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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #9700 on: August 30, 2023, 02:18:17 AM »
Hell yeah!

This was overturning the decision that the ETF would not be considered. Now, the SEC will consider it and then reject it…..

Grayscale isn’t on the cards to be approved. Blackrock is. Grayscale will bleed out for a decade which will keep price suppressed.

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« Reply #9701 on: August 30, 2023, 10:42:53 AM »
My bet is that the SEC will not appeal. That then opens the way for GBTC to convert to an ETF at the same time as Blockrock and others get approved. And all this probably before the halving. If so, buckle up and enjoy the ride!

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« Reply #9702 on: August 30, 2023, 04:37:03 PM »
My bet is that the SEC will not appeal. That then opens the way for GBTC to convert to an ETF at the same time as Blockrock and others get approved. And all this probably before the halving. If so, buckle up and enjoy the ride!

They don’t have to appeal.

It opens to door to SEC officially rejecting the application….. again…..

History tells us this:
Blackrock have a 99.8% approval rate for ETF.
Grayscale have a 100% REJECTED rate for Bitcoin ETF

If it was me I’d approve Blackrock first then reject Grayscale straight after. The bleed out from Grayscale will be enormous over the following 12 months as customers switch to the ETF with no lock in period and lower fees.

If it plays out like this the run up will be awesome followed by a massive capitulation and huge dump.


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« Reply #9703 on: September 12, 2023, 02:39:14 PM »
XRP is down because the SEC sued Ripple and this caused many exchanges to delist it. Believe what you want. XRP will probably go to $10 at some point.

XRP dumped -76% after winning the SEC case. That continues to be an absolutely brutal trendline.

So many fuckers trapped, nobody running through the doors to buy it. The same as almost every other alt coin who had a run up in 2021.

This next cycle will be a whimper and older coins like this will merely bleed out.

The only hope for a big return in the next few years is basically buy some stupid piece of shit frog coin lol.

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« Reply #9704 on: September 12, 2023, 07:17:54 PM »
XRP dumped -76% after winning the SEC case. That continues to be an absolutely brutal trendline.

So many fuckers trapped, nobody running through the doors to buy it. The same as almost every other alt coin who had a run up in 2021.

This next cycle will be a whimper and older coins like this will merely bleed out.

The only hope for a big return in the next few years is basically buy some stupid piece of shit frog coin lol.
How are you calculating that? Looking at the chart, it dropped about 42.68%

https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/algebra/percentage-decrease-calculator.php

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« Reply #9705 on: September 12, 2023, 07:24:38 PM »

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« Reply #9706 on: September 14, 2023, 04:28:12 PM »
How are you calculating that? Looking at the chart, it dropped about 42.68%

https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/algebra/percentage-decrease-calculator.php

Wick to wick from 2021 peak.

Wick to wick from the recent peak is a -58% dump. That’s -58% after winning the biggest and years long law suit with the SEC.

It did nothing different to DOGE since the bottom.

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« Reply #9707 on: September 14, 2023, 04:31:42 PM »
Wick to wick from 2021 peak.

Wick to wick from the recent peak is a -58% dump. That’s -58% after winning the biggest and years long law suit with the SEC.

It did nothing different to DOGE since the bottom.
You said it dropped -76% after winning the SEC case. The way I read that is you are saying since winning the case a few months ago it dropped 76%. But it dropped around 42%.

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« Reply #9708 on: September 14, 2023, 10:28:40 PM »
XRP (or rather Ripple, who issued illegal securities in the form of XRP "tokens") didn't win any case against the SEC. The case is still running. However, there was one part of the judgement which many people without legal knowledge interpreted as being positive for the legitimacy (or non-illegality) of trading illegally issued securities. That part of the judgement was very obviously wrong, and the SEC will appeal, and obviously will win on that point.

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« Reply #9709 on: September 15, 2023, 12:53:00 PM »
You said it dropped -76% after winning the SEC case. The way I read that is you are saying since winning the case a few months ago it dropped 76%. But it dropped around 42%.

I did. A poor error when I grabbed the wrong wick on my tiny iPhone screen.

The wick to wick dump post SEC is -58% on Kraken.

It did nothing different to DOGE but maxis with blinkers on can’t see that. And gib is right, it wasn’t a win for everything but only 1 part.


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« Reply #9710 on: September 15, 2023, 03:25:57 PM »
XRP (or rather Ripple, who issued illegal securities in the form of XRP "tokens") didn't win any case against the SEC. The case is still running. However, there was one part of the judgement which many people without legal knowledge interpreted as being positive for the legitimacy (or non-illegality) of trading illegally issued securities. That part of the judgement was very obviously wrong, and the SEC will appeal, and obviously will win on that point.
It was a partial win for Ripple according to many sources. Here's what Judge Torres said:

"Torres ruled that Ripple's XRP sales on public cryptocurrency exchanges were not offers of securities under the law, because purchasers did not have a reasonable expectation of profit tied to Ripple's efforts.

Those sales were "blind bid/ask transactions," she said, in which buyers "could not have known if their payments of money went to Ripple, or any other seller of XRP."


The SEC appealed. We'll see what happens. Ripple can also appeal. btw.

Ripple Labs notches landmark win in SEC case over XRP cryptocurrency
https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-judge-says-sec-lawsuit-vs-ripple-labs-can-proceed-trial-some-claims-2023-07-13/

Gib, Bitcoin Maxis are their own worse enemies. All crypto projects need to stand together against the tyranny of governments. When has the SEC ever protected investors? Why are Bitcoin Maxis championing the SEC? Are they too dumb to realize governments will be coming after Bitcoin also if they succeed in suppressing alts?

Don't be divided and conquered! I want to see all crypto projects succeed, including Bitcoin.

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« Reply #9711 on: September 15, 2023, 11:28:41 PM »
I hold 1400 SOL in a hard wallet ledger.
I hope to be a millionaire one day.
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« Reply #9712 on: September 17, 2023, 04:11:17 AM »
It was a partial win for Ripple according to many sources. Here's what Judge Torres said:

"Torres ruled that Ripple's XRP sales on public cryptocurrency exchanges were not offers of securities under the law, because purchasers did not have a reasonable expectation of profit tied to Ripple's efforts.

Those sales were "blind bid/ask transactions," she said, in which buyers "could not have known if their payments of money went to Ripple, or any other seller of XRP."


The SEC appealed. We'll see what happens. Ripple can also appeal. btw.

Ripple Labs notches landmark win in SEC case over XRP cryptocurrency
https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-judge-says-sec-lawsuit-vs-ripple-labs-can-proceed-trial-some-claims-2023-07-13/

Gib, Bitcoin Maxis are their own worse enemies. All crypto projects need to stand together against the tyranny of governments. When has the SEC ever protected investors? Why are Bitcoin Maxis championing the SEC? Are they too dumb to realize governments will be coming after Bitcoin also if they succeed in suppressing alts?

Don't be divided and conquered! I want to see all crypto projects succeed, including Bitcoin.


Correct.

But they are the equivalent of religious fundamentalists and attempting to debate with them is a waste of time.

They fail to understand basic human psychology and how a free market functions.

In their minds only one cryptocurrency can exist in a market which has zero competition, alternatives, choices or different uses for consumers.

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« Reply #9713 on: September 17, 2023, 11:06:25 AM »
XRP (or rather Ripple, who issued illegal securities in the form of XRP "tokens") didn't win any case against the SEC. The case is still running. However, there was one part of the judgement which many people without legal knowledge interpreted as being positive for the legitimacy (or non-illegality) of trading illegally issued securities. That part of the judgement was very obviously wrong, and the SEC will appeal, and obviously will win on that point.

Swallow the L brother Gib. Best not to say anything until it get overturned. (I agree with you btw, but from my own trading point of view I'd rather see the judgment stand)

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« Reply #9714 on: September 18, 2023, 09:00:39 AM »
Great clip here:

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #9715 on: September 20, 2023, 06:01:58 AM »

Anyway…..

Here is where I’m at for some narrowed down peak BTC price periods

April 2024
Mid-late 2027

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« Reply #9716 on: September 20, 2023, 06:17:46 AM »
Great clip here:

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Yep, great clip, this tard who leveraged up his company to buy BTC at 50k and is down 2 billion at the moment must be in the know... ;D

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« Reply #9717 on: September 21, 2023, 01:19:22 AM »
Yep, great clip, this tard who leveraged up his company to buy BTC at 50k and is down 2 billion at the moment must be in the know... ;D
Saylor is looking more and more haggard as time goes on. Dude must be drinking himself into a stupor every night!

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« Reply #9718 on: September 21, 2023, 01:31:44 AM »
Just lol at all you dorkus malorkuses floundering around in a panic about your imaginary coins and how to launder money, etc. Ask me how much money I made last year through spice trading. I dare you.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #9719 on: September 29, 2023, 02:52:51 PM »
https://cryptobriefing.com/sec-rushes-ethereum-futures-etf-approvals-before-government-shutdown/

SEC Rushes Ethereum Futures ETF Approvals Before Government Shutdown

Ethereum futures ETFs to launch next week amid SEC rush.

The Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) is rushing to approve Ethereum products before the government shutdown on October 1st, according to Bloomberg ETF expert Eric Balchunas. Valkyrie, VanEck, ProShares, Bitwise, Hashdex, and Volatility Shares all expect to begin trading their Ether futures ETFs on Monday.

Today, Valkyrie’s chief investment officer Steven McClurg told Reuters that the investment manager obtained SEC approval to convert its existing Bitcoin futures fund into an ETF investing in both Bitcoin and Ethereum futures. The renamed Valkyrie Bitcoin and Ether Strategy ETF (BTF) will start trading on the NYSE on October 2.

McClurg said that rival asset managers VanEck and ProShares have also received approval from the SEC to list their Ether futures ETFs.

VanEck filed for the VanEck Ethereum Strategy ETF (EFUT), which will be the first active ETH futures ETF with the lowest expense ratio of 0.6%.

Rivals ProShares and Bitwise have also announced filings for three and two Ethereum ETFs respectively, pending SEC approval.

Additionally, Hashdex and Volatility Shares ETFs linked to Ethereum futures are also slated to begin trading on Monday, according to Bloomberg analyst James Seyffart. Hashdex partnered with Kelly ETFs on an Ether ETF called EX, while Volatility Shares’ ETHU will charge the highest fee at 1.1%.

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« Reply #9720 on: October 03, 2023, 11:51:39 PM »
XRP (or rather Ripple, who issued illegal securities in the form of XRP "tokens") didn't win any case against the SEC. The case is still running. However, there was one part of the judgement which many people without legal knowledge interpreted as being positive for the legitimacy (or non-illegality) of trading illegally issued securities. That part of the judgement was very obviously wrong, and the SEC will appeal, and obviously will win on that point.

Sorry bro. The motion by the SEC for an interlocutory appeal has been DENIED

Add to that ETH futures ETFs are now live, so very unlikely that ETH gets declared a security. Multiple Ls...


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« Reply #9721 on: October 04, 2023, 10:19:00 AM »
XRP (or rather Ripple, who issued illegal securities in the form of XRP "tokens") didn't win any case against the SEC. The case is still running. However, there was one part of the judgement which many people without legal knowledge interpreted as being positive for the legitimacy (or non-illegality) of trading illegally issued securities. That part of the judgement was very obviously wrong, and the SEC will appeal, and obviously will win on that point.
Now it is official! What do you say?!

https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-sec-cannot-appeal-ripple-labs-decision-judge-rules-2023-10-04/

US SEC cannot appeal Ripple Labs decision, judge rules

NEW YORK, Oct 3 (Reuters) - A federal judge on Tuesday refused to let the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission appeal her recent decision involving Ripple Labs, a ruling that has been seen as a major defeat for the regulator in its effort to police cryptocurrency markets.

In her July 13 decision, U.S. District Judge Analisa Torres in Manhattan had ruled that the sale of Ripple's XRP digital token on public exchanges complied with federal securities laws because purchasers had no reasonable expectation of profit based on Ripple's efforts.

The SEC had sought permission to appeal Torres' findings about "programmatic" sales of XRP and about "other distributions" of XRP as a means of payment for services, saying an appeal would be important to a "large number" of lawsuits.

But the judge found no "substantial ground for difference of opinion" about her findings, and did not agree that an appeal would materially advance the case toward a conclusion.

She also said her decision did not conflict with a July 31 ruling by U.S. District Judge Jed Rakoff in Manhattan, who said the SEC had a "plausible claim" that Terraform Labs' Terra USD token was a security when sold on public exchanges.

Torres said Rakoff had been considering Terraform's motion to dismiss the SEC case, and was required to accept all reasonable inferences in the regulator's favor.

A trial in the Ripple case is scheduled for April 23, 2024.

The SEC did not immediately respond to requests for comment after market hours. Lawyers for Ripple, Chief Executive Brad Garlinghouse and co-founder Chris Larsen did not immediately respond to similar requests.

In its December 2020 lawsuit, the SEC accused Ripple of illegally raising more than $1.3 billion in an unregistered securities offering by selling XRP.

The SEC has long claimed that many digital assets are securities, as are stocks and bonds, and that it has power to regulate them.

Its other lawsuits include cases against Binance, the world's largest cryptocurrency platform, and Coinbase (COIN.O), the largest U.S. cryptocurrency platform.

Torres had found in July that only some XRP sales violated federal securities laws.

The case is SEC v Ripple Labs Inc et al, U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York, No. 20-10832.

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« Reply #9722 on: October 04, 2023, 11:02:31 AM »
Now it is official! What do you say?!

https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-sec-cannot-appeal-ripple-labs-decision-judge-rules-2023-10-04/

US SEC cannot appeal Ripple Labs decision, judge rules



The decision was a huge FU to the SEC. They basically got slapped down and told to shut up, but they can still appeal once the case starts.

You still don't want to be buying XRP

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« Reply #9723 on: October 04, 2023, 11:04:54 AM »
The decision was a huge FU to the SEC. They basically got slapped down and told to shut up, but they can still appeal once the case starts.

You still don't want to be buying XRP
I acquired XRP back in 2017-2018. Never sold it. Just going to leave it. If it goes to $8-10 I'll cash some of it.

Solana looks interesting now. It survived FTX, and VISA has added support for Solana, in addition to Ethereum.

https://www.thestreet.com/crypto/markets/visa-makes-history-with-solana-blockchain-integration

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« Reply #9724 on: October 06, 2023, 12:10:30 AM »
I acquired XRP back in 2017-2018. Never sold it. Just going to leave it. If it goes to $8-10 I'll cash some of it.

Solana looks interesting now. It survived FTX, and VISA has added support for Solana, in addition to Ethereum.


https://www.thestreet.com/crypto/markets/visa-makes-history-with-solana-blockchain-integration

There are 9.1M SOL coins that have been unlocked from the FTX estate that need to be sold. Ideally it all gets sold in the bear market and nukes SOL under $5 or something, but who knows when or how they plan on selling. It is a good all or nothing speculative buy though and I've been surprised how much work the devs have been doing on it since the FTX cascade.


Also don't forget it was classed as an unregistered security by the SEC. Can you still buy and sell it without issue?