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Re: White cop guns down black man on video. Charged with murder! Live on CNN
« Reply #325 on: April 09, 2015, 08:57:27 AM »
Couldn't agree more. And hopefully looked at by people without an axe to grind either way

Unfortunately, people always think on emotion over reason. Those who hate cops will now claim that every shooting involving a cop is an example of police brutality. While people who defend cops on every case will continue to do so regardless of the increasing examples clearly showing cops behaving in a totally unacceptable manner (such as this one).

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Re: White cop guns down black man on video. Charged with murder! Live on CNN
« Reply #326 on: April 09, 2015, 08:58:16 AM »
The question I have:

If the incident was not caught on camera, do you think the police officer would have lied or told the truth?  :-\ :D

Lied no doubt. Telling the truth would be admitting to murder.

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« Reply #327 on: April 09, 2015, 09:00:49 AM »
I really can't see it saving the cop... I can't imagine anything he could say that would make that any more understandable.

Yeah, the cop is going to prison for a long time. The only question is: for how long?

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« Reply #328 on: April 09, 2015, 09:03:10 AM »
Lied no doubt. Telling the truth would be admitting to murder.

Thats the issue right there. I agree that 99.9% of cops would have lied to avoid a murder charge. I cannot imagine any cop admitting he shot a guy 5 times in the back as he ran away.
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« Reply #329 on: April 09, 2015, 09:06:42 AM »
I just saw on CNN that a "Dash Cam" video will be released soon. Apparently the shooting isn't not visible... but we will see some additional footage soon

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« Reply #330 on: April 09, 2015, 10:51:26 AM »
Thats the issue right there. I agree that 99.9% of cops would have lied to avoid a murder charge. I cannot imagine any cop admitting he shot a guy 5 times in the back as he ran away.
Real case.. local cop-


Police have said that Kleinert was investigating a robbery at the Benchmark Bank on West 35th Street in Central Austin on July 26 when Jackson tried to open the bank’s locked door around 4 p.m.

Jackson, who was not suspected in the robbery, walked away but returned a minute later and tried to open the door again, drawing the attention of a bank manager. After speaking to Jackson, police have said the manager told Kleinert that Jackson had attempted to use the name of a bank customer employees knew wasn’t Jackson. Sources have told the American-Statesman that Jackson had the identification of at least one person that didn’t belong to him, and police have said that Jackson had possibly gone there to pass a forged check.

Kleinert then tried to question Jackson, who fled. Kleinert chased after Jackson and got a ride from a passing driver in his effort to find him. Kleinert and Jackson then got into a struggle under a nearby bridge, where Jackson was fatally shot in the back of the neck.

No weapon was found on Jackson.

Sources have told the Statesman that Kleinert told internal affairs investigators that he unintentionally fired the shot that killed Jackson. His weapon was drawn as part of his effort to subdue Jackson, according to sources, and Kleinert said a single round accidentally went off when he lost his balance and fell over.


--- No witnesses, just the Detective and the subject who is now dead. This cop could have said the subject went for his gun, a struggle insued, during the course of the struggle subject was on top of the officer, officer feared he was going to lose control of the weapon and shot suspect.... but he didn't. He is being indicted on manslaughter charges.. but he didn't lie. 

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Re: White cop guns down black man on video. Charged with murder! Live on CNN
« Reply #331 on: April 09, 2015, 10:53:44 AM »
Real case.. local cop-


Police have said that Kleinert was investigating a robbery at the Benchmark Bank on West 35th Street in Central Austin on July 26 when Jackson tried to open the bank’s locked door around 4 p.m.

Jackson, who was not suspected in the robbery, walked away but returned a minute later and tried to open the door again, drawing the attention of a bank manager. After speaking to Jackson, police have said the manager told Kleinert that Jackson had attempted to use the name of a bank customer employees knew wasn’t Jackson. Sources have told the American-Statesman that Jackson had the identification of at least one person that didn’t belong to him, and police have said that Jackson had possibly gone there to pass a forged check.

Kleinert then tried to question Jackson, who fled. Kleinert chased after Jackson and got a ride from a passing driver in his effort to find him. Kleinert and Jackson then got into a struggle under a nearby bridge, where Jackson was fatally shot in the back of the neck.

No weapon was found on Jackson.

Sources have told the Statesman that Kleinert told internal affairs investigators that he unintentionally fired the shot that killed Jackson. His weapon was drawn as part of his effort to subdue Jackson, according to sources, and Kleinert said a single round accidentally went off when he lost his balance and fell over.


--- No witnesses, just the Detective and the subject who is now dead. This cop could have said the subject went for his gun, a struggle insued, during the course of the struggle subject was on top of the officer, officer feared he was going to lose control of the weapon and shot suspect.... but he didn't. He is being indicted on manslaughter charges.. but he didn't lie. 

You often say, "A few bad cops does not mean that all or most cops are bad."

So, I will say, "A few honest cops does not mean that all or most cops are honest."

Works both ways.
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Re: White cop guns down black man on video. Charged with murder! Live on CNN
« Reply #332 on: April 09, 2015, 10:58:25 AM »
Don't create doubt where there isn't any.

Pig fucked up so bad his own department chief said he fucked up.

No he is wrong here it's pretty cut and dry. I'm just speaking in generalities

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« Reply #333 on: April 09, 2015, 10:59:38 AM »
Yeah, the cop is going to prison for a long time. The only question is: for how long?

Was just talking about this earlier with a couple friends. For me.. if it was possible to establish Slagel shot this man knowing full well he was wrong in doing so while firing, then lied to minimize what happened, I have no problem with the maximum possible sentence. He should be held to a higher standard than the average citizen and punished that much harder because he is a cop.

If it were established (not even sure it's possible) that psychologically he was in a mental state where he was experiencing tunnel vision and diminished capacity to make a judgement AND he was truthful about what happened to the best of his ability (high stress/adrenaline can affect recall) then I could see going easier than maximum. Second scenario is probably not as likely as the first but still waiting for all the information to come out.   

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« Reply #334 on: April 09, 2015, 11:03:08 AM »
The question I have:

If the incident was not caught on camera, do you think the police officer would have lied or told the truth?  :-\ :D

At what point did he find out it had been recorded?

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« Reply #335 on: April 09, 2015, 11:05:27 AM »
sorry, got to call you out once again on the "fucked with evidence to shift blame" you lose credibility when you say  that for all the reasons I outlined before. Don't be so obvious in your bias mister. 

I've watched the video a lot - my theory, and only my theory...

shooter picked up taser and tossed next to body.
Cop #2 points out someone is filming (cop 1 has tunnel vision, while cop 2 walks up and sees perimeter)
Cop 1 decides to pick taser back up and put back in its holster.

But there is nothing to explain tossing ANYTHING next to a dead body.  That's a crime scene now. 

They FIRED his ass... how often do departments do that?
They brought in the FBI on his ass... how often do departments do that.
His own lawyer publicly dissed him... that never happens. 


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« Reply #336 on: April 09, 2015, 11:15:27 AM »
THEY'RE RUNNING AWAY


found it on the net...Not my work ;)

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« Reply #337 on: April 09, 2015, 11:19:16 AM »
The question I have:

If the incident was not caught on camera, do you think the police officer would have lied or told the truth?  :-\ :D

The Hebrew would have went missing and probably never would have been found...Cop saw the guy videotaping him and threw a wrench in his spokes...When the mayor of NYC cleaned up the city by getting rid of bums and shit many years ago, some believe half to 3/4 of all the bums went missing for good. Never to be found again...

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« Reply #338 on: April 09, 2015, 11:19:48 AM »
Let's make bacon stripes out of this piggy

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« Reply #339 on: April 09, 2015, 11:25:54 AM »
At what point did he find out it had been recorded?

Cant answer that.
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« Reply #340 on: April 09, 2015, 11:27:14 AM »
The Hebrew would have went missing and probably never would have been found...Cop saw the guy videotaping him and threw a wrench in his spokes...When the mayor of NYC cleaned up the city by getting rid of bums and shit many years ago, some believe half to 3/4 of all the bums went missing for good. Never to be found again...

I believe you mean Mayor Guiliani. Where did you hear this from?
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« Reply #341 on: April 09, 2015, 11:29:01 AM »

I bet that Pig wasn't feeling DEM DuB RIMZ!




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« Reply #342 on: April 09, 2015, 11:30:56 AM »
I believe you mean Mayor Guiliani. Where did you hear this from?

he obviously made that up...I've been living in NY all my life and never heard of this.....Guiliani did rid the streets of beggars but the disappearance part sounds like sci-fi

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« Reply #343 on: April 09, 2015, 11:42:25 AM »
This Cop is going to have to grow eyes on the back of his head in prison.  Being a former Cop in prison is bad enough, but being a former Cop who shot and killed an unarmed black man in a high profile case is going to be living hell for this guy.

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« Reply #344 on: April 09, 2015, 11:43:36 AM »
This Cop is going to have to grow eyes on the back of his head in prison.  Being a former Cop in prison is bad enough, but being a former Cop who shot and killed an unarmed black man in a high profile case is going to be living hell for this guy.

I already asked this and was told he will be in protective custody.
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« Reply #345 on: April 09, 2015, 11:52:23 AM »
You often say, "A few bad cops does not mean that all or most cops are bad."

So, I will say, "A few honest cops does not mean that all or most cops are honest."

Works both ways.

Except mine makes more sense  :)

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« Reply #346 on: April 09, 2015, 11:55:22 AM »
I've watched the video a lot - my theory, and only my theory...

shooter picked up taser and tossed next to body.
Cop #2 points out someone is filming (cop 1 has tunnel vision, while cop 2 walks up and sees perimeter)
Cop 1 decides to pick taser back up and put back in its holster.

But there is nothing to explain tossing ANYTHING next to a dead body.  That's a crime scene now. 

They FIRED his ass... how often do departments do that?
They brought in the FBI on his ass... how often do departments do that.
His own lawyer publicly dissed him... that never happens. 



Except that.. isnt there video that is going to be released later? Can I assume it is dash cam? Should I assume if it is, the officer would already KNOW the video will show him picking up the taser? We are "Ifing" lke MF's here..  ;)

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« Reply #347 on: April 09, 2015, 12:03:52 PM »
Yeah, the cop is going to prison for a long time. The only question is: for how long?

I can't see him going for anything but one of the degrees of murder. If I were him, I'd try to whittle it down to 2nd degree murder with a sentence recommendation, and count myself lucky if I could get that.

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« Reply #348 on: April 09, 2015, 12:08:30 PM »
Lots of cities used one-way bus tickets as a means to get rid of people.  But C.A.s in places that were common destinations started to catch on and sue the cities of origin.

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Re: White cop guns down black man on video. Charged with murder! Live on CNN
« Reply #349 on: April 09, 2015, 12:50:43 PM »
The question I have:

If the incident was not caught on camera, do you think the police officer would have lied or told the truth?  :-\ :D













That is a very Good Question.

Sadly Chances are he would of lied,
And That is What is at The Root of The Cop Problem.
The Honesty is Disappearing.
He would of lied & Likely His Partner Too.

Thankfully it Was Caught on Camera.