Test and mental state

[CDel19]

Im 43 been on TRT anywhere from 200-500mg a week for a few years-also take pharm deca anywhere from 200-400 as well-I noticed that w test at 300 or more I get these weird moods of always thinking about sex yet Im not that horny physically-I am of course but more when Im with my gf-I also feel edgy and irritable-lately i have dropped the dosage to 200-250 and kept the deca 3-400mg a week and just feel calmer and not such intense feelings that make me shake my head like wtf is wrong w me lol-its like I have a 43 yr old wisdom with a 20 year old mentality..

[Jizmo]

take cialis, 5mg every day
then youll be physically horny aswell lol
also has some nice other benefits regarding prostate, blood pressure etc.

[Overload]

At least you know your gear is real. 

Too much Test or any compound for that matter, makes my head a bit off.  Hard to explain really.

[BigRo]

500 test 400 deca just on TRT bro...

[jr]

Maybe estrogen levels going up with higher test dosage are causing these mental and physical effects. Have you tried lowering estrogen to see what happens.

I notice similar things, and if I pop some aromasin, over the next few days my mood improves and start getting more random boners, as estrogen lowers back down to a more optimal level.

That's how I can tell my estrogen is getting high, as I don't get the other typical side effects of high estrogen such as bloating or gyno.

[gettingbetter]

500 test 400 deca just on TRT bro...

Exactly what I thought!

Pretty heavy TRT right dur

[CDel19]

Haha yes I started off at 4-500 mg every other week. But then found a very pro muscle dr that works w HIV patients too so
I get the deca too

[CDel19]

So when I lowered my test to 200 a week I feel better. Maybe it's the estrogen but I get this aggression thinking about things for no reason. Also I am physically horny too but I don't wanna hard on all
Day. I'm divorced already and trying to be faithful
 

[Jizmo]

At least you know your gear is real. 

Too much Test or any compound for that matter, makes my head a bit off.  Hard to explain really.

lol
virtually every guy i know of thats high dosing or on year round is completely out of it... like extremely confused and irritable
some even on just 1-2g
my best buddy sometimes just stops walking and stands there for 2 minutes and thinks about something. like he literally cant walk and use his brain at the same time anymore since hes been high dosing.
other guys that i know of are sometimes laughing too loud out of nothing or virtually forgetting which locker they used at the gym EVERY SINGLE DAY

i think im the only one who doesnt get fucked in the head from blasting the shit outta myself    i actually feel like im MUCH calmer on high doses and my thoughts seem much clearer and rational... while im sometimes more on the nervous side when im just on cruise dosage (which is pretty much never

[ritch]

lol
virtually every guy i know of thats high dosing or on year round is completely out of it... like extremely confused and irritable
some even on just 1-2g
my best buddy sometimes just stops walking and stands there for 2 minutes and thinks about something. like he literally cant walk and use his brain at the same time anymore since hes been high dosing.
other guys that i know of are sometimes laughing too loud out of nothing or virtually forgetting which locker they used at the gym EVERY SINGLE DAY

i think im the only one who doesnt get fucked in the head from blasting the shit outta myself    i actually feel like im MUCH calmer on high doses and my thoughts seem much clearer and rational... while im sometimes more on the nervous side when im just on cruise dosage (which is pretty much never

I was gonna blame the weed for all my intellectual lackings. Good to know I can blame that shit on gear!

I always forget where I parked my car. Fuck man... If after 30 seconds I don't spot it, I get nervous and feel people know I can't find it or look lost because I'm circling the same area looking for something. Essh....

But I often laugh by myself and think of funny shit I say (or think is funny I guess.)

[oni]

haha most people forget where they left their car, especially dudes

[heenok]

lol
virtually every guy i know of thats high dosing or on year round is completely out of it... like extremely confused and irritable
some even on just 1-2g
my best buddy sometimes just stops walking and stands there for 2 minutes and thinks about something. like he literally cant walk and use his brain at the same time anymore since hes been high dosing.
other guys that i know of are sometimes laughing too loud out of nothing or virtually forgetting which locker they used at the gym EVERY SINGLE DAY

i think im the only one who doesnt get fucked in the head from blasting the shit outta myself    i actually feel like im MUCH calmer on high doses and my thoughts seem much clearer and rational... while im sometimes more on the nervous side when im just on cruise dosage (which is pretty much never

LMAO holy shit thats funny as fuck
maybe your buddys were dumb to begin with  there are a lot of pros who seems quite well spoken and smart like phil heath or dennis james and i dont thing those guys ever cruise on 200mg of cyp and 2iu of GH

anyway i think the crazy libido that comes with high test only occur when your body is adapting to the high dosage.
if you go from natty to lets say 500mg of test you will feel like a sexual predator. I remember being on my first test E cycle with some proviron thinking sex 24/7 even jerking off at work in the bathrooms....
Now i dont feel half as horny at the same dosage, the brain gets used to the high androgens eventually

[oni]

LMAO holy shit thats funny as fuck
maybe your buddys were dumb to begin with  there are a lot of pros who seems quite well spoken and smart like phil heath or dennis james and i dont thing those guys ever cruise on 200mg of cyp and 2iu of GH

anyway i think the crazy libido that comes with high test only occur when your body is adapting to the high dosage.
if you go from natty to lets say 500mg of test you will feel like a sexual predator. I remember being on my first test E cycle with some proviron thinking sex 24/7 even jerking off at work in the bathrooms....
Now i dont feel half as horny at the same dosage, the brain gets used to the high androgens eventually

Yep, I get it when I reduce the dose also

[BigRo]

lol
virtually every guy i know of thats high dosing or on year round is completely out of it... like extremely confused and irritable
some even on just 1-2g
my best buddy sometimes just stops walking and stands there for 2 minutes and thinks about something. like he literally cant walk and use his brain at the same time anymore since hes been high dosing.
other guys that i know of are sometimes laughing too loud out of nothing or virtually forgetting which locker they used at the gym EVERY SINGLE DAY

i think im the only one who doesnt get fucked in the head from blasting the shit outta myself    i actually feel like im MUCH calmer on high doses and my thoughts seem much clearer and rational... while im sometimes more on the nervous side when im just on cruise dosage (which is pretty much never

how long do you go down to this dose for each year? How do you sustain the higher doses without accruing negative sides?

[Jizmo]

LMAO holy shit thats funny as fuck
maybe your buddys were dumb to begin with  there are a lot of pros who seems quite well spoken and smart like phil heath or dennis james and i dont thing those guys ever cruise on 200mg of cyp and 2iu of GH

lol no, its not like theyre dumb, just baffled or confused the whole time, i dont really know how to word that correctly

Yep, I get it when I reduce the dose also

i actually dont even have an above normal libido on 2+ grams
not with test, not with tren, not with anything

i have the most intense libido on 300-600mg test and nothing else. couldnt think of ANYTHING else but sticking it in during my last cruise... whereas now on a >3g blast i could go without it for days and wouldnt even care

how long do you go down to this dose for each year? How do you sustain the higher doses without accruing negative sides?

i dont. but im young and stupid. im being honest here.
i have zero visible side effects. no zits, good skin, no hair loss, im never sick (only when on orals for too long).
im red as a lobster though and my blood pressure is high. not dangerously high but too high. (140/80 on average). i measure that regularly, blood sugar too (which is always perfect even after a long time on slin).

other than that think my body is quite resilient and can handle high doses. i dont drink, i dont smoke, i eat very well nowadays.
i figured out quite a perfect supplement regiment regarding vitamins, minerals, phytochemicals etc.
the only fats i eat on purpose (other than trace fats in lean meat etc) are healthy. eggs, salmon, coconut milk/oil, MCT oil.
i rarely eat processed shit (except candy/dextrose intra workout with slin).
 
OTHER THAN THAT i know that my bloodwork is most likely completely wrecked. i know that and i havent done any for about a year.
i just cruised for 4 weeks on 300mg test before my current blast (6 weeks in). i know thats not even close to long enough, but i mentally needed a break, so thats when i cruise. before that i had high dosed for probably 6 months or more nonstop...

i wouldnt change a thing anyways. bloodwork doesnt mean anything. it just gives you hints and markers.
if something happens - what happens - thats genetics.
my worst concern is cholesterol, since my HDL was always low (LDL too though). however since i take a lot of supps to reduce systemic inflammation and put in a lot of research in this field im not too concerned.
bad cholesterol numbers are not what causes damage. bad cholesterol numbers COUPLED with systemic inflammation, thats when shit gets dangerous.
i try to avoid that.

still i know that im reckless and im an abuser and im not trying to justify that in any way here

[gettingbetter]

Very honest post bro. Thanks for that. You're pretty lucky as I have horrible bacne on only 200 mgs a week lol

I know you love Tren but it's probably causing most of your issues health wise, especially regarding HDL values.

Do you have high blood pressure when you cruise? Just wondering...

[spiro]

Jizmo please break down your supplement routine if you don't mind.

[Jizmo]

Jizmo please break down your supplement routine if you don't mind.

just supplements:
i actually rely heavily on spices and herbs... raw cocoa, cinnamon, ginger powder, turmeric, white pepper are the main factors here (i dont use them to spice food, i just consume them like that in specific amounts, right from the spoon)...
not everything all the time, i tailored that according to specific goals / bulking / cutting etc.

apart from that, berberine or metformin when cutting.

creatine, leucine, whey (of course), 10ml fish oil a day.
ive made my own multivitamin/mineral/phyto blend too from certain powders...
apart from the "standard" vitamins and minerals in moderate to high doses it contains megadoses of b6, vitamin c/e (not all the time), choline.
plus tons of other exotic stuff (but in lower dosages) since i mixed it with a pre made multi vit/mineral blend.

also take a digestive/probiotic complex/ with numerous ingredients..

ive recently looked into the flush niacin after reading the thread on here. thinking about adding it, but ill need to research that further and see where i can get it for cheap before doing that.

honestly i dont pay much for all the supps together, maybe 25$ a month. plus whey, but i count that as food.

IMO what is REALLY overlooked are spices and herbs in megadoses. there are tons of studies on tons of herbs which show huge benefits.
of course in amounts that you would never get by seasoning your chicken with them.
but since people think oh its just fucking cocoa powder, i can just eat some chocolate for that- nobody sees their potential.

Very honest post bro. Thanks for that. You're pretty lucky as I have horrible bacne on only 200 mgs a week lol

I know you love Tren but it's probably causing most of your issues health wise, especially regarding HDL values.

Do you have high blood pressure when you cruise? Just wondering...

yeah. im not sure if taking out tren would make any difference though, test in the 1-2 gram range will kill your cholesterol aswell..
my BP actually only went down maybe 10 points at best during my cruise... but that depends on other factors too.

if i cheat on my diet (=overeat) i can be 99% sure that im gonna have +10-15 points on my BP the next morning. i dont do that anymore, maybe on special occasions as christmas, otherwise i stick to my calories.
if i have a bad injection and im limping or whatever or some spot is inflamed my BP is always much higher too. so i only use low concentrations of gear that dont cause pip (but huge amounts, lol)

i cant donate blood here when on AAS, its against the law. could schedule phlebotomies i guess, but thats pointless imo. gotta treat problems, not symptoms.

[BigRo]

thanks for the honest reply  Jizmo.

[Jizmo]

i hope i wont come back here in 10-15 years and be full of regret 

at least i'll then be able to understand my current mindset.

tho im not one to regret any mistakes ive made in my life. live and learn

[herefortheglitter]

Very honest post bro. Thanks for that. You're pretty lucky as I have horrible bacne on only 200 mgs a week lol

I know you love Tren but it's probably causing most of your issues health wise, especially regarding HDL values.

Do you have high blood pressure when you cruise? Just wondering...

Have you tried any products for this? I make my own acne scrubs and use them on my husband to prevent this...

What you need:
-2 cups sugar
-1/4 cup coconut oil
-Tbsp. Lemon Juice
-1/2 Tbsp. Honey
-Tsp. Apple Cider Vinegar
- Mason Jar

All you have to do is mix together all the ingredients. It will make a thick "scrub-like" mixture. It's wonderful smelling and leaves your skin soft and smooth. I love it. I just stuck mine in a cute mason jar and voila.

Yes, I know this is "girly" stuff but I am just trying to help. I also make a coffee scrub

[gettingbetter]

Have you tried any products for this? I make my own acne scrubs and use them on my husband to prevent this...

What you need:
-2 cups sugar
-1/4 cup coconut oil
-Tbsp. Lemon Juice
-1/2 Tbsp. Honey
-Tsp. Apple Cider Vinegar
- Mason Jar

All you have to do is mix together all the ingredients. It will make a thick "scrub-like" mixture. It's wonderful smelling and leaves your skin soft and smooth. I love it. I just stuck mine in a cute mason jar and voila.

Yes, I know this is "girly" stuff but I am just trying to help. I also make a coffee scrub

I might just try it since next step for me is either stop using ( not a good idea for a semi pro hockey player) or acutane, something id like to avoid.
I tried Nizoral, peroxyde, B5, nothing worked.

Thanks for the tip. I'll let you know.

Will it still work if i skip the "cute mason jar" step? 😄

What in god's name is a coffee scrub?

[herefortheglitter]

I might just try it since next step for me is either stop using ( not a good idea for a semi pro hockey player) or acutane, something id like to avoid.
I tried Nizoral, peroxyde, B5, nothing worked.

Thanks for the tip. I'll let you know.

Will it still work if i skip the "cute mason jar" step? 😄

What in god's name is a coffee scrub?

Yes, yes you need the cute mason jar or it won't work! Haha
So coffee scrub is amazing. Because caffeine is a natural diuretic, coffee scrubs can also help stimulate the movement of water through your body.1/4 cup of Ground coffee
1/2 to 1 cup of coconut oil and just mix it up. You can also sub honey for the coconut oil.

If you don't want to mix all this up, find a good body scrub with a high concentration of saylic acid and add coffee grounds to it. Clean and Clear makes a decent one. You can also buy straight up saylic acid from Target. I have this shit mastered haha 

[oni]

Interesting to see the difference between a male and female perspective lol
Female: biotic scrub
Male: Kill it with drugs

 

[heenok]

just supplements:
i actually rely heavily on spices and herbs... raw cocoa, cinnamon, ginger powder, turmeric, white pepper are the main factors here (i dont use them to spice food, i just consume them like that in specific amounts, right from the spoon)...
not everything all the time, i tailored that according to specific goals / bulking / cutting etc.

apart from that, berberine or metformin when cutting.

creatine, leucine, whey (of course), 10ml fish oil a day.
ive made my own multivitamin/mineral/phyto blend too from certain powders...
apart from the "standard" vitamins and minerals in moderate to high doses it contains megadoses of b6, vitamin c/e (not all the time), choline.
plus tons of other exotic stuff (but in lower dosages) since i mixed it with a pre made multi vit/mineral blend.

also take a digestive/probiotic complex/ with numerous ingredients..

ive recently looked into the flush niacin after reading the thread on here. thinking about adding it, but ill need to research that further and see where i can get it for cheap before doing that.

honestly i dont pay much for all the supps together, maybe 25$ a month. plus whey, but i count that as food.

IMO what is REALLY overlooked are spices and herbs in megadoses. there are tons of studies on tons of herbs which show huge benefits.
of course in amounts that you would never get by seasoning your chicken with them.
but since people think oh its just fucking cocoa powder, i can just eat some chocolate for that- nobody sees their potential.
yeah. im not sure if taking out tren would make any difference though, test in the 1-2 gram range will kill your cholesterol aswell..
my BP actually only went down maybe 10 points at best during my cruise... but that depends on other factors too.

if i cheat on my diet (=overeat) i can be 99% sure that im gonna have +10-15 points on my BP the next morning. i dont do that anymore, maybe on special occasions as christmas, otherwise i stick to my calories.
if i have a bad injection and im limping or whatever or some spot is inflamed my BP is always much higher too. so i only use low concentrations of gear that dont cause pip (but huge amounts, lol)

i cant donate blood here when on AAS, its against the law. could schedule phlebotomies i guess, but thats pointless imo. gotta treat problems, not symptoms.

Do you do any cardio ?