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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11025 on: June 16, 2024, 03:54:50 AM »
I fixed my typo after I looked into it per Fortress - Worse = Worst  ;D

My ETH position? Because it went to POS? I've used my fair share of energy over the years. I mined ETH on and off for 4 years and had some decent energy bills to take care of.  ;D

Those are pretty big numbers. $500,000?!

I mean your love for altcoin Eth.

500k aud not usd.

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« Reply #11026 on: June 16, 2024, 02:48:53 PM »
I mean your love for altcoin Eth.

500k aud not usd.
Why does preferring ETH not equal liking Muscle Cars? The two are unrelated.  ;D ???

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« Reply #11027 on: June 18, 2024, 08:11:01 PM »
Good news! ETH price going up because of this.

https://cryptobriefing.com/sec-ethereum-decision-cleared/

The SEC closes investigation into Ethereum 2.0, no securities charges against ETH: Consensys

The US Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) has wrapped up its investigation into Ethereum 2.0 and will no longer pursue legal action claiming that ETH sales are securities transactions, according to a recent announcement from Consensys.

https://x.com/Consensys/status/1803230653120659641

ETHEREUM SURVIVES THE SEC.

Today we’re happy to announce a major win for Ethereum developers, technology providers, and industry participants: the Enforcement Division of the SEC has notified us that it is closing its investigation into Ethereum 2.0.

This means that the SEC will not bring charges alleging that sales of ETH are securities transactions.


Consensys said this is a major win for Ethereum developers and businesses. It removes a cloud of uncertainty that could have hampered Ethereum’s growth.

As noted, the SEC’s decision comes after Consensys sent a letter to the SEC arguing that the recent approval of spot Ethereum ETFs implied ETH wasn’t a security, and the SEC should close the investigation. The SEC’s decision likely hinged on considering ETH a commodity, much like BTC, and signifies no forthcoming legal challenges in this regard.

Despite this progress, Consensys said the quest for definitive regulatory guidelines continues, especially concerning services like MetaMask Swaps and Staking. The team is still seeking broader clarity from the SEC on crypto regulations.

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« Reply #11028 on: June 19, 2024, 05:00:16 PM »
Old video showing the day Bitcoin crashed to 1 cent, from $32 a few days prior in 2011. Epic crash! Amazing how Bitcoin recovered!


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« Reply #11029 on: June 20, 2024, 01:03:09 AM »
Old video showing the day Bitcoin crashed to 1 cent, from $32 a few days prior in 2011. Epic crash! Amazing how Bitcoin recovered!



Thin books and spoofed orders. Binance AU were shockers and spoofed their volume and orderbook. I remember watching my limit order sit and have price move above my order without me being filled 😂 so dodgy, no shock they got banned here.

I’m hoping BTC doesn’t ATH in October.


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« Reply #11030 on: June 21, 2024, 08:34:05 PM »
Thin books and spoofed orders. Binance AU were shockers and spoofed their volume and orderbook. I remember watching my limit order sit and have price move above my order without me being filled 😂 so dodgy, no shock they got banned here.

I’m hoping BTC doesn’t ATH in October.

That’s around 200 days post halving.

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« Reply #11031 on: June 22, 2024, 01:25:04 PM »
That’s around 200 days post halving.

What does the 200 mean? Should that tell us something?

Sorry, I’m unsure what it is you are pointing out.

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« Reply #11032 on: June 22, 2024, 05:40:37 PM »
Historically 200 days post halving is when BTC price to rally to ATH.

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« Reply #11033 on: June 24, 2024, 02:24:38 PM »
Take a moment for dip buyers. You are now round tripped. Take note of how it feels and it hasn’t even broken down to the next level yet.

This is why even though I bought at 17.5k I sold at 73.1k.

This cycle will end with a huge round trip and then sub 15k. It’s not over yet but it’s important to note this moment because when the price doesn’t go anywhere nears the spastic predictions people are claiming, you will be round tripped. Back to square one…… then you will go underwater…..

It’s an emotional roller coaster that I suspect many on this thread are burned out from as it’s dead quiet.

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« Reply #11034 on: June 24, 2024, 02:27:54 PM »

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« Reply #11035 on: June 24, 2024, 03:20:00 PM »
Take a moment for dip buyers. You are now round tripped. Take note of how it feels and it hasn’t even broken down to the next level yet.

This is why even though I bought at 17.5k I sold at 73.1k.

This cycle will end with a huge round trip and then sub 15k. It’s not over yet but it’s important to note this moment because when the price doesn’t go anywhere nears the spastic predictions people are claiming, you will be round tripped. Back to square one…… then you will go underwater…..

It’s an emotional roller coaster that I suspect many on this thread are burned out from as it’s dead quiet.
Looking at the BTC chart I see higher lows every 4 years. During the 2017 bull run BTC went to $19.8k and then dumped to $3k. In 2021 it went to $68k and then dumped to $15k.

We are still early IMO. The $74k ATH was a bonus because of the ETF euphoria. Ethereum has not even surpassed the previous ATH. If you look at the ETH charts you'll see a similar picture unfold. Higher lows. And higher highs. Zoom out.

I will be surprised if BTC dumps to $15k ever again. But anything is possible I guess. A nuclear war for example changes everything. Especially an all out one that destroys civilization. Hopefully that's also unlikely. But anything is possible. The solar system was once a solar nebula dust cloud. All you see came from that! That's way more farfetched than a society destroying nuclear war. Yes, our origin is the wildest of wild concepts to wrap your head around.

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« Reply #11036 on: June 24, 2024, 03:22:59 PM »
Take a moment for dip buyers. You are now round tripped. Take note of how it feels and it hasn’t even broken down to the next level yet.

This is why even though I bought at 17.5k I sold at 73.1k.

This cycle will end with a huge round trip and then sub 15k. It’s not over yet but it’s important to note this moment because when the price doesn’t go anywhere nears the spastic predictions people are claiming, you will be round tripped. Back to square one…… then you will go underwater…..

It’s an emotional roller coaster that I suspect many on this thread are burned out from as it’s dead quiet.
I held ETH from $1350 down to $80 in 2018/19. I held ETH again from $4800 down to $900 in the previous cycle.

Saylor has already declared he is willing to hold BTC down to zero. There's lots of holders with that mindset.

HODL.

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« Reply #11037 on: June 26, 2024, 11:07:57 AM »
ETH ETF's possibly launching next week on 2 July.

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« Reply #11038 on: June 26, 2024, 11:38:43 AM »
ETH ETF's possibly launching next week on 2 July.
Or 4 July. This won't stop the ETH FUD though. The new narrative is the ETH inflows will be a disappointment.

Meanwhile, I am pessimistic about Bitcoin's long-term Proof-of-Work viability. Miner yields will continue to half every 4 years. Why will many miners stick around? The fees won't be able to keep them paying for massive electrical bills and infrastructure. Renewable energy is not cheap either. Somebody has to pay for and build the wind towers, solar panel installations, etc.

I expect that they will have to either remove the 21 million cap to keep the miner dynamic going or something else. Proof of Stake won't work either because the cap means stakers can't receive BTC yields, unless it is robbed from non-stakers.

Surely the Wall Street yoyos have to realize this?! Why has nobody asked Saylor's opinion about that?

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« Reply #11039 on: June 27, 2024, 04:08:32 PM »
Or 4 July. This won't stop the ETH FUD though. The new narrative is the ETH inflows will be a disappointment.

Meanwhile, I am pessimistic about Bitcoin's long-term Proof-of-Work viability. Miner yields will continue to half every 4 years. Why will many miners stick around? The fees won't be able to keep them paying for massive electrical bills and infrastructure. Renewable energy is not cheap either. Somebody has to pay for and build the wind towers, solar panel installations, etc.

I expect that they will have to either remove the 21 million cap to keep the miner dynamic going or something else. Proof of Stake won't work either because the cap means stakers can't receive BTC yields, unless it is robbed from non-stakers.

Surely the Wall Street yoyos have to realize this?! Why has nobody asked Saylor's opinion about that?

BTC can’t go to proof of stake otherwise it becomes a meme coin.

The difficulty adjustments are there to take into account miner participation. Miners get paid in BTC, not money. Miners sell BTC to pay for energy/op costs.. Price of BTC gets impacted by miners. Price influencers miner Participation which influences difficulty and influencers the BTC payout. There is no issue there at all.

The question is what I proposed a while back which is the US centralisation of the BTC network. For people who use morality first and profit second, they already face this of their own moral code. For anyone truly in it for privacy etc you’d have already sold once China left the mining and the US began centralising to take control of the network. Making xxxxx% gains changes people’s morals once they have the money. That Keiser dude is a total fraud, leads soooo many to wreckage and he knows it but hides behind some fake morality.

Trump already stated the US should own the crypto industry. The ETFs now have them in control of price. The mining has them in majority of the mining pool in control of the network to put others out of business (khazakstan is left). 

What lies ahead the next few years is the US is going to nuke the shit out of BTC and drive other miners out of business. They take control of the network at the low market prices, then drive the hash rate through the ceiling preventing anyone else from catching up with GPU power. Then future BTC price will be under US control like the Gold market. Done.

Everyone gunna get round tripped dude.

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« Reply #11040 on: June 27, 2024, 07:05:01 PM »
BTC can’t go to proof of stake otherwise it becomes a meme coin.

The difficulty adjustments are there to take into account miner participation. Miners get paid in BTC, not money. Miners sell BTC to pay for energy/op costs.. Price of BTC gets impacted by miners. Price influencers miner Participation which influences difficulty and influencers the BTC payout. There is no issue there at all.

There is an issue. The BTC block rewards half every 4 years. Earlier this year each block netted 6.25 BTC. Around 144 blocks are being mined per day. This equaled 900 BTC per day being issued to miners in January 2024. Then the most recent halving occurred on April 20, 2024. Now each block reward is 3.125 BTC, exactly half of what it was prior to the halving. About the same amount of blocks are mined per day, so the miners are netting around 450 BTC per day. The current cost to mine one BTC is a little over $80k. The current BTC price is almost $20k below that. Miners are operating at a loss. The price of BTC needs to go up a lot for them to be profitable. Would you mine BTC at a loss? Why not just buy and hold vs mine? I mined Ethereum and I would have been better off buying when it was at rock bottom. Sure, when Ethereum was over $4,000 I obtained ETH well below that price via mining, below $1000 per ETH. But when ETH was at $80 I was mining at a loss. I was using the rigs to heat the house so that is how I rationalized it.

Now imagine in 4 years we have another halving. At that point 225 BTC will be mined per day worldwide. Then in another 4 years it goes down to around 112.5 BTC. That's in 2032. In 2036 it is down to 56.25 BTC. That's not too far off in the future. BTC can be mined technically for over 100 years. But the miner rewards will be so low few will stick around for that. So either the transaction fees have to go up dramatically making BTC transactions super expensive. Or they need a very, very low energy source that can ensure no single point of attack. How will the BTC network sustain itself with all these upcoming halvings?

Bitcoin - Average Mining Costs
https://en.macromicro.me/charts/29435/bitcoin-production-total-cost

Bitcoin - Blocks per Day
https://charts.bitbo.io/blocks-daily/

What lies ahead the next few years is the US is going to nuke the shit out of BTC and drive other miners out of business. They take control of the network at the low market prices, then drive the hash rate through the ceiling preventing anyone else from catching up with GPU power. Then future BTC price will be under US control like the Gold market. Done.

Everyone gunna get round tripped dude.
GPUs were pushed out of Bitcoin mining more than a decade ago. You can't really mine BTC with a GPU. Not even the fastest ones out there. You can try, but you just won't receive any BTC.  ;D

https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMining/comments/17f50vc/mining_bitcoin_with_gpu/

GPUs could not keep up with ASIC devices that were introduced around 2013. ASIC devices are like appliances that have one purpose. A GPU can be used for many functions. ASIC devices are fine-tuned for a specific algorithm. They can hash at a much higher rate per watt. POW Ethereum and ZCASH were supposed to be ASIC-resistant to ensure decentralization and an even playing field for all miners. But eventually, ASIC miners started taking over Ethereum mining as well. The Ethereum developers already decided to switch to Proof-of-Stake so they decided not to do a fork to push out the ASIC miners. GPU devices could still mine Ethereum though. I mined until the switch to POS happened. I watched it happen in real-time. My miners were mining and suddenly a connection lost started appearing on the screen. Was kind of sad to see it and I took a few screenshots. I have them saved somewhere.

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« Reply #11041 on: June 27, 2024, 07:36:26 PM »
BTC can’t go to proof of stake otherwise it becomes a meme coin.
Not all meme coins have a POS consensus. Dogecoin is the first meme coin and it operates via Proof of Work - lol!

Ethereum is not a meme coin and it operates via POS. Same with Solana or Cardano. Memes have nothing to do with POS.

I know you don't like to click on links and I don't want to sound like an asshole, but come on! You've mentioned GPUs and BTC mining and now memes and POS. You might want to click on a few links and start reading!  ;D ;)

I think Bitcoin will be a lot more viable if they uncap it when the supply hits 20 million in a few years and switch to Proof-of-Stake and a burning of some transaction fees. Similar to Ethereum. 20 million BTC and an inflation rate of around 0.5% is not too bad. That would ensure continued demand for Bitcoin. BTC capped at 21 million and dwindling miner rewards is a recipe for failure.

Many of the smartest people in crypto have agreed that a bitcoin without block rewards is problematic. The security of the network will most likely suffer, as some miners will definitely try to undercut or selfish mine, which puts the blockchain under a constant threat.

On the Instability of Bitcoin Without the Block Reward
https://www.cs.princeton.edu/~arvindn/publications/mining_CCS.pdf

https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/gi0983/on_the_instability_of_bitcoin_without_the_block/

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« Reply #11042 on: July 03, 2024, 06:34:13 AM »
Here’s When Ethereum ETFs Are Going to Launch

Multiple industry analysts believe that Bitcoin exchange-traded funds (ETFs) could be on track to be launched in mid-July.  According to industry sources that were cited in a recent Bloomberg report, multiple applicants are supposed to submit their amended S-1 forms before July 8.

As noted by Nate Geraci, president of The ETF Store, this would mean that the final approval of S-1 forms is expected to take place by July 12. This would "theoretically" mean the launch week of July 15, according to Geraci.

https://u.today/heres-when-ethereum-etfs-are-going-to-launch

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« Reply #11043 on: July 03, 2024, 06:47:01 AM »

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« Reply #11044 on: July 03, 2024, 02:32:35 PM »


The market is exhausted. The BTC dip buyers who were very loud ran dry months ago, now round tripped.

My formula for an ATH is still alive and just like it suggested, it’d be a very disappointing road to an ATH.

The ETFs haven’t even been the ones unloading yet we tagged 58k 😂  Oh Lordy.

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« Reply #11045 on: July 05, 2024, 03:20:58 AM »

The Round tripped now become the underwater…… 

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« Reply #11046 on: July 06, 2024, 03:07:31 PM »
Governments sitting back looking at this...

https://cryptodnes.bg/en/ethereum-has-generated-twice-as-much-tax-revenue-as-bitcoin/

Ethereum Has Generated Twice as Much Tax Revenue as Bitcoin

According to a recent Lookonchain report, Ethereum has outpaced Bitcoin in fee revenue by an impressive 100% in the past year.

Specifically, the Ethereum network generated $2.73 billion in fee revenue, taking the top spot in the industry.

The data highlights Etherium’s significant lead, which has doubled Bitcoin‘s fee revenue.

This success is largely due to ETH’s broader suite of applications and services, which results in more fees and transactions.

Bitcoin follows in second place with $1.3 billion in fees. The Tron network rounds out the top three with nearly $460 million.

Solana added $241.3 to the total, Binance Smart Chain registered $176.6 million and Avalanche $68.83 million.

Additionally, zkSync Era earned nearly $60 million, Optimism amassed $40.4 million and Polygon $23.9 million.

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« Reply #11047 on: July 09, 2024, 08:02:32 AM »
ok can someone tell me why I am the author of this thread?  I didn't start it.  I was the first one to reply to it I believe, but I didn't start it.  I can only assume the original author was deleted and I assumed the first post????

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« Reply #11048 on: July 09, 2024, 10:07:05 AM »
ok can someone tell me why I am the author of this thread?  I didn't start it.  I was the first one to reply to it I believe, but I didn't start it.  I can only assume the original author was deleted and I assumed the first post????

Gib started the thread and deleted his post.

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« Reply #11049 on: July 09, 2024, 03:22:24 PM »
Gib started the thread and deleted his post.

ahh... I was thinking something like that.