It's frustrating because everything we have ever accomplished or "know" as a species is via logic and things making sense. These people come along and want to discard sense and reason, meanwhile they operate in daily life in a logical manner.
Logic itself is transcendent and grounded in the nature of God. Whether or not our minds exist logical absolutes hold true. Logical absolutes are not contingent upon naturalism, humanity, space or time. Logic is a process of our brains, but the logical absolutes that ground it are not.
The concepts and ideas in the book can never be falsified, why would god go through the trouble only to leave such an incomplete (more knowledge is contained in a phonebook) record, to a specific group of people, millions of years after watching in heaven with his arms folded in indifference.
To preserve the record written across approx 1500 years by many authors in 66 different books that work together cohesively. The bible was written in Hebrew which is a derivative of ancient chaldean, Aramaic which is a sister language of Arabic and Koine Greek. All are dead languages and are unchanged to this day. With our technology today and constantly evolving language we can distort, fabricate and manipulate virtually every common media known to man today. That’s why the ancient greek manuscripts of the NT and the ancient manuscripts for the OT (ex: Septuagint) are so important. We have the fields of linguistics and textual criticism devoted to understanding and preserving the words in the their purest, correct forms today.
The fact that this “bronze age sheepherder” book is difficult to falsify is telling to me. Although, the term “falsification” is typically aligned with the scientific methods of naturalism. And we’re talking about a book of historical and theological materials that discusses the supernatural God……a mix of different worldviews there. Can’t bottle God in a test tube or beaker. He wouldn’t be God if we could.
Actually goes through the trouble of sending himself to earth, performing miraculous acts like walking on water etc and this book is what we are left with?
Today we are left with something more precious than every person in the OT and most in the NT never had. That’s the actual indwelling of God’s Holy Spirit within believers today. This personal revelation of God is something OT Israelites, Pharisees and Sadducces of the Sanhedrin and most NT figures (aside from Christ’s apostles) never experienced. Even with Christ on earth as the incarnate son of God people still refused to believe his miracles and teachings. They occurred before throngs and many simply denied them. Why would today be any different? Especially with all of the technology we have today that can manipulate and replicate so many genuine things into something seemingly dishonest.
Christ was crucified and rose and only after he appeared to his apostle Thomas did Thomas belief despite the word from his constituents. Although, when the Holy Spirit filled these men and women at Pentecost did they go forward preaching the gospel at a fevered pace and willing gave up their lives in the process.
meanwhile, god is omnipotent and omniscient yet needed a mulligan twice on earth
As soon as you put the word “needed” with God the statement was incorrect. God needs for nothing. The “mulligan” (as you put it) was because of the error of people, not God. God brought a reprobate world into judgment. Not a happy world of charity workers and Pinterest loving soccer moms….a reprobate world. A world full of vile, evil, depraved people committing the worst acts imaginable to each other.
I've never understood why people today are so sympathetic to the reprobate folks in scripture When we see examples of depraved people today most folks want them dealt with swiftly and permanently. Most want them immediately hospitalized, jailed, executed or all of the above.....and this is only a tiny fraction of people.....not the entire world.
, failed to convince people with miracles etc,
People have very hard hearts. Shows you that the even the best possible proof is rejected even when it’s provided right in front of people repeatedly. Why is it people would respond differently today?
even though he knew it wouldn't (he knows the future), so he sacrifices himself?
Ok, so he has foreknowledge of events. Doesn’t mean his will for our lives is pre-executed thereby negating our choices….only Calvinists belief that way.
He didn’t sacrifice himself for himself…..he did so for you and me. The OT Israelites couldn’t meet God’s standards despite their best efforts and God’s provision. Everything in the bible points to people’s need for Jesus Christ. A perfect, divine sacrifice was required on our behalf so that we could be made righteous and come into fellowship with God.
This self sacrifice serves as a loop hole for terrible shit?
This only appears the case for those that remain steeped in their sin. For those redeemed by God this “loophole” notion simply isn’t there. Believers in Christ have turned completely from their sin and desire to live without it in our lives….that’s the goal.
He knew what would happen, sends himself to be killed to redeem his creation, makes lots of sense.
See above. Makes perfect sense if you allow for the God’s divine, righteous, holy nature to be exactly what it is. We could traverse the entire universe and that distance still wouldn’t close the gap between us and God…..only Jesus Christ can bridge that for us. That’s why he came.
It's not even a fucking sacrifice, the guy knew he would be going to heaven. What a fucking guy huh.
One of the worst acts of torture conceived of and known by man at that time was undertaken by a man who was fully without blame and unworthy of such a penalty, but did so willingly on our behalf and that is not a sacrifice? In fact, the modern word "excruciating" is rooted in the Latin word "excruciare" that sources from the Latin "cruciare" which means "to crucify". The Romans were highly proficient in torture and death and adopted and perfected the ancient practice of crucifixion from Persia (if I remember correctly). Jesus Christ rose in death to show that once and for all he is God. He did all of this so that we could be aligned with the infinite, holy, righteous God.
He sounded like a moron in the first book, then less so in the second but still a raging moron.
The first book is Genesis, the second is Exodus. There are 66 inspired books in the bible written over 1500 years. Was that what you meant? Or did you mean testaments…as in the new and old? Where did God sound like a moron?
