how important are pre- and post-workout meals?

[ritch]

Try some chocolate with a little bit of protein powder and/or BCAA's just before training.

The protein will not have time to,absorb, no use adding bcaa to protein powder.
Terrible advice here.

[Van_Bilderass]

The protein will not have time to,absorb, no use adding bcaa to protein powder.
Terrible advice here.

Not all of it will absorb immediately but it will start hitting the bloodstream pretty quickly.
BCAA's will reduce the amount of tryptophane in the brain, gives "mental energy".
Nothing wrong with protein powder preworkout, or even during, as long as it doesn't make you sick.

[ritch]

Not all of it will absorb immediately but it will start hitting the bloodstream pretty quickly.
BCAA's will reduce the amount of tryptophane in the brain, gives "mental energy".
Nothing wrong with protein powder preworkout, or even during, as long as it doesn't make you sick.

Just because it does not make you sick, does not mean it's ideal. Terrible way to evaluate/defend your point.

[Van_Bilderass]

Just because it does not make you sick, does not mean it's ideal. Terrible way to evaluate/defend your point.

So what is my point and what is your point and what is ideal? 
Lots of lifters use aminos and/or hydrolysates during workouts and feel great. And as I showed,
research shows intact whey can be "faster" than those. Some cyclists use whey during bike rides for example.

Chocolate can be a mild mood booster ime, and can make you feel stronger. Some fat and sugar and the psychoactive compounds in chocolate can make it a nice energy booster when dieting.
Hey, Pudzianovski said he ate a lot of chocolate pretraining.

In the end, you have to try things out to see how it affects you.

[ritch]

So what is my point and what is your point and what is ideal? 
Lots of lifters use aminos and/or hydrolysates during workouts and feel great. And as I showed,
research shows intact whey can be "faster" than those. Some cyclists use whey during bike rides for example.

Chocolate can be a mild mood booster ime, and can make you feel stronger. Some fat and sugar and the psychoactive compounds in chocolate can make it a nice energy booster when dieting.
Hey, Pudzianovski said he ate a lot of chocolate pretraining.

In the end, you have to try things out to see how it affects you.

part in bold is different.
Chocolate? Sounds like an excuse to eat chocolate.

Pudzianovski is an excption and shit like this always comes down to what you said lastly. Indeed...

[240 is Back]

Ranked in order of importance

1) post-workout nutrition

2) pre-workout nutrition

3) family, marriage, career

[SuperTed]

I don't have anything post workout. In fact, my next meal after I workout is lunch which I have around 7 hours after I train. I have my breakfast prior to working out which just consists of 125ml of whole fat milk, oats, 2 eggs a banana and a protein shake.

[ritch]

I don't have anything post workout. In fact, my next meal after I workout is lunch which I have around 7 hours after I train. I have my breakfast prior to working out which just consists of 125ml of whole fat milk, oats, 2 eggs a banana and a protein shake.

If you can be big, ripped off that, then you have wonder genetics.
Eat 6x's day, do 1grm test and the Mr O title is a mere 6 months from being held in your hands.

[local hero]

I don't have anything post workout. In fact, my next meal after I workout is lunch which I have around 7 hours after I train. I have my breakfast prior to working out which just consists of 125ml of whole fat milk, oats, 2 eggs a banana and a protein shake.

Up your milk to exactly 129.5ml for epic results....

[pellius]

I don't have anything post workout. In fact, my next meal after I workout is lunch which I have around 7 hours after I train. I have my breakfast prior to working out which just consists of 125ml of whole fat milk, oats, 2 eggs a banana and a protein shake.

What kind of results have you had with that? Have you ever posted a pic?

[SuperTed]

If you can be big, ripped off that, then you have wonder genetics.
Eat 6x's day, do 1grm test and the Mr O title is a mere 6 months from being held in your hands.

I'm a natural with a swimmer's build so I'm far from big. If I was on gear I'd definitely eat more. I actually used to do the standard BB protocol of 6-8 meals a day but it just ended up turning me into a perma bulker.
Cutting down to 3 meals a day meant I lost some muscle but I feel healthier the leaner I am.  I also used to take a post workout shake which was a high calorie weight gainer but it didn’t seem to make much difference to my training when I stopped doing this.

Up your milk to exactly 129.5ml for epic results....

125ml is the sweet spot.

What kind of results have you had with that? Have you ever posted a pic?

I got leaner than I was before which is what I was aiming for. I’ve posted some arms pics but my physique looks similar to your average Olympic swimmer.

[nattybay]

I never believed in this stuff, but the past few days I've been eating some sugary foods about half an hour before I work out.  The difference in muscle sensation, pump, sweating, heart rate, physicap appearance post workout (vascularity, striations), and enjoyableness of the workout has been immense...

For the past year or so, I've done fasted workouts / runs in the morning... I don't think I'm ever going back.  Maybe it only makes a difference if you're very lean?

Not sure about post workout yet, but some pwo carbs/protein seemed to stabilize my mental state, today at least.

How important do you think pre/post workout meals are?  What should they consist of?  Timing?

I eat when hungry.
Its much better to workout after a light meal.
Keeps you energetic throughout the workout.

[Thong Maniac]

Ranked in order of importance

1) post-workout nutrition

2) pre-workout nutrition

3) family, marriage, career

ROFL

[cephissus]

Well the magic is over... Pretty much back to normal workouts.

Tried a pop tart 20 minutes before squats this morning . Decent workout, but nothing special.  Going to try a vitamin water before tomorrows run.

Yesterday I had broccoli (500g) and steel cut oats (100g) about an hour or so before my run.  Terrible heaviness of gut during run.

Really made me aware of 'digestion' for the first time.  I recalled, from meadows' article, how digestion requires blood.

As the run went on, the heaviness in my gut subsided, seemingly in correlation with increased sensation in my legs.  Interestingly, the total time of my (fixed distance) run was 36 minutes -- exactly the same as many other occurrences which felt much better.

After the run, I felt very anxious and depressed for a while, but held off eating just long enough... After a few hours, my head cleared and I felt light and energetic.

I wondered if this was the point that digestion had fully finished, leaving blood to return to my brain and muscles.  I've noticed this ’light and empty' feeling before, and it usually precedes good workouts (sweating, heart rate, pump, respiration).

[Simple Simon]

Well the magic is over... Pretty much back to normal workouts.

Tried a pop tart 20 minutes before squats this morning . Decent workout, but nothing special.  Going to try a vitamin water before tomorrows run.

Yesterday I had broccoli (500g) and steel cut oats (100g) about an hour or so before my run.  Terrible heaviness of gut during run.

Really made me aware of 'digestion' for the first time.  I recalled, from meadows' article, how digestion requires blood.

As the run went on, the heaviness in my gut subsided, seemingly in correlation with increased sensation in my legs.  Interestingly, the total time of my (fixed distance) run was 36 minutes -- exactly the same as many other occurrences which felt much better.

After the run, I felt very anxious and depressed for a while, but held off eating just long enough... After a few hours, my head cleared and I felt light and energetic.

I wondered if this was the point that digestion had fully finished, leaving blood to return to my brain and muscles.  I've noticed this ’light and empty' feeling before, and it usually precedes good workouts (sweating, heart rate, pump, respiration).

Yes, always insist on steel cut oats.

Fuck me its like 'pan fried lamb chops' on a menu, how else are you gong to fry a lamb chop if its not in a fucking pan.

Some pretentious twats about.

[cephissus]

Yes, always insist on steel cut oats.

Fuck me its like 'pan fried lamb chops' on a menu, how else are you gong to fry a lamb chop if its not in a fucking pan.

Some pretentious twats about.

What the fuck is your problem?

'Steel cut' is an extremely common oat classification.  You'll find oats marketed with this term at any us supermarket.

Generally speaking, oats are sold in three forms: steel cut (chopped), rolled (flattened), and quick (rolled and chopped).  Steel cut are the 'least processed', therefore hardest to digest -- as reflected by their lengthy cooking time.  Hence the relevance to my story.

Also 'pan fried' is to be contrasted with fried, or 'deep fried'.  Its the name of a technique, which implies a thin layer of oil -- rather than a piece of meat submerged in oil.

Calm down, if you don't like the thread, you don't have to post.  Contrary to what you might think, I have good reason for the level of effort I put into my posts, which isn't all that much anyway.

If I can learn and improve my workouts -- an activity which takes up at least an hour of my time every day -- with a few hours of posting, I'll gladly spend the time.

[Thong Maniac]

What the fuck is your problem?

'Steel cut' is an extremely common oat classification.  You'll find oats marketed with this term at any us supermarket.

Generally speaking, oats are sold in three forms: steel cut (chopped), rolled (flattened), and quick (rolled and chopped).  Steel cut are the 'least processed', therefore hardest to digest -- as reflected by their lengthy cooking time.  Hence the relevance to my story.

Also 'pan fried' is to be contrasted with fried, or 'deep fried'.  Its the name of a technique, which implies a thin layer of oil -- rather than a piece of meat submerged in oil.

Calm down, if you don't like the thread, you don't have to post.  Contrary to what you might think, I have good reason for the level of effort I put into my posts, which isn't all that much anyway.

If I can learn and improve my workouts -- an activity which takes up at least an hour of my time every day -- with a few hours of posting, I'll gladly spend the time.

Brutal ownage

[Simple Simon]

What the fuck is your problem?

'Steel cut' is an extremely common oat classification.  You'll find oats marketed with this term at any us supermarket.

Generally speaking, oats are sold in three forms: steel cut (chopped), rolled (flattened), and quick (rolled and chopped).  Steel cut are the 'least processed', therefore hardest to digest -- as reflected by their lengthy cooking time.  Hence the relevance to my story.

Also 'pan fried' is to be contrasted with fried, or 'deep fried'.  Its the name of a technique, which implies a thin layer of oil -- rather than a piece of meat submerged in oil.

Calm down, if you don't like the thread, you don't have to post.  Contrary to what you might think, I have good reason for the level of effort I put into my posts, which isn't all that much anyway.

If I can learn and improve my workouts -- an activity which takes up at least an hour of my time every day -- with a few hours of posting, I'll gladly spend the time.

Just say oats FFS , no one cares if you have taken the trouble to seek out steel cut oats and do you really think it makes THAT much difference how they are processed and the impact it has on your physique?

You spend countless hours preparing food and posting dumbass pictures on here like its fucking Facebook

Fuck off with your bollocks, anyone would think that all the food prep actually meant something.