Who had the better physique - Shawn ray or Dexter jackson?

[Tarantula157]

Not sure about that, but who says Dorian would have returned in his 1997 shape?  Where did Ronnie place in 97 again?  Well back in 9th.  Dorian had more than enough room to win again if in good form.

Dorian is a smart guy.Don't underestimate his intelligence!He knew he stand no chance,otherwise he would have kept competing.

[Royalty]

The real reason Yates retired.....

He is human, and all the pro-level drugs took toll on his body. He got out before he did himself any more harm.
He probably already had some health issues by '97-'98.


Ronnie was at that point in '06-'07

[whitewidow]

They both looked insane but Dexter has won way more shows plus he has a sandow plus what 5 Arnold Classic titles? Dexter is the best bodybuikder ever-IMO

[Hulkster]

that tri shot of shawn is incredible but what the fuck is with those glasses lol

remind me of 70's shots of John Denver lol

[ESFitness]

even in 93/94/96 shawn never got "hard and grainy" he always seemed to have a 'glaze' over him.

conditioning wins shows and dex is hard and dry at 9/10 shows he does.. actually, I don't recall ever seeing dex not dry.

look at dex's delt. they're hard, crisp, and striated. shawns never were.

I'd say shawn does beat dex on quads however. but compare the deep etch in the tthigh/hamstring in all dex's side shots (side chest/tricep, etc...) shawn ever had that.

all that being said, to determine who's 'better', you'd have to compare pose for pose.... something I do't have time or patience to do at the moment. I will say that dex's front dbl bi pose is about as close to perfection as you'll ever find (2nd to flex wheeler in that pose, IMO)

[Primemuscle]

And why. They are both midgets , discuss!!!

Shawn Ray is definitely a midget. I saw him at a restaurant near where I live several years ago. I was surprised at how short and squat he was. He was there with quite the entourage though.

[Bevo]

Shawn Ray is definitely a midget. I saw him at a restaurant near where I live several years ago. I was surprised at how short and squat he was. He was there with quite the entourage though.

U probably saw kevin hart

[Primemuscle]

U probably saw kevin hart

Funny! It was definitely Shawn Ray. He's supposedly 5'8" but I find this difficult to believe. That would have made me only three inches taller then him. He seemed a lot shorter than that.

[Bevo]

Funny! It was definitely Shawn Ray. He's supposedly 5'8" but I find this difficult to believe. That would have made me only three inches taller then him. He seemed a lot shorter than that.

Shawns around 5'6

[booty]

Shawn is 5'7.

[Bevo]

Shawn is 5'7.

Maybe in shoes lol

So you've seen him as much as I have in his bbing days  

A koala bear is taller than shawn

[booty]

Maybe in shoes lol

So you've seen him as much as I have in his bbing days  

A koala bear is taller than shawn

No that's Lee the koala. Shawn is 5'7 without shoes. I am 5'4 and he's 3 Inches taller than me.

[andreisdaman]

I remember when Nasser, aka "the beautiful man with glasses", used to call Shawn "a chihuahua"...

[dyslexic]

Shawn Ray, Dexter Jackson, Flex Lewis, Lee Labrada, Lee Priest and Paul De Mayo...


Comparing them....


is a total waste of time.


Nobody's mind is gonna change.


Compare Dorian to Ronnie.... why again?

[Carlton G. Long]

isn't Lee Priest also a midget ?

[Mr.1derful]

Dorian is a smart guy.Don't underestimate his intelligence!He knew he stand no chance,otherwise he would have kept competing.

This Dorian would have smashed 98/99 Ronnie.  Dorian retired due to injury, and injury alone.  He had no reason to fear anyone in competition, after dominating in the manner he had.

[dyslexic]

isn't Lee Priest also a midget ?

Yes, but you gotta remember, us midgets gain muscle so much faster. Less area to fill (don't take that out of context) more Mesomorphic, muscle bellies usually meet the joint (don't take that out of context... puff, puff, give...)


Short guys can build a shitload of muscle. Just look at Flex Wheeler. That guy has to be pound for pound the biggest bodybuilder at that height.. in the world.

I believe he is.

Jose Raymond also has a ton of muscle, but he has to stay shredded for it to be displayed properly. He has a strange thing with muscle fullness and separation, but when he gets shredded, it's beyond belief.


It's almost like 10% makes him fat or something. Lack of fullness in his muscle bellies.


So, yeah... midgets... they get their GH prescribed...


All midgets seem to have an overly-muscular build... and big-ass mugs. Whatevah

[Carlton G. Long]

Yes, but you gotta remember, us midgets gain muscle so much faster. Less area to fill (don't take that out of context) more Mesomorphic, muscle bellies usually meet the joint (don't take that out of context... puff, puff, give...)


Short guys can build a shitload of muscle. Just look at Flex Wheeler. That guy has to be pound for pound the biggest bodybuilder at that height.. in the world.

I believe he is.

Jose Raymond also has a ton of muscle, but he has to stay shredded for it to be displayed properly. He has a strange thing with muscle fullness and separation, but when he gets shredded, it's beyond belief.


It's almost like 10% makes him fat or something. Lack of fullness in his muscle bellies.


So, yeah... midgets... they get their GH prescribed...


All midgets seem to have an overly-muscular build... and big-ass mugs. Whatevah

well said

good on ya

[Tarantula157]

This Dorian would have smashed 98/99 Ronnie.  Dorian retired due to injury, and injury alone.  He had no reason to fear anyone in competition, after dominating in the manner he had.

No.He would not have looked like that and would not have beaten 98/98 Ronnie.

[bigkubby]

No.He would not have looked like that and would not have beaten 98/98 Ronnie.

dorian didn't dominate the way Ronnie did he outsized everyone that stood next to him. Dorian yes but no so much plus he always looked 6mos preggo

[Bevo]

Yes, but you gotta remember, us midgets gain muscle so much faster. Less area to fill (don't take that out of context) more Mesomorphic, muscle bellies usually meet the joint (don't take that out of context... puff, puff, give...)


Short guys can build a shitload of muscle. Just look at Flex Wheeler. That guy has to be pound for pound the biggest bodybuilder at that height.. in the world.

I believe he is.

Jose Raymond also has a ton of muscle, but he has to stay shredded for it to be displayed properly. He has a strange thing with muscle fullness and separation, but when he gets shredded, it's beyond belief.


It's almost like 10% makes him fat or something. Lack of fullness in his muscle bellies.


So, yeah... midgets... they get their GH prescribed...


All midgets seem to have an overly-muscular build... and big-ass mugs. Whatevah

I wouldn't consider flex wheeler a midget unless u are 6'5 plus

He's 5'10/5'11

[Iceman1981]

This Dorian would have smashed 98/99 Ronnie. 

Not with those arms.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Not with those arms.

He kicked Ronnie's ass for years on end with those arms. Ronnie 98 is Ronnie 97 dry & hard sprinkled with bitch-tits , and we all know Dorian wrote the book on dry & hard , The only difference between 97 & 98 is conditioning. He's not bigger , he's not more balanced , he didn't bring up any weak points , he's the same just in shape. Ronnie 97 was 9th against a career worst Dorian , you think with improved conditioning he's gonna beat a career best Dorian? NOT going to happen.

Everyone supposedly had better arms them him and he still beat them.

[Wiggs]

This Dorian would have smashed 98/99 Ronnie.  Dorian retired due to injury, and injury alone.  He had no reason to fear anyone in competition, after dominating in the manner he had.

Funny...
Two years later also at a Grand Prix show, here comes Ronnie, smaller waist, flatter abs, better arms, better chest, and most importantly, a back that can complete with Dorian's. Ronnie owns the back double bicep pose. His is the all time best in his prime.  Dorian doesn't have the bicep peaks to pull the pose off better and his arms are at least an inch or two smaller that Coleman's. While Dorian is in better condition, Coleman has more detailed with a smaller waist and better proportion.  Guys like to go off on different arguments about this saying he barely beat Flex.  All these arguments have nothing to do with what we're talking about. Throwing Dorian in there being a 6 time Mr. O would have changed the dynamic of the show. Flex more than likely would have been a clear 3rd.  The focus would have been on Coleman and his ginormous improvements and riding the wave of his Night of Champions win. Dorian peaked in 93. In some form or another he got progressively worse each year with 97 looking his worse. His waist was wide he wasn't as sharp as previous years and his arms looked like twigs on an huge back. We saw the best of Dorian 4 years previous.  Coleman's 98 was his prime. He would have absolutely embarrassed Dorian.  Flex and Ronnie compared better back then when Ronnie was smaller. That wasn't the first time Ronnie had beaten Flex. Ronnie did what Flex couldn't put more mass on and come in condition.  Flex had the prettier frame but Coleman had the better constitution, will, ability to put on size and get shredded where Flex couldn't (hams and glutes). They compared alot better when Ronnie was smaller.  Ronnie and Dorian is a different animal. Ronnie in 98 makes Dorian look really bad and he doesn't even have to match his conditioning to do it. He came in his best condition which was really dry and had everything Dorian didn't have. Ronnie would have won in 98. Like styles make fights in boxing it's the same way in bodybuilding.  Just because A beats B and B beats C doesn't mean A beats C.  98 Ronnie makes 97,96,95,94 Dorian look like Dave Palumbo. 98 Ronnie is too good even with gyno.

[Grape Ape]

Dorian peaked in 93. In some form or another he got progressively worse each year with 97 looking his worse.

This is incorrect.  He did not get progressively worse, as his 95 was much better than 94.