3cc of insulin a day!?!??

[The Wizard of Truth]

I thought for a long time that pinning Humalog  post w/o was the default, but then BFG posted a protocol where Humalog is taken intramuscular(!) pre w/o.
Has anyone here tried both protocols with the same doses of slin & carbs?

I used both methods and far prefer pre workout. Like literary before my first set. 50g cars during training then 20th carbs or so with amino drink after training. Used 15-20iu novorapid fast insulin

[Hulk-smash!]

Ask Don Youngblood about the use of insulin by a non-diabetic...He's f'in dead.

[The Wizard of Truth]

Ask Don Youngblood about the use of insulin by a non-diabetic...He's f'in dead.

3 guys in my gym dropped from hypo in the past, one was hospitalised for a week. Other two not quite as serious, just went unconscious in public. It's not to be fucked with but it's cheap and puts on size so will be continued to be used and abused

[io856]

3 guys in my gym dropped from hypo in the past, one was hospitalised for a week. Other two not quite as serious, just went unconscious in public. It's not to be fucked with but it's cheap and puts on size so will be continued to be used and abused

did they drop in the gym?

did the guy who was hospitalised still slin it up after?

[The Wizard of Truth]

did they drop in the gym?

did the guy who was hospitalised still slin it up after?

One in a grocery store, one driving home from gym and crashed into a ditch and one in the gym. I went upto the shop and got a Mars bar and lucozade for him and he came around. All 3 used slin again as far as I know

[Thong Maniac]

I saw a post on the geared up Facebook about a guy asking if 1cc of humalin R was normal. Needless to say several well know diet coaches jumped in and said hell no you could die. Post up this meal plan and the "coach" that would recommend this reckless behavior.  No shit he did and it was IFBB pro Lee banks. I asked Lee to come clarify his typo since we all though he ment many 10ui or somthing. Nope he came in and said yep 1cc of slin and if you want to play you got to pay and he knows several pros who top out at 3cc a day...

Post pic of the "athlete"...blur his faceout.
Why are people discussing AAS use openly on facebook? Man this is a fucked up generation

[Hulk-smash!]

3 guys in my gym dropped from hypo in the past, one was hospitalised for a week. Other two not quite as serious, just went unconscious in public. It's not to be fucked with but it's cheap and puts on size so will be continued to be used and abused

Don told me himself when I asked if he'd be competing that year's masters "My doc told me if I keep competing I'd end up having my legs amputated"...he died 3 months later.

It is MY mission in life to prove, as Arthur Jones did w/ Case Viator in The Colorado Experiment, you don't need any supplements.  Just healthy food & rest.  Admittedly I do use creatine for bb'ing purposes as I do think it helps.  I also use arginine as I suffer from Peripheral Vascular Disease and it definitely helps w/ vasodilation.  No stupid-assed protein powder or drugs.

I think if I can present a 48yr old, 5'8", 218lbs, <10% bf physique 100% naturally basically using only creatine I will have proven this ^.

[bigmikecox]

No way you can eat enough carbs to justify 3cc of slin

[njflex]

OTH AND OKAMI HERE AT LEAST WOULD BE ONE TO PICK BRAIN ON THESE THINGS ..

[DroppingPlates]

No way you can eat enough carbs to justify 3cc of slin

Exactly!

[Hulk-smash!]

Why are people discussing AAS use openly on facebook? Man this is a fucked up generation

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/east-point-mother-arrested-threatening-facebook-po/nk5Rf/

[ritch]

I won't comment on the doses I heard top guys use but anyone who falls KO while on slin is an f'in moron. Before that happens, you feel really weird and know something is up. And to be in your car with no available sugar just proves he should stick to creatine and protein, stupid asshole...

[The Wizard of Truth]

I won't comment on the doses I heard top guys use but anyone who falls KO while on slin is an f'in moron. Before that happens, you feel really weird and know something is up. And to be in your car with no available sugar just proves he should stick to creatine and protein, stupid asshole...

X2
You have a 5minute or so timeframe from feeling 'weird' (cold sweats, jaw locks, eyes get heavy, you get very weak) and going unconscious

[OTHstrong]

OTH AND OKAMI HERE AT LEAST WOULD BE ONE TO PICK BRAIN ON THESE THINGS ..

I am sure there are a few pros who do close to 300, non of the guys I know use that high, not even the ones on 8 grams of aas per week.

I know of one person only who does that much and its a woman who is 500lb and has the worse type of diabetes. I have heard of people dropping off of less then 20 iu, although ''ritch'' pointed out a good point, you would see it coming because its starts off lightly before it escalates.

[OTHstrong]

No way you can eat enough carbs to justify 3cc of slin

this^

[OTHstrong]

Good to have u back!

That is insane! Why would anyone need to run that high of anything? More isn't better, truly addicts with mental issues we are dealing with

  of course, getbig is my home 

[BigRo]

Don told me himself when I asked if he'd be competing that year's masters "My doc told me if I keep competing I'd end up having my legs amputated"...he died 3 months later.

It is MY mission in life to prove, as Arthur Jones did w/ Case Viator in The Colorado Experiment, you don't need any supplements.  Just healthy food & rest.  Admittedly I do use creatine for bb'ing purposes as I do think it helps.  I also use arginine as I suffer from Peripheral Vascular Disease and it definitely helps w/ vasodilation.  No stupid-assed protein powder or drugs.

I think if I can present a 48yr old, 5'8", 218lbs, <10% bf physique 100% naturally basically using only creatine I will have proven this ^.

don't be naive and think there was not a chemistry experiment going on along side the training program.

[OTHstrong]

don't be naive and think there was not a chemistry experiment going on along side the training program.

TELL ME I DIDNT JUST READ THAT ON GETBIG   

[OTHstrong]

Don told me himself when I asked if he'd be competing that year's masters "My doc told me if I keep competing I'd end up having my legs amputated"...he died 3 months later.

It is MY mission in life to prove, as Arthur Jones did w/ Case Viator in The Colorado Experiment, you don't need any supplements.  Just healthy food & rest.  Admittedly I do use creatine for bb'ing purposes as I do think it helps.  I also use arginine as I suffer from Peripheral Vascular Disease and it definitely helps w/ vasodilation.  No stupid-assed protein powder or drugs.

I think if I can present a 48yr old, 5'8", 218lbs, <10% bf physique 100% naturally basically using only creatine I will have proven this ^.

DUDE 2015 here, snap out of it 

[Overload]

I've met guys who did up to 150iu every day in the off season.

My good friend shot 50iu the first shot instead of 5iu.  He didn't understand how to read the pin and thankfully called me afterwards.

After drinking apple juice for 3 hours he was fine.

[Hulk-smash!]

Casey Viator used nothing but food & sleep when he gained 65lbs in one month.  If you think otherwise its you being niave.  Ask Dr Elliot Plese, if he's still alive, he was the supervising medical doctor at the Univ. of Colo. @ Grand Junction when the experiment was conducted.  Casey also won the junior Mr America, junior USA, Mr America & Mr USA - ALL 100 % natural over the course of 2 yrs before the age of 20.

[Waller]

Casey Viator used nothing but food & sleep when he gained 65lbs in one month.  If you think otherwise its you being niave.  Ask Dr Elliot Plese, if he's still alive, he was the supervising medical doctor at the Univ. of Colo. @ Grand Junction when the experiment was conducted.  Casey also won the junior Mr America, junior USA, Mr America & Mr USA - ALL 100 % natural over the course of 2 yrs before the age of 20.

Got any proof?

[Overload]

Got any proof?

Steve Reeves said so.

[DroppingPlates]

Casey Viator used nothing but food & sleep when he gained 65lbs in one month.  If you think otherwise its you being niave.  Ask Dr Elliot Plese, if he's still alive, he was the supervising medical doctor at the Univ. of Colo. @ Grand Junction when the experiment was conducted.  Casey also won the junior Mr America, junior USA, Mr America & Mr USA - ALL 100 % natural over the course of 2 yrs before the age of 20.

I hope you're sarcastic here, else there is no hope for you..

[Hulk-smash!]

www.arthurjonesexercise. com/Unpublished/Colorado.pdf

Casey Viator NEVER used any drugs while employed by Arthur Jones.  If you think otherwise you don't what your talking about.  He did after he moved to california & started training w/ Mentzer.  His physique & competitive bodybuilding career went straight downhill as a result of this move.  He died from congestive heart failure because he wouldn't take his meds nor keep regularly scheduled doc appointments.

http://www.drdarden.com/readTopic.do?id=409718