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Re: Getbigger Donald Trump officially running for President.
« Reply #100 on: July 01, 2015, 05:02:20 PM »
"Americans" or Republicans?

In the past, the country has been split pretty 50/50... or, 47/47 with the middle 6% deciding every election.

The fact that 60% of americans support gay marriage means a whole lot of repubs feel differently than the repub politicians.  Even if 100% of dems support gay marriage, that means 20% of repubs have to support it too.

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« Reply #101 on: July 01, 2015, 05:26:26 PM »
In the past, the country has been split pretty 50/50... or, 47/47 with the middle 6% deciding every election.

The fact that 60% of americans support gay marriage means a whole lot of repubs feel differently than the repub politicians.  Even if 100% of dems support gay marriage, that means 20% of repubs have to support it too.

So where's our party? Much less a f'n candidate.

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« Reply #102 on: July 01, 2015, 05:30:58 PM »
So where's our party? Much less a f'n candidate.

The repub party is split down the middle.

1/2 tea party = cruz, rand, they want to close the border, they want to spend less, and return to moral good ol' days

1/2 RINOs = jeb, romney, they want to open borders, they are cokeheads who sleep around, marry 5 times, and tell others how to live while gloating about their 'wild days' when they voted clinton/gore and had orgies.

The first group are the reagan repubs, the second are the bush repubs.  And the reagan repubs didn't bother showing up for mccain or romney. 

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« Reply #103 on: July 01, 2015, 05:40:29 PM »
The repub party is split down the middle.

1/2 tea party = cruz, rand, they want to close the border, they want to spend less, and return to moral good ol' days

1/2 RINOs = jeb, romney, they want to open borders, they are cokeheads who sleep around, marry 5 times, and tell others how to live while gloating about their 'wild days' when they voted clinton/gore and had orgies.

The first group are the reagan repubs, the second are the bush repubs.  And the reagan repubs didn't bother showing up for mccain or romney. 

See, no one represents common sense conservative. Classical Liberals - fiscally conservative, socially liberal, where the fuck did they go?

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« Reply #104 on: July 01, 2015, 05:44:51 PM »
Libertarian... Check out Gary Johnson.

They've been an embarrassment so far. Way too single-minded on the 'Legalize' bullshit, like this alone's gonna get anyone elected.' Plus, they're childish on foreign policy.

Also not feeling the whole zero government, free market'll fix EVERYTHING delusion. Why is everything all or nothing with these guys?

But I'll check out your guy, promise.

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« Reply #105 on: July 01, 2015, 05:46:59 PM »
The repub party is split down the middle.

1/2 tea party = cruz, rand, they want to close the border, they want to spend less, and return to moral good ol' days

1/2 RINOs = jeb, romney, they want to open borders, they are cokeheads who sleep around, marry 5 times, and tell others how to live while gloating about their 'wild days' when they voted clinton/gore and had orgies.

The first group are the reagan repubs, the second are the bush repubs.  And the reagan repubs didn't bother showing up for mccain or romney. 
???
Reagan was very liberal by todays standards so I don't understand any of the above.  ???

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« Reply #106 on: July 01, 2015, 05:48:37 PM »
???
Reagan was very liberal by todays standards so I don't understand any of the above.  ???

In certain areas, yeah.

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« Reply #107 on: July 01, 2015, 06:00:49 PM »
???
Reagan was very liberal by todays standards so I don't understand any of the above.  ???

you are correct.  Amnesty for millions, skyrocketed taxes, tripled the size of govt, gave guns to bad guys in S America/central, under-reacted to attacks, and even started the taleban.

But the MEMORY of reagan that repubs swear to - in that memory, however inaccurate - Reagan is this stalwart conservative that ended Carter's reign, saved the economy, blah blah.   See, I'm factoring in their fcking ignorance.  The perception of reagan is what fuels the tea party, not reagan himself.  most are too lazy to look up the history or can't get wifi in that part of the Appalachian mountains where their trailer sits.

So I should be clearer -
Half of today's repubs are liberals that hate obama and/or amnesty (like trump)
Half of today's repubs are married to a fictitious remembrance of a romanticized reagan policy spoon fed to them by fox "news".

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« Reply #108 on: July 01, 2015, 06:09:02 PM »
Raised taxes 7 out of 8 years.


Yes, though much went to defense. He wasn't interested in Nixon's policy of 'detente' with the Soviets; he was determined to hasten an economic collapse, which (depending on whose book you read) he helped accomplish. Came with a price tag, though.

Also supported the Brady Bill, which wasn't very Republican. And he gave amnesty to three million illegals.

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« Reply #109 on: July 01, 2015, 06:11:30 PM »
Also supported the Brady Bill, which wasn't very Republican

1. Paved the way for Obamacare
Reagan-LPcoverCREDIT: WIKIMEDIA COMMONS
Reagan’s health policy previewed Obamacare in three major ways. First, Reagan signed Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA), the law barring hospitals from turning away patients on grounds of their insurance or citizenship — a preview of Obamacare’s ban on insurance discrimination against individuals with preexisting conditions. Second, Reagan doubled the size of Medicaid over the course of his presidency to pay for all of those new uninsured patients — a huge Obamacare-style Medicaid expansion. Third, Reagan pushed something called Diagnosis Related Groups (DRGs), which essentially had the government set the prices Medicare was willing to pay for each Medicare admission rather than pay for reimburse doctors per cost. DRGs cut Medicare costs by $49 billion by 1986, proving a promising trial for the sorts of Medicare payment reform policies you can find in Obamacare.

2. Amnesty for undocumented immigrants
Immigrant sailors being naturalized aboard the USS Ronald Reagan.Immigrant sailors being naturalized aboard the USS Ronald Reagan.CREDIT: WIKIMEDIA COMMONS
In 1986, Reagan signed the Simpson-Mazzoli Act, a bipartisan immigration reform bill that created a pathway to citizenship for 3 million undocumented immigrants. Simpson-Mazzoli is now referred to by some conservatives as the “Reagan amnesty,” and came up during both the 2007 and 2013 immigration reform debates.

3. Successfully pushed for an assault weapons ban
REAGAN LAW AND ORDER
Before the National Rifle Association became what it was today, Reagan worked with them to ban guns. Specifically, automatic weapons: civilians were legally allowed to own fully automatic rifles until 1986, when Reagan signed the Firearm Owners’ Protection Act banning them. After his Presidency, Reagan backed the Brady gun law establishing many of the major restrictions on gun purchases today. His support for the 1994 Assault Weapon Ban pushed the ban to its two vote margin of victory — according to two of the Congressmen who made the difference.

4. Grew the federal government, big time
obama-reagan-spendingCREDIT: EZRA KLEIN
Reagan’s record belies his reputation as a huge foe of government. Reagan built a progressive tax system to fund Social Security, and funded the creation of a new federal department (the Department of Veterans’ Affairs). Much of Reagan’s spending, including his defense buildup, was funded by deficit spending. If Obama spent like Reagan, the deficit would be much, much higher.

5. Dealt with Russia to build a world free of nuclear weapons
reagan gorbachev 2CREDIT: WIKIMEDIA COMMONS
Back when there was an actual Soviet Union, Reagan kicked off negotiations aimed at reducing the nuclear threat — negotiations that eventually morphed into the START treaty. In his memoir, Reagan wrote that “[m]y dream…became a world free of nuclear weapons.” After START expired in 2009, its replacement (NEW START) was ratified over the bitter objections of a majority of Senate Republicans.

6. Wanted to make millionaires pay more in taxes
Ronald_Reagan_and_Genera l_Electric_Theater_1954-62CREDIT: WIKIMEDIA COMMONS
Reagan despised tax loopholes that allowed millionaires to skate around their tax obligations. “Tax loopholes,” according to the Gipper, “sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy.” It’s crazy, he said, because the “truly wealthy” were avoiding “paying their fair share.”

7. Passed environmental regulations that are now being used to fight climate change

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« Reply #110 on: July 01, 2015, 06:12:56 PM »
you are correct.  Amnesty for millions, skyrocketed taxes, tripled the size of govt, gave guns to bad guys in S America/central, under-reacted to attacks, and even started the taleban.

But the MEMORY of reagan that repubs swear to - in that memory, however inaccurate - Reagan is this stalwart conservative that ended Carter's reign, saved the economy, blah blah.   See, I'm factoring in their fcking ignorance.  The perception of reagan is what fuels the tea party, not reagan himself.  most are too lazy to look up the history or can't get wifi in that part of the Appalachian mountains where their trailer sits.

So I should be clearer -
Half of today's repubs are liberals that hate obama and/or amnesty (like trump)
Half of today's repubs are married to a fictitious remembrance of a romanticized reagan policy spoon fed to them by fox "news".
Ahh, that makes sense.

The myth has overtaken the truth so it only matters what they think Reagan is versus what he actually was and how he governed.  You would think they would choose someone better, not that there is a lot to choose from that fit their idea of "Conservative".  I am drawing a blank at the moment trying to think of someone who actually fits their idea "Conservative" match.  Calvin Coolidge would be a better pick than Reagan any day of the week.

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« Reply #111 on: July 01, 2015, 06:16:35 PM »
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« Reply #112 on: July 01, 2015, 06:19:18 PM »
Wait, so now you hate him for being too liberal?

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« Reply #113 on: July 01, 2015, 06:19:58 PM »
Wait, so now you hate him for being too liberal?
???

I hate the people who don't realize that he was liberal. 

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« Reply #114 on: July 01, 2015, 06:23:51 PM »
1. Paved the way for Obamacare
Reagan-LPcoverCREDIT: WIKIMEDIA COMMONS
Reagan’s health policy previewed Obamacare in three major ways. First, Reagan signed Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA), the law barring hospitals from turning away patients on grounds of their insurance or citizenship — a preview of Obamacare’s ban on insurance discrimination against individuals with preexisting conditions. Second, Reagan doubled the size of Medicaid over the course of his presidency to pay for all of those new uninsured patients — a huge Obamacare-style Medicaid expansion. Third, Reagan pushed something called Diagnosis Related Groups (DRGs), which essentially had the government set the prices Medicare was willing to pay for each Medicare admission rather than pay for reimburse doctors per cost. DRGs cut Medicare costs by $49 billion by 1986, proving a promising trial for the sorts of Medicare payment reform policies you can find in Obamacare.

2. Amnesty for undocumented immigrants
Immigrant sailors being naturalized aboard the USS Ronald Reagan.Immigrant sailors being naturalized aboard the USS Ronald Reagan.CREDIT: WIKIMEDIA COMMONS
In 1986, Reagan signed the Simpson-Mazzoli Act, a bipartisan immigration reform bill that created a pathway to citizenship for 3 million undocumented immigrants. Simpson-Mazzoli is now referred to by some conservatives as the “Reagan amnesty,” and came up during both the 2007 and 2013 immigration reform debates.

3. Successfully pushed for an assault weapons ban
REAGAN LAW AND ORDER
Before the National Rifle Association became what it was today, Reagan worked with them to ban guns. Specifically, automatic weapons: civilians were legally allowed to own fully automatic rifles until 1986, when Reagan signed the Firearm Owners’ Protection Act banning them. After his Presidency, Reagan backed the Brady gun law establishing many of the major restrictions on gun purchases today. His support for the 1994 Assault Weapon Ban pushed the ban to its two vote margin of victory — according to two of the Congressmen who made the difference.

4. Grew the federal government, big time
obama-reagan-spendingCREDIT: EZRA KLEIN
Reagan’s record belies his reputation as a huge foe of government. Reagan built a progressive tax system to fund Social Security, and funded the creation of a new federal department (the Department of Veterans’ Affairs). Much of Reagan’s spending, including his defense buildup, was funded by deficit spending. If Obama spent like Reagan, the deficit would be much, much higher.

5. Dealt with Russia to build a world free of nuclear weapons
reagan gorbachev 2CREDIT: WIKIMEDIA COMMONS
Back when there was an actual Soviet Union, Reagan kicked off negotiations aimed at reducing the nuclear threat — negotiations that eventually morphed into the START treaty. In his memoir, Reagan wrote that “[m]y dream…became a world free of nuclear weapons.” After START expired in 2009, its replacement (NEW START) was ratified over the bitter objections of a majority of Senate Republicans.

6. Wanted to make millionaires pay more in taxes
Ronald_Reagan_and_Genera l_Electric_Theater_1954-62CREDIT: WIKIMEDIA COMMONS
Reagan despised tax loopholes that allowed millionaires to skate around their tax obligations. “Tax loopholes,” according to the Gipper, “sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy.” It’s crazy, he said, because the “truly wealthy” were avoiding “paying their fair share.”

7. Passed environmental regulations that are now being used to fight climate change


And still deserves a spot on Rushmore.


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« Reply #115 on: July 01, 2015, 06:30:39 PM »
???

I hate the people who don't realize that he was liberal. 

Like Gorbachev and Gaddafi?

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« Reply #116 on: July 01, 2015, 06:31:03 PM »
And still deserves a spot on Rushmore.


Bullshit.

If anyone deserves a spot on Rushmore its James Polk.  To date he has been the most successful President in history.  Every single goal of his was accomplished, all in one term.  He increased the size of the United States more than any president and used the US military more effectively than any other President in history.  

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« Reply #117 on: July 01, 2015, 07:35:52 PM »
Bullshit.

If anyone deserves a spot on Rushmore its James Polk.  To date he has been the most successful President in history.  Every single goal of his was accomplished, all in one term.  He increased the size of the United States more than any president and used the US military more effectively than any other President in history.  

You're right, Ronnie needs his own mountain. Maybe one up by his old Santa Barbara ranch somewhere, though they really don't have anything big enough there. It really needs to be HUGE.

And I wouldn't put Polk in South Dakota, too far from the southern border. He needs to be somewhere closer to Mexico, staring down at them, reminding them how easy it would be for us to take the whole f'n enchilada.

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« Reply #118 on: July 01, 2015, 08:16:40 PM »
Bullshit.

If anyone deserves a spot on Rushmore its James Polk.  To date he has been the most successful President in history.  Every single goal of his was accomplished, all in one term.  He increased the size of the United States more than any president and used the US military more effectively than any other President in history.  

He was an effective President and is from your neck of the woods.
Hmmm, are you his descendent...he looks a lot like you?  :D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_K._Polk

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« Reply #119 on: July 01, 2015, 09:12:07 PM »
Some liberal positions that many repubs hold?

homosexuality?
63 percent of Americans now say gay or lesbian relations are "morally acceptable."

gay marraige?
60% of americans support it.


Traditional marriage?
Americans today are also more accepting of having a child out of wedlock: 61 percent said it's OK, compared with 45 percent in 2001. And some 68 percent of Americans now say sex outside of marriage is acceptable, compared with 53 percent in 2001.

gambling, suicide... many other issues.  Gallup lays it out here.  Old people are dying and taking their values with them.  Today's repubs aren't as strict as they used to be_ http://www.gallup.com/poll/183413/americans-continue-shift-left-key-moral-issues.aspx



Is that true? Maybe you're right but why is it voted down every time it comes up? And isn't that the whole reason why it went to the Supreme Court? When Libs can't get their way via the Legislative process or popular vote they always take it to the court. They've realize that if they keep doing this over and over eventually they will win no matter what the majority of the people want.

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« Reply #120 on: July 01, 2015, 09:15:48 PM »
Is that true? Maybe you're right but why is it voted down every time it comes up? And isn't that the whole reason why it went to the Supreme Court? When Libs can't get their way via the Legislative process or popular vote they always take it to the court. They've realize that if they keep doing this over and over eventually they will win no matter what the majority of the people want.

I'm sure.  60% of americans support it, and some form of it already existed in 34 states before the SCOTUS verdict this past week.

A record-high 60% of Americans support same-sex marriage, according to a Gallup poll published Tuesday, about a month before the Supreme Court could issue a ruling on the issue.

http://time.com/3890179/gallup-poll-gay-marriage/

There are plenty more polls.  Support for it has been creeping up thru the years, it's the majority of Americans for some time now.

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« Reply #121 on: July 01, 2015, 09:22:29 PM »


1/2 tea party = cruz, rand, they want to close the border, they want to spend less, and return to moral good ol' days


dont associate rand with that assclown and 'party'

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« Reply #122 on: July 01, 2015, 09:41:08 PM »
Trump digging in, defending the rape comments.




Trump defends inflammatory comments, asks 'Who is doing the raping?'


Source: cnn

On Wednesday, Trump, who is a Republican presidential candidate, told Lemon he was pulling his facts from a Fusion article.
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"Well if you look at the statistics of people coming, you look at the statistics on rape, on crime, on everything coming in illegally into this country it's mind-boggling!" he told Lemon, in a clip previewed on CNN's "Situation Room."

"If you go to Fusion, you will see a story: About 80% of the women coming in, you know who owns Fusion? Univision! Go to Fusion and pick up the stories on rape. It's unbelievable when you look at what's going on. So all I'm doing is telling the truth," Trump said.

Lemon replied that the press stories are about women being raped, but not about criminals coming across the border.


"Well, somebody's doing the raping, Don! I mean somebody's doing it! Who's doing the raping? Who's doing the raping?" he asked

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/01/politics/donald-trump-immigrants-raping-comments/index.html

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« Reply #123 on: July 01, 2015, 09:44:58 PM »
I'm sure.  60% of americans support it, and some form of it already existed in 34 states before the SCOTUS verdict this past week.

A record-high 60% of Americans support same-sex marriage, according to a Gallup poll published Tuesday, about a month before the Supreme Court could issue a ruling on the issue.

http://time.com/3890179/gallup-poll-gay-marriage/

There are plenty more polls.  Support for it has been creeping up thru the years, it's the majority of Americans for some time now.

Seems odd that it gets voted down.

Of course there are some subtleties in these positions. I believe people can do whatever they want as long as they don't present a clear danger to others nor hurt or infringe on the rights of others. I don't have a problem with gay or same sex  people getting married or living however they want. I remember a friend of mine showing me his invitation to Bob Paris' wedding. Didn't bother me.

What I am against is when others, such as the same sex marriage crowd, demand and require that others recognize, accept and even honor their life style. They want special rights. They want to change the law to accommodate them. Now if society decides they do want to change the law then so be it. It shouldn't be left to five unelected Judges to decided for the rest us. The powers of the Federal Government as stated in the Constitution is very limited and clearly defined. The rest is left up to the States and the People.

Look, for all practical purposes, Hugh Hefner lived his life as a Polygamous. But nobody gave a crap as he didn't impose his life style of others. He just did his thing and didn't bother anybody.

Again I want to be clear: People who support same sex marriage want special rights and not equal rights. They obfuscate the issue by calling it Gay Marriage. Gays have the same rights as everybody else to marry. As Arnold once said when he first ran for governor:  "I support Gay marriage as long as it's between a man and a woman."  

That's why I doubt that Gallop Poll. It doesn't take into account the subtleties of the issue. I think people get confused. I think the majority don't oppose and accept Gay relationships as oppose to supporting it. This matters. For example if I had a choice if my son would be born gay or straight I wouldn't just toss a coin. I would want my son to be straight. But if he wasn't I would accept that fact. But I won't lie to myself and say it doesn't matter that when he goes out on his first date it's hand and hand with a girl or hand and hand with a boy.

Not being opposed, or even supporting, Gay relationships is quite different from passing a law that requires, under Government coercion; to support, honor and endorse it.

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« Reply #124 on: July 01, 2015, 09:48:47 PM »