An example.. "I wish we were back in the 50's when god was still allowed in school" reality.. maybe prayer was, but black students weren't allowed to be in white people schools, they couldn't eat in the same establishments, mortality rate among new borns was higher etc etc.. MY opinion based partly on 35 yrs personal experience and partly history (think of cops in Detroit, Selma attacking black protestors with dogs) is that policing has come along way towards professionalism and we have better police officers for the most part than we did 50 years ago or even 30 or 20 years ago. What has changed is population, crime, and the prevalence of video recording everywhere. It makes it seem like cops are out of control because almost everytime a cop does something wrong, it makes the news or at least youtube/getbig. But the 100's of thousands of positive contacts rarely if ever make it. We are left with the impression it's prolific when its a very small percent of cops and contacts.

We still have a ways to go because if a cop is answering "because I don't want to" then we clearly aren't where we want to be or strive to be. But I really think we are moving that way.

My question is this:

Why do cops ALWAYS have an excuse for everything? They must be absolutely perfect human beings. They always have an answer. It could never just be, "I don't know" or "I am wrong."  Its always some lame excuse or "reason."

[Slapper]

I think it is, you think it isnt.. now what?

Don't ask me, you should ask yourself if what you're saying is true or not before you grab it out of your ass. In my case, none of the encounters/exchanges were ever recorded, and in all cases were negative. All.

[Voice of Doom]

My question is this:

Why do cops ALWAYS have an excuse for everything? They must be absolutely perfect human beings. They always have an answer. It could never just be, "I don't know" or "I am wrong."  Its always some lame excuse or "reason."

Cops can't be wrong...not on the job in the publics face.  Their job is not to create an equal situation in dealing with the citizenry, it's to establish authority.  Authority, historically, can never admit wrong doing.  To do so undermines the status and privilege needed to maintain the illusion of control and obedience.  Historically, authority has derived its right to rule from divinity so to question the king, priest or cop was to question the divine itself and its absolutist position.  That's called heresy.  The church tries to reform this sinner and the government incarcerates the "law breaker".

There is only force in the world.  You can slap on any label or morality you want to...but its just the clothing of naked force.

[Agnostic007]

My question is this:

Why do cops ALWAYS have an excuse for everything? They must be absolutely perfect human beings. They always have an answer. It could never just be, "I don't know" or "I am wrong."  Its always some lame excuse or "reason."

Like what? First, your statement is obviously inaccurate. I think in the last 12 month there were just as many suspensions handed out to cops in my department alone.. This doesn't count the Written Reprimands etc. There are many times cops screw up.. many times they own it. I've sat on Discipline Review hearings where the cop admits they screwed up. So sorry.. I just disagree   

[Agnostic007]

Lets be honest here, you don't have to be too smart to be a cop. You need 60 college credits to be a cop. Basically, 2 years after high school. After seeing the way high school kids act, that is SCARY!!

I can't speak for all departments, buy you kinda have to be smart for this one. There are different levels of testing a candidate goes through in order to reach the academy. Having minimum college would have been 1 of the criteria. But yeah, there are some pretty low level thinking cops in some departments and there are some who teach at colleges part time. We have a few of those as well as several with Masters and Phd's. But you can paint any picture you like of cops,.. if it makes you feel superior 

[Donny]

I can't speak for all departments, buy you kinda have to be smart for this one. There are different levels of testing a candidate goes through in order to reach the academy. Having minimum college would have been 1 of the criteria. But yeah, there are some pretty low level thinking cops in some departments and there are some who teach at colleges part time. We have a few of those as well as several with Masters and Phd's. But you can paint any picture you like of cops,.. if it makes you feel superior 

The weapon training you receive is it universal or from county to county in the US. what are the standards?

[Agnostic007]

The weapon training you receive is it universal or from county to county in the US. what are the standards?

I'm under the impression it is from Department to Department. We have basic TCOLE requirements for Texas, but anything over that is up to the departments.