To all the Liberals...

[Cableguy]

That religious nut bullshit is a dealbreaker for me as far as Cruz is concerned. And he has a real "I need a punch in the face" mug to boot.

[Coach is Back!]

That religious nut bullshit is a dealbreaker for me as far as Cruz is concerned. And he has a real "I need a punch in the face" mug to boot.

 

[240 is Back]

It wasn't a conservative-only conspiracy hatched out of nowhere after Bush got elected to go into Iraq to boost Halliburton's stock price and take the oil (which we should have done anyway).

http://usiraq.procon.org/view.additional-resource.php?resourceID=001987

I didn't say it was.
I am just saying that 100% of the people on that list didn't want war - Some demanded inspections, and when the inspections showed zero WMD, they didn't support war.

I see these quotes used all the time on getbig political board.   A quote from 1998, from a person who was retired in 2000, demanding WMD inspections, does NOT equal an endorsement for war in March 2003.  It just doesn't.   It's beyond stupid to include those.  Once the inspections showed zero WMD, well, fuck it, we invaded anyway.  USA, baby!

[The Ugly]

That religious nut bullshit is a dealbreaker for me as far as Cruz is concerned. And he has a real "I need a punch in the face" mug to boot.

Considering the alternatives, I ain't gonna let it kill the deal. Sure wish he was just bluffing about all the prayer nonsense, though.

[hardgainerj]

Considering the alternatives, I ain't gonna let it kill the deal. Sure wish he was just bluffing about all the prayer nonsense, though.

doubt it

[The Ugly]

doubt it

Agreed.

[Thong Maniac]

Considering the alternatives, I ain't gonna let it kill the deal. Sure wish he was just bluffing about all the prayer nonsense, though.

I dunno man,
I cant vote for a guy who is that looney based on principle. That kind of shit needs to stop being rewarded as its dangerous when it impacts policy and decision making. Granted he is probably hamming it up a notch for the bible belt vote, but its embarrasing to see a potential leader of the free world talk like that

[andreisdaman]

you still haven't said if Cruz is qualified for president due to his being born in Canada...you said Obama wasn't even though he was born in Hawaii .....I think the question short-circuited your brain due to your birther leanings

[240 is Back]

you still haven't said if Cruz is qualified for president due to his being born in Canada...you said Obama wasn't even though he was born in Hawaii .....I think the question short-circuited your brain due to your birther leanings

cruz' paperwork is in order.  he was a dual citizen, but he canceled out that CAN part of it 1-2 years ago.

both parents were american.  He's legit, but yes, I invite his paperwork for scrutiny.

Obama's papers, dude you have to admit, they're fishy.  That document didn't age, had photoshop layers... it was just odd all arouond.  The other birth certs printed before and after his were completely different.  There are question marks there.

[andreisdaman]

cruz' paperwork is in order.  he was a dual citizen, but he canceled out that CAN part of it 1-2 years ago.

both parents were american.  He's legit, but yes, I invite his paperwork for scrutiny.

Obama's papers, dude you have to admit, they're fishy.  That document didn't age, had photoshop layers... it was just odd all arouond.  The other birth certs printed before and after his were completely different.  There are question marks there.

Cruz's father wasn't American when Cruz was born..he was Cuban...got his citizenship papers many years later

[Thong Maniac]

Cruz's father wasn't American when Cruz was born..he was Cuban...got his citizenship papers many years later

Maybe im off base here, but it seems semi-archaic that you must be american blooded, because as the country grows and travel is more frequent and jobs take people over seas and the ability to migrate is easier than ever...less and less people are "totally" american. As long as u are citiZen, I see that making more sense. But i dunno, im just some dude with an opinion.

 

[Voice of Doom]

But which is the State's essential function, aggression or defense, few seem to know or care. - Benjamin Tucker

[The Ugly]

I dunno man,
I cant vote for a guy who is that looney based on principle. That kind of shit needs to stop being rewarded as its dangerous when it impacts policy and decision making. Granted he is probably hamming it up a notch for the bible belt vote, but its embarrasing to see a potential leader of the free world talk like that

I agree, but when you consider not a single avowed agnostic/atheist has ever even considered admitting such running for high office, your options are limited. Clearly the least likely minority group to ever occupy the White House any time soon. Embarrassing, sad, and downright pathetic, but unfortunately true.

[The Scott]

In truth I would easily trust an honest Atheist to run our country.  Fairness and compassion are not the exclusive property of any so-called religion and in fact are sorely missing from many practitioners and especially so Islam.  As such I would never trust a Muslim to take charge.  Never.  Churchill didn't put much stock in their relgion.

Libtards seem to put the hopes on the charity of man and when that fails them, fall back on taxation with representation and if that is not sufficient they simply call their devious acts "fees".

So what are we to do?  The Colonial colony of Plymouth once tried living as Free Range Hippys i.e., communal living.  The result?

No one worked and people starved.  Once you were allowed to reap what you sowed and barter amongst other like minded folk, prosperity returned.    Plymouth folk doubtless claimed the faith of Christ but failed to live it when confronted with the promise of plenty for all if all shared in the work. 

Libtards want to rape what the working people sew.  Yes, I meant "rape", not "reap".  So then, again there is no harm in an honest man having no faith in any deity so long as he serves the people well instead of serving them notice, if you get my meaning.

[The Ugly]

In truth I would easily trust an honest Atheist to run our country.  Fairness and compassion are not the exclusive property of any so-called religion and in fact are sorely missing from many practitioners and especially so Islam.  As such I would never trust a Muslim to take charge.  Never.  Churchill didn't put much stock in their relgion.

Libtards seem to put the hopes on the charity of man and when that fails them, fall back on taxation with representation and if that is not sufficient they simply call their devious acts "fees".

So what are we to do?  The Colonial colony of Plymouth once tried living as Free Range Hippys i.e., communal living.  The result?

No one worked and people starved.  Once you were allowed to reap what you sowed and barter amongst other like minded folk, prosperity returned.    Plymouth folk doubtless claimed the faith of Christ but failed to live it when confronted with the promise of plenty for all if all shared in the work.  

Libtards want to rape what the working people sew.  Yes, I meant "rape", not "reap".  So then, again there is no harm in an honest man having no faith in any deity so long as he serves the people well instead of serving them notice, if you get my meaning.

I've just reached a breaking point with my formerly beloved Conservatives digging deep into the bible for moral clarity, when this often entails retarded OT nonsense. And I can't help but feel anymore it is often done simply to justify long held, simple-minded prejudice.

They'll dig up an anti-gay verse or two, or conveniently interpret some 'sanctity of life' or 'not playing God' horseshit in order to oppose abortion or Death with Dignity legislation (voluntary euthanasia, btw, as opposed to state-sponsored execution), and even life-saving stem cell research. Inexcusable ignorance for this century at way too steep a cost.

Meanwhile, they're all adamantly opposed to slavery and other horrid practices, like they're no-brainers (which they obviously are), yet they can easily find TONS of biblical support for such practices.

And I support the death penalty, but I'm in no way pretending to use Scripture as justification. I just believe society is better served with some monsters erased from existence. Sue me.

[The Scott]

I've just reached a breaking point with my formerly beloved Conservatives reaching deep into the bible for moral clarity, when this often entails retarded OT nonsense.

They'll dig up an anti-gay verse or two, or conveniently interpret some 'sanctity of life' or 'not playing God' horseshit in order to oppose abortion or Death with Dignity legislation (voluntary euthanasia, btw, as opposed to state-sponsored execution), and even life-saving stem cell research. Inexcusable ignorance for this century at way too steep a cost.

Meanwhile, they're all adamantly opposed to slavery and other horrid practices, like they're no-brainers (which they obviously are), yet they can easily find TONS of biblical support for such practices.

I agree.  There is much in Christendom that I fear the Christ would disapprove of.  Including my poor faith in Him.   

Now then, just because we are men and therefor we often fail at something does not mean we should continue to fail.  To win the battle for decency for all, if you will, we must first win the hearts and minds of our fellow man. 

Faith, justice, fairness and the like are for all only if they work for all.  I have often said that I will not force another to wear the same (or any) shoes as I do. But in a like manner neither should I (or others) be made to wear another's choice of shoe.

Or pay for them.

I digress, I know. 

Be well.

[The Ugly]

I agree.  There is much in Christendom that I fear the Christ would disapprove of.  Including my poor faith in Him.   

Now then, just because we are men and therefor we often fail at something does not mean we should continue to fail.  To win the battle for decency for all, if you will, we must first win the hearts and minds of our fellow man. 

Faith, justice, fairness and the like are for all only if they work for all.  I have often said that I will not force another to wear the same (or any) shoes as I do. But in a like manner neither should I (or others) be made to wear another's choice of shoe.

Or pay for them.

I digress, I know. 

Be well.

If you weren't in Scotland, I'd like to buy you a beer sometime and wax philosophic. Maybe make a pass, who knows.

[Thong Maniac]

I've just reached a breaking point with my formerly beloved Conservatives digging deep into the bible for moral clarity, when this often entails retarded OT nonsense. And I can't help but feel anymore it is often done simply to justify long held, simple-minded prejudice.

They'll dig up an anti-gay verse or two, or conveniently interpret some 'sanctity of life' or 'not playing God' horseshit in order to oppose abortion or Death with Dignity legislation (voluntary euthanasia, btw, as opposed to state-sponsored execution), and even life-saving stem cell research. Inexcusable ignorance for this century at way too steep a cost.

Meanwhile, they're all adamantly opposed to slavery and other horrid practices, like they're no-brainers (which they obviously are), yet they can easily find TONS of biblical support for such practices.

And I support the death penalty, but I'm in no way pretending to use Scripture as justification. I just believe society is better served with some monsters erased from existence. Sue me.

Great post

[2Thick]

This shows why arguing with you is futile....what are presidents supposed to do?..put on a uniform, jump out of a helicopter and go get Bin Laden himself personally?........don't be idiotic....Obama deserves credit for that..he is the leader who put the people and intelligence in place in order to make the decision to do it......he gets the credit..plain and simple

You shouldn't be arguing with me - you should be reading and taking notes so you don't keep repeated the same nonsense over and over.

No, the intel gathered over the years came largely from things like the "torture" you on the left did away with.

[2Thick]

I didn't say it was.
I am just saying that 100% of the people on that list didn't want war - Some demanded inspections, and when the inspections showed zero WMD, they didn't support war.

I see these quotes used all the time on getbig political board.   A quote from 1998, from a person who was retired in 2000, demanding WMD inspections, does NOT equal an endorsement for war in March 2003.  It just doesn't.   It's beyond stupid to include those.  Once the inspections showed zero WMD, well, fuck it, we invaded anyway.  USA, baby!

Whatever you say, 240. You've got to justify voting for Obama twice by blaming Bush for everything and vilifying him constantly.

And no, I'm not a big Bush fan myself. But a chimp who does nothing would be better than the mess we're in now.

[andreisdaman]

Maybe im off base here, but it seems semi-archaic that you must be american blooded, because as the country grows and travel is more frequent and jobs take people over seas and the ability to migrate is easier than ever...less and less people are "totally" american. As long as u are citiZen, I see that making more sense. But i dunno, im just some dude with an opinion.

 

That's fine with me..tell it to the birthers.....or does their logic only apply when the person is black>?>

[2Thick]

I dunno man,
I cant vote for a guy who is that looney based on principle. That kind of shit needs to stop being rewarded as its dangerous when it impacts policy and decision making. Granted he is probably hamming it up a notch for the bible belt vote, but its embarrasing to see a potential leader of the free world talk like that

[2Thick]

you still haven't said if Cruz is qualified for president due to his being born in Canada...you said Obama wasn't even though he was born in Hawaii .....I think the question short-circuited your brain due to your birther leanings

Cruz's eligibility has been confirmed by legal experts, of which you're obviously not.

[andreisdaman]

You shouldn't be arguing with me - you should be reading and taking notes so you don't keep repeated the same nonsense over and over.

No, the intel gathered over the years came largely from things like the "torture" you on the left did away with.

Jesus Christ.....I hate having to destroy goddamn idiots like you......getting Bin Laden didn't come from torture.....it came from surveillance of his courier who would frequent an internet café where his internet traffic was traced....Obama gets the credit just as all presidents get credit and blame for successes and failures...stop pretending

according to your logic, Steve Jobs didn't build Apple...it was the lower level people who worked for him

[2Thick]

People who don't vote because of flaws in whichever candidate whose views most closely mirror their own are people who help those like Obama get elected.

If you're wanting a perfect candidate, it ain't gonna happen.

As I've said numerous times myself, it doesn't bother me or affect me one bit if a guy or gal worships a unicorn or has other quirks. As long as he or she is right or mostly right on the big picture stuff - the Constitution, lower taxes and regs, strong national defense, fiscal responsibility, etc - that's all I'm concerned about.