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Re: White cop guns down black man on video. Charged with murder! Live on CNN
« Reply #301 on: April 08, 2015, 09:40:40 PM »
I heard the guy who did the filming talking on CNN awhile ago. Apparently there was a struggle prior to filming, officer had Scott on the ground at one point. Apparently Scott managed to break away, cop tried tasing him, didn't work out.. It seemed Scott was gassed when he was "running", cop didn't seem out of shape, or to be obviously out of shape.. in mid to large cities this scene plays out on almost any given day.. a cop with some experience should know about where his back up is coming from, how far away they are and... there were  options most officers would do.

1. Chase him down again. Reengage. But..since he failed to control him the first time and his taser is not with him any longer..probably not the best option

2. Follow on foot behind until another unit arrives,(or he gasses and gives up) keeping him in sight.

3. (my favorite) Get back in your car.. follow him till he gives up.. (happens when gassed) or he leaves the roadway area out of your sight, then exit vehicle and continue on foot. If he remains parallel to the roadway (fence) follow until unit arrives.

Drawing my weapon and firing 8 shots while he is fleeing is just not something on the radar. Wouldn't even cross my mind where I would have to nix the idea.. which is why this seems so messed up to me

 

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Re: White cop guns down black man on video. Charged with murder! Live on CNN
« Reply #302 on: April 08, 2015, 10:01:57 PM »
on point

Funny I was just having this argument with a guy about a guy in Texas caught a man rapping his 5 year old daughter and he beat him to death.  He tried to say he was wrong and took the law into his own hands. I argued that self defense is with in the law and he was not charged.

When it comes to cops self defense is one thing. This isn't judge dred. Cops can sentence you to death that's the job of the courts. They just enforce the law and bring you to the legal system for punishment if need be. But self defense can me a murky area. Laws differ from state to state

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Re: White cop guns down black man on video. Charged with murder! Live on CNN
« Reply #303 on: April 09, 2015, 12:55:12 AM »
The whole department has a long history of this kind of behavior: http://www.salon.com/2015/04/08/it_wasnt_just_walter_scott_the_north_charleston_police_department_has_a_shocking_record_of_abuse_allegations/

It just took indisputable video evidence for the country to take notice.

you know what the word allegation means i take it
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Re: White cop guns down black man on video. Charged with murder! Live on CNN
« Reply #304 on: April 09, 2015, 03:13:06 AM »
Just what Obama and minions want - they must be delighted.
Only thing I find rather infuriating is that this incident will be used as a further excuse for more black on white violence.
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Re: White cop guns down black man on video. Charged with murder! Live on CNN
« Reply #305 on: April 09, 2015, 03:36:56 AM »

Only thing I find rather infuriating is that this incident will be used as a further excuse for more black on white violence.
Leave the US while you can.

YEP.  As if it wasn't out of control BEFORE these incidents.  But of course our intrepid reporters aren't covering THAT.
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Re: White cop guns down black man on video. Charged with murder! Live on CNN
« Reply #306 on: April 09, 2015, 04:19:20 AM »
Funny I was just having this argument with a guy about a guy in Texas caught a man rapping his 5 year old daughter and he beat him to death.  He tried to say he was wrong and took the law into his own hands. I argued that self defense is with in the law and he was not charged.

When it comes to cops self defense is one thing. This isn't judge dred. Cops can sentence you to death that's the job of the courts. They just enforce the law and bring you to the legal system for punishment if need be. But self defense can me a murky area. Laws differ from state to state

Don't create doubt where there isn't any.

Pig fucked up so bad his own department chief said he fucked up.

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Re: White cop guns down black man on video. Charged with murder! Live on CNN
« Reply #307 on: April 09, 2015, 04:37:45 AM »
At first sigh, all these pig over-reactions seem like isolated events, but no sooner do you scratch the surface, institutionalized racism rears its ugly head. Black folks have had to deal with this, silently, for many years. Too many years if you ask me.

See, to put it in historical context, the US had a defacto apartheid system in place until recently. Blacks weren't allowed to go to many places, and in fact were systematically forced into urban areas by exclusionary practices (sundown towns, verbal town mandates, et cetera). The only way for whites to be able to enforce these unwritten laws/rules was to ask the police to keep an eye on the African American population. Little by little, these completely whites-only police forces developed a nasty hostile stance towards black folks, and whites were perfectly fine with it.

In comes the internet and the ability of news to travel real time. All of a sudden Americans see themselves being criticized in RT, Aljazeera, BBC, et cetera; and seeing videos of rampant racist situations and realizing US media aren't showing them these images. Until now. All of a sudden we see pigs doing what they've done all their lives and we get white-boy mad.

The very society that fostered that kind of behavior just a generation ago, is suddently giving up on their police officer's nasty hostility. And it's happening so fast some racist pricks (including getbiggers) have been unable to adjust to the new normal.

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Re: White cop guns down black man on video. Charged with murder! Live on CNN
« Reply #308 on: April 09, 2015, 04:51:08 AM »
I heard the guy who did the filming talking on CNN awhile ago. Apparently there was a struggle prior to filming, officer had Scott on the ground at one point. Apparently Scott managed to break away, cop tried tasing him, didn't work out.. It seemed Scott was gassed when he was "running", cop didn't seem out of shape, or to be obviously out of shape.. in mid to large cities this scene plays out on almost any given day.. a cop with some experience should know about where his back up is coming from, how far away they are and... there were  options most officers would do.

1. Chase him down again. Reengage. But..since he failed to control him the first time and his taser is not with him any longer..probably not the best option

2. Follow on foot behind until another unit arrives,(or he gasses and gives up) keeping him in sight.

3. (my favorite) Get back in your car.. follow him till he gives up.. (happens when gassed) or he leaves the roadway area out of your sight, then exit vehicle and continue on foot. If he remains parallel to the roadway (fence) follow until unit arrives.

Drawing my weapon and firing 8 shots while he is fleeing is just not something on the radar. Wouldn't even cross my mind where I would have to nix the idea.. which is why this seems so messed up to me

  

His testimony will either save or condemn the cop.

The dude that recorded the event seemed to be very level headed and well spoken. Calm. Very fair minded.


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« Reply #309 on: April 09, 2015, 05:34:28 AM »
Just what Obama and minions want - they must be delighted.
Only thing I find rather infuriating is that this incident will be used as a further excuse for more black on white violence.
Leave the US while you can.

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Re: White cop guns down black man on video. Charged with murder! Live on CNN
« Reply #310 on: April 09, 2015, 06:18:04 AM »
It's not like he was gonna write Narrative of the Life of Fredrick Douglass.

neither will the cop

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Re: White cop guns down black man on video. Charged with murder! Live on CNN
« Reply #311 on: April 09, 2015, 06:20:48 AM »
I heard the guy who did the filming talking on CNN awhile ago. Apparently there was a struggle prior to filming, officer had Scott on the ground at one point. Apparently Scott managed to break away, cop tried tasing him, didn't work out.. It seemed Scott was gassed when he was "running", cop didn't seem out of shape, or to be obviously out of shape.. in mid to large cities this scene plays out on almost any given day.. a cop with some experience should know about where his back up is coming from, how far away they are and... there were  options most officers would do.

1. Chase him down again. Reengage. But..since he failed to control him the first time and his taser is not with him any longer..probably not the best option

2. Follow on foot behind until another unit arrives,(or he gasses and gives up) keeping him in sight.

3. (my favorite) Get back in your car.. follow him till he gives up.. (happens when gassed) or he leaves the roadway area out of your sight, then exit vehicle and continue on foot. If he remains parallel to the roadway (fence) follow until unit arrives.

Drawing my weapon and firing 8 shots while he is fleeing is just not something on the radar. Wouldn't even cross my mind where I would have to nix the idea.. which is why this seems so messed up to me

 

excellent post......and this was my problem with the Michael Brown shooting as well...why do cops let minor situations escalate to this???....like you said, the guy is 50 years old..HE CANT OUTRUN YOU....just follow him and wait for back up.....

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« Reply #312 on: April 09, 2015, 06:22:22 AM »
Just what Obama and minions want - they must be delighted.
Only thing I find rather infuriating is that this incident will be used as a further excuse for more black on white violence.
Leave the US while you can.

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Re: White cop guns down black man on video. Charged with murder! Live on CNN
« Reply #313 on: April 09, 2015, 06:23:57 AM »
At first sigh, all these pig over-reactions seem like isolated events, but no sooner do you scratch the surface, institutionalized racism rears its ugly head. Black folks have had to deal with this, silently, for many years. Too many years if you ask me.

See, to put it in historical context, the US had a defacto apartheid system in place until recently. Blacks weren't allowed to go to many places, and in fact were systematically forced into urban areas by exclusionary practices (sundown towns, verbal town mandates, et cetera). The only way for whites to be able to enforce these unwritten laws/rules was to ask the police to keep an eye on the African American population. Little by little, these completely whites-only police forces developed a nasty hostile stance towards black folks, and whites were perfectly fine with it.

In comes the internet and the ability of news to travel real time. All of a sudden Americans see themselves being criticized in RT, Aljazeera, BBC, et cetera; and seeing videos of rampant racist situations and realizing US media aren't showing them these images. Until now. All of a sudden we see pigs doing what they've done all their lives and we get white-boy mad.

The very society that fostered that kind of behavior just a generation ago, is suddently giving up on their police officer's nasty hostility. And it's happening so fast some racist pricks (including getbiggers) have been unable to adjust to the new normal.
Good post.....dead on

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Re: White cop guns down black man on video. Charged with murder! Live on CNN
« Reply #314 on: April 09, 2015, 07:30:50 AM »
At first sigh, all these pig over-reactions seem like isolated events, but no sooner do you scratch the surface, institutionalized racism rears its ugly head. Black folks have had to deal with this, silently, for many years. Too many years if you ask me.

See, to put it in historical context, the US had a defacto apartheid system in place until recently. Blacks weren't allowed to go to many places, and in fact were systematically forced into urban areas by exclusionary practices (sundown towns, verbal town mandates, et cetera). The only way for whites to be able to enforce these unwritten laws/rules was to ask the police to keep an eye on the African American population. Little by little, these completely whites-only police forces developed a nasty hostile stance towards black folks, and whites were perfectly fine with it.

In comes the internet and the ability of news to travel real time. All of a sudden Americans see themselves being criticized in RT, Aljazeera, BBC, et cetera; and seeing videos of rampant racist situations and realizing US media aren't showing them these images. Until now. All of a sudden we see pigs doing what they've done all their lives and we get white-boy mad.

The very society that fostered that kind of behavior just a generation ago, is suddently giving up on their police officer's nasty hostility. And it's happening so fast some racist pricks (including getbiggers) have been unable to adjust to the new normal.

Interesting post.  But what about all the black on white crime that almost NEVER GETS COVERED?  And certainly never gets covered outside the US (unlike these cop shootings).  Seems there is a big problem here and maybe it is not the one we think.
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Re: White cop guns down black man on video. Charged with murder! Live on CNN
« Reply #315 on: April 09, 2015, 07:48:21 AM »
We all have to resist punching someone in the face daily, right?

Finally someone just comes out and says it.  Amen.


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« Reply #316 on: April 09, 2015, 08:01:09 AM »
you know what the word allegation means i take it

the nature of the business itself makes claims of abuse and lawsuits common place. I wish the article would have compared the number of complaints with a similar city of that size and demographics to illustrate any disparity. 

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« Reply #317 on: April 09, 2015, 08:03:19 AM »
His testimony will either save or condemn the cop.

The dude that recorded the event seemed to be very level headed and well spoken. Calm. Very fair minded.



 I really can't see it saving the cop... I can't imagine anything he could say that would make that any more understandable.

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« Reply #318 on: April 09, 2015, 08:05:16 AM »
excellent post......and this was my problem with the Michael Brown shooting as well...why do cops let minor situations escalate to this???....like you said, the guy is 50 years old..HE CANT OUTRUN YOU....just follow him and wait for back up.....

I think the Michael Brown incident was different. That was pretty much in the hands of Michael Brown how it played out. Had Michael continued to run and was shot in the back, then I would say they were similar

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Re: White cop guns down black man on video. Charged with murder! Live on CNN
« Reply #319 on: April 09, 2015, 08:16:26 AM »
Just what Obama and minions want - they must be delighted.
Only thing I find rather infuriating is that this incident will be used as a further excuse for more black on white violence.
Leave the US while you can.

My local news has the story of course.  The facebook comments aar 95% against the cop.

The 5% that support the cop are making comments like "shouldn't have ran" and "we didn't see the rest of the tape, what happened first".   I clicked on their pages out of curiosity, and 100% of the time, they have some anti-obama stuff on their timeline, every single time.

I think there's some correlation between "supporting police" and "hating obama", which is odd, as they're both authority figures.  Maybe it comes down to skin color, I dunno, but in this case, race seems very small.  Cop is a hateful prick that gunned down a dude in broad daylight and fucked with evidence to shift blame.  not much to say.

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Re: White cop guns down black man on video. Charged with murder! Live on CNN
« Reply #320 on: April 09, 2015, 08:23:09 AM »
Interesting post.  But what about all the black on white crime that almost NEVER GETS COVERED?  And certainly never gets covered outside the US (unlike these cop shootings).  Seems there is a big problem here and maybe it is not the one we think.

yes but the difference is, all of those guys wind up in jail and they are not contested...everyone pretty much knows they are guilty

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« Reply #321 on: April 09, 2015, 08:36:42 AM »
My local news has the story of course.  The facebook comments aar 95% against the cop.

The 5% that support the cop are making comments like "shouldn't have ran" and "we didn't see the rest of the tape, what happened first".   I clicked on their pages out of curiosity, and 100% of the time, they have some anti-obama stuff on their timeline, every single time.

I think there's some correlation between "supporting police" and "hating obama", which is odd, as they're both authority figures.  Maybe it comes down to skin color, I dunno, but in this case, race seems very small.  Cop is a hateful prick that gunned down a dude in broad daylight and fucked with evidence to shift blame.  not much to say.

sorry, got to call you out once again on the "fucked with evidence to shift blame" you lose credibility when you say  that for all the reasons I outlined before. Don't be so obvious in your bias mister. 

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« Reply #322 on: April 09, 2015, 08:41:29 AM »
Each case needs to looked at individually. There are some cases in which the police are often justified in their shootings and others in which they aren't. This seems to fall in the latter category.

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« Reply #323 on: April 09, 2015, 08:44:09 AM »
Each case needs to looked at individually. There are some cases in which the police are often justified in their shootings and others in which they aren't. This seems to fall in the latter category.

Couldn't agree more. And hopefully looked at by people without an axe to grind either way

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Re: White cop guns down black man on video. Charged with murder! Live on CNN
« Reply #324 on: April 09, 2015, 08:56:04 AM »
The question I have:

If the incident was not caught on camera, do you think the police officer would have lied or told the truth?  :-\ :D
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