steroids and shitloads of drugs killing every pro bodybuilder on the planet

[nextgen]

The guys dying early are 90s and onwards, when drug dosages/variety exploded..

Keep dosages under control,take time off, take support supplements and you should be all good- and aim for a 70s/80s build

[Lord Chronos]

it must be the reccy drugs

it must be the high doses

it must have been the diuretics

its must be something else

Denialism is strong as ever.

[Hurricane Beef !]

mr olympia 1979

DEAD at 49 mentzer (heart complications)
ALIVE roger walker
ALIVE Bob Birdsong
ALIVE Chris Dickerson
DEAD at 47 Carlos Rodriguez (stomach cancer)
ALIVE Steve Davis
ALIVE tom platz

Pretty sure Mentzer died of kidney failure

THE BEEF

[Novena]

The guys dying early are 90s and onwards, when drug dosages/variety exploded..

Keep dosages under control,take time off, take support supplements and you should be all good- and aim for a 70s/80s build

Up until the late 80’s you could have doctors supervise the cycles.  Greatly reduces the sides.  Also the doctors could prescribe ancillaries.

[mame09]

steroids dont kill you bozos its the other extras people take

if you have to take pain killers because you inject too much thats were it all goes down hill

[da_vinci]

Full blood tests every six months and cardio health test every year or two and most of the risks are ruled out.
Hope this helps.

[thegamechanger]

im not saying steroids is risk free but looking at the highest level of the sport for mid 70s all of the 80s and most of the notorious 90s when people really put size on and still only we count a half dozen to a dozen death?

from all the drama, one would think the numbers would be higher, no?

[Howard]

This is the final word on the topic....thread!

[Mike]

steroids dont kill you bozos its the other extras people take

if you have to take pain killers because you inject too much thats were it all goes down hill

False.  steriods have many negative side effects on their own.

Yes, rec drugs sometimes go with steroids seeing as how some of these guys are just drug addicts, as i once was.

I was ON for a few years and those were some of the best years of my life but i knew the risks
Steroids led to injuries, pain led to Vicodin, then Oxys and eventually heroin. 

Luckily i asked for help....

[oldtimer1]

every day it seems getbig steroid experts talk about how bodybuilders dies like flies due to shitloads of steroids and/or recreational drugs... lets check and see how many pro bodybuilders on the top level for the last almost 40 years going back that died... and how many of those deaths can we be sure of being drug related?



TOTAL NO OF MR OLYMPIA/NO OF YEARS: 20 (FROM 1977 TO 1997)
TOTAL NO OF BODYBUILDERS COMPETING PER OLYMPIA: 8 to 24.
TOTAL NO OF BODYBUILDERS ALIVE TODAY (18 to 38 years later): 100
TOTAL NO OF BODYBUILDERS THAT I DONT KNOW "?": 14
TOTAL NO OF BODYBUILDERS DEAD: 17


mr olympia 1977

ALIVEFrank Zane
ALIVERobby Robinson
ALIVEEd Corney (81 years old)
ALIVEBoyer Coe
ALIVEKen Waller
DEAD AT 64Dennis Tinerino (cancer)
ALIVEAlbert Beckles (84 years old!)
ALIVEBill Grant

mr olympia 1978

ALIVEFrank Zane
ALIVERobby Robinson
ALIVERoy Callender
ALIVEBoyer Coe
?Kalman Szkalak
ALIVEDanny Padilla
ALIVEEd Corney
ALIVETony Emmott

mr olympia 1979

DEAD at 49 mentzer (heart complications)
ALIVE roger walker
ALIVE Bob Birdsong
ALIVE Chris Dickerson
DEAD at 47 Carlos Rodriguez (stomach cancer)
ALIVE Steve Davis
ALIVE tom platz

MR OLYMPIA 1980

ALIVE arnold
ALIVE Roy Duval
DEAD at 62 Casey Viator (heart attack)
ALIVE Samir Bannout
ALIVE ken waller

mr olympia 1981

ALIVE Jusup Wilkosz
DEAD at 63 Johnny Fuller (leukemia)
ALIVE Hubert Metz
ALIVE mike katz
DEAD at 61 Jorma Raty

mr olympia 1982

ALIVE Mohamed Makkawy
ALIVE bertil fox
?Jacques Nueville
ALIVE Lance Dreher

mr olympia 1983

ALIVE lee haney
ALIVE James Gaubert
ALIVE Dale Ruplinger
ALIVE Gerard Buinoud

mr olympia 1984

ALIVE bob paris
ALIVE Tony Pearson
ALIVE Chuck Williams
ALIVE charles glass
?Appie Steenbeek

mr olympia 1985

ALIVE gaspari
ALIVE mike christian
ALIVE Berry DeMey
DEAD at 71 sergio oliva (kidney failure)
? Richard Frank
DEAD at 62 Wilfried Sylvester (alzheimers)
ALIVE John Brown
ALIVE Ali Malla
? Salvador Ruiz
ALIVE Renato Bertagna
ALIVE Sean Jenkins
ALIVE Ben Herder

1986

?Peter Hensel
ALIVE ron love
ALIVE John Terelli
?Josef Grolmus
DEAD at 47 Eduardo Kawak
? Gary Leonard

1987

ALIVE labrada
ALIVE Michael Ashley
ALIVE John Hnatyschak
ALIVE Paul Jean-Guillaume
ALIVE Ulf Larsson
?Herman Hoffend
ALIVE Steve Brosbois

1988

ALIVE strydom
ALIVE Mike Quinn
ALIVE Brian Buchanan
DEAD at 33 Mohamed Benaziza
ALIVE phil hill
ALIVE shawn ray
ALIVE Luiz Freitas
ALIVE ralf moeller

1989

ALIVE vince taylor. ALIVE benfatto. DEAD at 31 munzer. (multiple organ failure) ? Armando Defant ALIVE Prem Chand Degra ALIVE Pavel Jablonicki ALIVE Tom Terwilliger

1990 DEAD at 45-46 Frank Hillebrand (heart attack) ALIVE Eddie Robinson ALIVE Jean Luc Favre ? Bernard Sealy

1991 ALIVE yates. DEAD at 51 Sonny Schmidt (cancer) ALIVE Thierry Pastel ALIVE Achim Albrecht ? Renel Janvier ALIVE nimrod king ALIVE Geir Borgen Paulsen
? Joseph Dawson ALIVE J.J. Marsh ALIVE milos

1992 ALIVE levrone. ALIVE porter cottrell ALIVE lou ferrigno ALIVE Alq' Gurley ALIVE Henderson Thorne ALIVE ronnie ? Miroslav Diskiewicz DEAD Jose Guzman
ALIVE Juhani Herranen ALIVE Patrick Nicholls

1993 ALIVE dillett ALIVE Charles Clairmonte ALIVE Flavio Baccianini DEAD Ray McNeil (shot) ALIVE Mauro Sarni ALIVE Hamdullah Aykutlu
? Arthur Buurman DEAD at 47 Mike Matarazzo (heart) ALIVE Johann Schatz ALIVE John Sherman

1994 ALIVE cormier. DEAD at 47 nasser. ALIVE aaron baker. ALIVE gunter. ALIVE david dearth
1995 ALIVE mike francois ALIVE flex ALIVE darrem charles ALIVE Ian Harrison
1996 ALIVE Jean Pierre Fux
1997 ALIVE lee priest

You're a fool who uses rationalization lying to yourself that your own drug use is no problem. Do you want a list of smokers who are alive without major health problems? It numbers in the millions. You're like a smoker who says I know a 80 year old who smoked his whole life. Is smoking a risk for cancer, lung and heart disease? Hell yes.

There are no real studies using a large quantity of bodybuilders who use bodybuilding drugs. What we have is empirical knowledge of what is a small subculture of a sport and the health consequences of using drugs for muscles.

So take your drugs and get all the attention your insecure little boy in your mind needs when you get your compliments of your muscles. When you have to quit due to health problems when you're in your 40's or 50's after decades of juicing remember this post.

[The Scott]

No one ever said it's the "survival of the shitiest".  Top bodybuilders of the past twenty or more years are nothing without their dope and given their lack of natural ability (and intelligence) its no wonder they go Conehead  on the stuff and then lemming out.

[Automation]

Full blood tests every six months and cardio health test every year or two and most of the risks are ruled out.
Hope this helps.

It is like using any other drug. Consistent use will cause physiological changes that are unnatural and unhealthy. If you think that having a check up every 6 months, against limited parameters, is going to ensure that the long term use of drugs is not detrimental, you are only fooling yourself.

But, that is the way of the human. We all tell ourselves what we want to hear, to validate our decisions.

[ritch]

False.  steriods have many negative side effects on their own.

Yes, rec drugs sometimes go with steroids seeing as how some of these guys are just drug addicts, as i once was.

I was ON for a few years and those were some of the best years of my life but i knew the risks
Steroids led to injuries, pain led to Vicodin, then Oxys and eventually heroin. 

Luckily i asked for help....

Not supposed to happen if you know what you're doing. Your example is beyond extreme and is not even close to what will happen to anyone.

[ritch]

Comparing cigarettes to roids for health comparisons???
LOL, OK....

The average gym rat with rational use has pretty much nothing to worry about.

Pro's? I'd say yes.

[thegamechanger]

i dont use steroids. i thought about creatine but i decided not to !

[Earl1972]

You're a fool who uses rationalization lying to yourself that your own drug use is no problem. Do you want a list of smokers who are alive without major health problems? It numbers in the millions. You're like a smoker who says I know a 80 year old who smoked his whole life. Is smoking a risk for cancer, lung and heart disease? Hell yes.

There are no real studies using a large quantity of bodybuilders who use bodybuilding drugs. What we have is empirical knowledge of what is a small subculture of a sport and the health consequences of using drugs for muscles.

So take your drugs and get all the attention your insecure little boy in your mind needs when you get your compliments of your muscles. When you have to quit due to health problems when you're in your 40's or 50's after decades of juicing remember this post.

have you ever used them?  i've asked you this before but you always avoid answering

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[da_vinci]

It is like using any other drug. Consistent use will cause physiological changes that are unnatural and unhealthy. If you think that having a check up every 6 months, against limited parameters, is going to ensure that the long term use of drugs is not detrimental, you are only fooling yourself.

But, that is the way of the human. We all tell ourselves what we want to hear, to validate our decisions.

Limited parameters? You'd spend half of the day reading my blood tests results. I usualy order lots of extras. You can be pretty much sure that you are well if most of these are in the normal range. The last time I did it (after a decent blast) my results still were in very good, better than most people who live an average life, with an average diet, physical activity and no hormones.

Another interesting fact - after well over a decade of lifting heavy and over 4 years of using hormones, my heart is not enlarged abit. I guess it's purely genetics, just like balding.

[da_vinci]

Comparing cigarettes to roids for health comparisons???
LOL, OK....
The average gym rat with rational use has pretty much nothing to worry about.
Pro's? I'd say yes.

The pros of moderate use with a decent care most probably will outweight any negatives on the long run. I'm ready to sacrifice some years of my old age in exchange to a huge boost in the quality of life while I'm young (and being able to stay young for longer).

[da_vinci]

You're a fool who uses rationalization lying to yourself that your own drug use is no problem. Do you want a list of smokers who are alive without major health problems? It numbers in the millions. You're like a smoker who says I know a 80 year old who smoked his whole life. Is smoking a risk for cancer, lung and heart disease? Hell yes.

There are no real studies using a large quantity of bodybuilders who use bodybuilding drugs. What we have is empirical knowledge of what is a small subculture of a sport and the health consequences of using drugs for muscles.

So take your drugs and get all the attention your insecure little boy in your mind needs when you get your compliments of your muscles. When you have to quit due to health problems when you're in your 40's or 50's after decades of juicing remember this post.

You stupid old bitter fool, I bet you are fapping your flacid dick before your bed time imaging all these little slutty whores you could've fucked by having a physique of god. If I would send some of the pics of bitches that I had merely because of how I look - you'd off yourself right there you shrivelled turd.

[Tennisballz]

Not trying to be a dick here, but I have wonder why anyone who isn't trying to be a professional athlete would use steroids.  We all know a normal healthy guy with average and even below average genetics can build a very nice physique of 180-200 lbs with a fairly low bf(8-12%).  With that said, I'm really just curious to the guys who use or have used, at what point did you say to yourself "I'm not good enough".  I just wanna know what the reasons are for using since most of you probably already had a good build.

[Lord Chronos]

The pros of moderate use with a decent care most probably will outweight any negatives on the long run. I'm ready to sacrifice some years of my old age in exchange to a huge boost in the quality of life while I'm young (and being able to stay young for longer).

The thing is most people at whichever given age, dont really want to die.

When you get to 60, not you specifically, but in general, people are going to want to live to 70, when people are 70 they want to live to 80.

As a steroid user, if you get to 60, you wont say oh well, I had some good fun 20 years ago, its ok if I drop dead tommorow, or die of some other condition. You will want to live on.

[Lord Chronos]

Limited parameters? You'd spend half of the day reading my blood tests results. I usualy order lots of extras. You can be pretty much sure that you are well if most of these are in the normal range. The last time I did it (after a decent blast) my results still were in very good, better than most people who live an average life, with an average diet, physical activity and no hormones.

Another interesting fact - after well over a decade of lifting heavy and over 4 years of using hormones, my heart is not enlarged abit. I guess it's purely genetics, just like balding.

Out of interest what markers do you get done?

Specifically I'm quite interested in the more recent cardiac markers (mainly blood lipids and inflammation) that are available and have had quite a few done. Would you be able to share yours. If you have them, ones I am interested in are:

ApoA
ApoB
HS-CRP
LP(a)
LP-PLA2

I'm assuming as you said your values are all good, your regular lipid values are good ie LDL/HDL, out of interest what was your ferritin?

In reference back to your point, the main problems with blood work is that they dont measure what I see to be the two largest risk factors that steroids may bring, which is compromised electrical conductivity, which needs an EKG to show up (and even then it may not) and myocardial fibrosis which will only show up in a cardiac magnetic resonance scan. You are basically checking a myriad of what I would consider lower risk values, but missing the main two high risk ones.

[MORTALCOIL]

Out of interest what markers do you get done?

Specifically I'm quite interested in the more recent cardiac markers, mainly to do with blood lipids and inflammation, that are available and have had quite a few done. Would you be able to share yours. If you have them, ones I am interested in are:

ApoA
ApoB
HS-CRP
LP(a)
LP-PLA2

I'm assuming as you said your values are all good, your regular lipid values are good ie LDL/HDL, out of interest what was your ferritin?

In reference back to your point, the main problems with blood work is that they dont measure what I see to be the two largest risk factors that steroids may bring, which is compromised electrical conductivity, which needs an EKG to show up (and even then it may not) and myocardial fibrosis which will only show up in a cardiac magnetic resonance scan. You are basically checking a myriad of what I would consider lower risk values, but missing the main two high risk ones.

Great post. Though I understand half of it. Sums up why I can't bother with roids. I like to work out. End of the story. I don't need the headache and taking more tests than an HIV patient.

[disco_stu]

taking selective statistics is one sure way to represent any case you choose.

taking actual real, full statistics and then comparing to another full set of baseline stats is the only way.

ignoring that, if you actually believe that taking exogenous hormones has no long term effect, then you are being selectively ignorant.

considering that its quite common to hear of deaths and grave sickness in the real freaks of the sport, that should serve as further evidence.

bottom line is that you arent a doctor. if the medical community say its risky, then accept it. dont try grasping at straws to justify your use.

taking hormones WILL take time off of your life. Period. is that trade off for some extra muscle worth it?...thats your decision.

[thegamechanger]

i google steroid + death and i get nothing.

what gives? is this a hoax like the moon landing?