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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11350 on: October 27, 2024, 03:49:54 PM »
I know, it was a joke! But I will keep referring to the MAYDAY-LINE, which shows cryptos trending to zero!  :D ;D

Whatever floats your boat with your line.

It’s all down to interpretation. Like that chart you just posted where the line is different to my interpretation.

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« Reply #11351 on: October 28, 2024, 02:05:19 AM »
And in other news, ETH just hit another 3 year low to BTC, now below .037 BTC to one Eth. I believe we will soon get to .036 (as in the next month), if the systemic devline trend which I believe is in place, continues.

3 year low continues. Eth has indeed fallen further to BTC. Now .036 BTC to one Eth.

Obsidian - to my other question, for any new money you have (putting aside the Eth you mined), would you at least not put that into BTC, even if just for a little diversification and/or hedging to protect against a continuation of the gradual Eth decline trend?

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« Reply #11352 on: October 28, 2024, 03:05:47 AM »
3 year low continues. Eth has indeed fallen further to BTC. Now .036 BTC to one Eth.

Obsidian - to my other question, for any new money you have (putting aside the Eth you mined), would you at least not put that into BTC, even if just for a little diversification and/or hedging to protect against a continuation of the gradual Eth decline trend?
BTC could potentially gain more. I might rotate in some when / if a reversal occurs. Saylor hoped BTC would reach 80% dominance. Well, it's closing in on 60% dominance.

Interesting post below. I agree. The meme coin craze could cool down after the election.

https://coinmarketcap.com/academy/article/nic-carter-links-meme-coin-surge-to-secs-regulatory-stance

Nic Carter Links Meme Coin Surge to SEC's Regulatory Stance

Industry leaders are pointing to the correlation between the rise of meme cryptocurrencies and the staunch regulatory approach from the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC). Some argue that the current explosion in meme coins may be more than just speculative fever—it could be a form of digital protest against the increasing regulatory constraints.

Columbia Business School professor Omid Malekan weighed in, saying the phenomenon constitutes a form of "economic populism" in response to the present regulatory environment. Nic Carter, founder of Castle Island Ventures, echoed this sentiment, saying the uptick in speculative assets was due directly to what he described as an "oppressive SEC regime."

This is especially timely, as betting markets give the chances of a Republican victory at 50% in the elections. Such a political turn of events might dramatically change the crypto landscape, with the return of global token launches and airdrops—and, consequently, lower the appeal of meme coins.

They pointed out that some regulatory measures, such as geographical restrictions and VPN banning, have actually spurred investors into embracing these unconventional crypto assets. On the other hand, presumed regulatory changes are unlikely to get rid of these kinds of meme coins completely.

Carter suggested that there will always be some baseline level of interest in meme coins, and while regulatory reform might reduce their popularity, it wouldn’t make them disappear from view.

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« Reply #11353 on: October 28, 2024, 03:28:28 AM »
Industry leaders are pointing to the correlation between the rise of meme cryptocurrencies and the staunch regulatory approach from the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC). Some argue that the current explosion in meme coins may be more than just speculative fever—it could be a form of digital protest against the increasing regulatory constraints.
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Those "leaders" are clueless. The meme coin explosion is mostly down to people being sick of being dumped on and lied to by VCs and VC backed Altcoins. Plus it requires far less work, basically none to research a meme coin.

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« Reply #11354 on: October 28, 2024, 05:49:38 AM »
To me the meme coin surge just comes down to opportunistic scammers taking advantage of naive people who don't understand economics or finance. It will die down when enough people have been burned. Natural selection crypto Darwinism...

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« Reply #11355 on: November 01, 2024, 02:06:43 AM »


At the time I wrote this, the Eth to BTC ratio was around 0.055 (ie - one eth bought you 0.055 of a BTC). Now that ratio is 0.043). Eth was already down 24% to BTC over the year at that time. It's now down 33%, and is at a year to date, one year, 2 year, and 3 year, low to BTC in comparative value.

So, we have now are touching the bottom end of my 35-50% decline prediction, passing a 30% decline, and as I said, I expect that decline to increase over time.

It should now be very obvious to all that we are in the "1 step forwards, 2 steps back" pattern for Eth, with no end in sight which I can realistically foresee.

I could certainly imagine a scenario where all "crypto" sharply drops for a period of time (with BTC dropping the least) as well as one where BTC sharply rises (with Eth being left behind and rising far less that BTC). Both scenarios would of course widen the BTC / Eth ratio decline if this was to occur.

Either way, whether this "slow death" of ETH continues just a as a slow bleed or whether its decline curve starts to accelerate at some point is not yet clear, but what I would say is to move your remaining value of any Eth into BTC if you are looking for long term store of value, and into Sol if you want some exposure to de-gen speculation further on down the infinitely dilutive spectrum of shitcoins.

Obsidian - we are all here to ultimately help each other, and I know you are a smart guy. Why not just DCA Eth to BTC a little each day/week, to at least balance out your exposure not to mention salvage what you have? (I know you mentioned tax, but I still think ultimately you should consider, and a smart guy like you should easily be able out to figure out a way to do this which does not result in your money being stolen).

This may be one of this "rip off the band-aid" moments - you know you need to do it, and it's gonna hurt a little either way you do it, fast or slow.


Just a little halloween update. Eth hit a new 3 year low to BTC, with the Eth to BTC ratio hitting a new low of 0.036. Its a spookily terrible performance against BTC over the last 3 years.

I expect that as we approach the next surge towards BTC 74K that ratio of Eth to BTC might fall even to 0.035 (and that this could well happen this month). And maybe even 0.034 by end of year.

Obsidian - could you answer the question - for any new money you get, if you had to invest that now, looking for gains say over the next 4 years, would you really be putting it into any alt as opposed to BTC?

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11356 on: November 01, 2024, 02:31:52 AM »
Just a little halloween update. Eth hit a new 3 year low to BTC, with the Eth to BTC ratio hitting a new low of 0.036. Its a spookily terrible performance against BTC over the last 3 years.

I expect that as we approach the next surge towards BTC 74K that ratio of Eth to BTC might fall even to 0.035 (and that this could well happen this month). And maybe even 0.034 by end of year.

Obsidian - could you answer the question - for any new money you get, if you had to invest that now, looking for gains say over the next 4 years, would you really be putting it into any alt as opposed to BTC?

Well over 100k by March 2024, right? :D

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« Reply #11357 on: November 01, 2024, 02:37:01 AM »
Well over 100k by March 2024, right? :D

Well you got that wrong. It did not hit 100k by March 2024, but it was a good prediction.  Although obviously, directionally it will move to 100K over time.

What you need to do is simply zoom out and take a long term approach. When BTC hits 1m, it will be mostly irrelevant what the exact month was that 100K was reached. Just zoom out, see the big picture and HODL and you will thrive.

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« Reply #11358 on: November 01, 2024, 04:50:43 AM »
Keep stacking satoshis!

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« Reply #11359 on: November 01, 2024, 01:16:30 PM »
Just a little halloween update. Eth hit a new 3 year low to BTC, with the Eth to BTC ratio hitting a new low of 0.036. Its a spookily terrible performance against BTC over the last 3 years.

I expect that as we approach the next surge towards BTC 74K that ratio of Eth to BTC might fall even to 0.035 (and that this could well happen this month). And maybe even 0.034 by end of year.

Obsidian - could you answer the question - for any new money you get, if you had to invest that now, looking for gains say over the next 4 years, would you really be putting it into any alt as opposed to BTC?
I won't put any new money into crypto. I'll cash out some if the market really rockets and then hold some of those gains to the side in stable coins in case the market crashes again. Then I'll accumulate more crypto. Perhaps BTC. We'll see what happens. In hindsight I should have sold everything in 2021, taken the capital gains tax hit, and then bought back in at the bottom. 2021 was my second bull run so I was still a newbie.

The current BTC lead over ETH is short term noise IMO. I don't think it will hold long term. I could be wrong, but that's my view.

I have said before, yes, BTC could still outperform ETH in the short term.

GIB, look at this GIB-LINE - from 2015-present. Some might argue those are higher lows.  ;D

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« Reply #11360 on: November 01, 2024, 01:25:06 PM »
Here's ChatGPT's answers regarding the long-term sustainability of the Bitcoin security model.

Is there a concern regarding Bitcoin's security model 12-24 years from now - after multiple halvings?

Yes, there are security concerns for Bitcoin in the distant future, particularly regarding its reliance on block subsidies, which decrease with each halving every four years. Here’s why this might be an issue:

1. Decreasing Block Rewards: Bitcoin’s security model depends on miner incentives, currently a mix of transaction fees and block rewards (newly minted bitcoins). Every four years, the block reward halves, reducing the total Bitcoin supply that can be mined. By around 2140, all 21 million Bitcoins will have been mined, and miners will rely solely on transaction fees for revenue. This process will significantly reduce miner earnings long before then.

2. Potential Drop in Mining Incentives: If transaction fees don’t sufficiently replace the lost block rewards, miners could leave the network, reducing its hashrate and making it easier for attackers to gain control of 51% of the network’s computational power. This would threaten Bitcoin’s security, as a reduced hashrate makes it less costly for bad actors to perform double-spend attacks or manipulate transaction order.

3. Rising Transaction Fees: To offset the loss of block rewards, transaction fees would need to increase significantly. However, if fees become prohibitively high, Bitcoin could lose its appeal as a cost-effective way to transfer value, limiting its adoption and potentially reducing its use to only high-value transactions.

4. Possible Solutions and Changes: While this scenario is a concern, there are potential paths forward:
   - Increased Transaction Volume: Scaling solutions like the Lightning Network could boost transaction volume on Bitcoin’s main layer, resulting in more transaction fees for miners. However, the success of these solutions is not guaranteed.
   - Protocol Changes: Some developers have considered alternatives, like adjusting Bitcoin’s monetary policy or implementing other incentives for miners, though such changes would be highly controversial.
   
This security challenge is still many years away, but it raises valid questions about Bitcoin’s long-term viability as the block reward diminishes.

Why would there be many BTC transactions if Bitcoin is a store of value and supposed to be held indefinitely?

That's a great question, and it highlights one of the central tensions in Bitcoin’s design as both a store of value and a transactional network. If Bitcoin is largely used as a store of value, there might indeed be fewer transactions over time, which could pose issues for the long-term sustainability of its security model. Here’s how this plays out:

1. Low Transaction Volume and Security Funding: If people mostly "HODL" Bitcoin, treating it like digital gold, the number of transactions on the network could remain low. Without a sufficient volume of transactions, the fees that miners rely on for income could be too low to maintain network security as block rewards decline.

2. Security vs. Store-of-Value Use Case: Bitcoin’s design aims to balance its function as a secure, decentralized currency with the demand for it to be a store of value. Ideally, Bitcoin could remain valuable and secure while also supporting enough transactions to incentivize miners, but this balance is tricky, especially if most users prefer holding over transacting.

3. Layer 2 Solutions: Layer 2 solutions like the Lightning Network could help increase transaction volume by enabling smaller, faster payments off-chain while only periodically settling on the main blockchain. These solutions are designed to facilitate many small transactions, potentially encouraging more frequent use of Bitcoin for everyday payments. Still, for this approach to benefit miners, there would need to be significant adoption of these solutions, and some volume would still need to settle on the main chain to generate fees.

4. Future Network Utility: If Bitcoin’s utility grows beyond being only a store of value—such as being integrated into various financial systems or used as collateral in digital finance—it could naturally increase transaction volume. The vision of Bitcoin as "programmable money" opens up possibilities that may drive demand for mainchain transactions over the long term.

5. Rising Transaction Fees for Final Settlement: Even if Bitcoin is mainly a store of value, large holders and institutions might periodically move coins for rebalancing, trading, or collateral purposes. The idea is that as the supply of block rewards decreases, Bitcoin could evolve into a settlement layer, where users are willing to pay higher fees for secure, infrequent final settlement, while smaller, everyday transactions occur off-chain.

The reality is that Bitcoin’s community and developers are aware of this issue and are experimenting with potential solutions. However, without a high enough transaction volume or alternative miner incentives, it remains an open question how Bitcoin will secure its network over the long haul as block rewards dwindle.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11361 on: November 01, 2024, 01:32:13 PM »
Ethereum Blobs Are ‘Insanely Bullish” For ETH Price: Breakthrough Research

Tim Robinson, Head of Crypto Research at BlueYard Capital, has unveiled groundbreaking simulations indicating that Ethereum’s implementation of “blobs” could be exceptionally bullish for the long-term price of ETH. In a series of posts on X, Robinson highlighted how blobs could revolutionize Ethereum’s scalability and economic dynamics.

“Many people arguing about blobs, but so far no one has simulated how they respond to demand… until now,” Robinson stated. “TL;DR: Blobs are insanely bullish for ETH long term.”

Why Blobs Are ‘Insanely Bullish’ For Ethereum Price

Blobs, introduced in Ethereum Improvement Proposal (EIP)-4844, are large data structures designed to enhance the network’s capacity by efficiently storing and processing data off-chain. This mechanism is pivotal for Layer 2 (L2) scaling solutions, enabling them to offer lower transaction fees while maintaining security through Ethereum’s consensus.

Robinson’s simulation projects Ethereum operating at 10,000 transactions per second (TPS), burning 6.5% of its total ETH supply annually, with L2 transactions costing an average of $0.06. This scenario involves 16 MB of blobs per block, aligning with Ethereum co-founder Vitalik Buterin’s medium-term goals outlined in his latest “The Surge” post.

“Yes, that’s Ethereum operating at 10k TPS, burning 6.5% a year while L2 transactions cost an average of $0.06, with 16 MB of blobs per block,” Robinson elaborated. “You thought L2’s were parasitic and Vitalik didn’t think this through? Ah, sweet summer child, little do you realize how insane this will get when the Ethereum ecosystem really kicks into high gear.”

A key insight from Robinson’s research is the rapid escalation of ETH burning as blob usage increases. “It’s interesting how quickly blobs go from being free to burning a ton of ETH. It seems almost everyone doesn’t understand this tipping point. It also makes me think there might be a better pricing mechanism,” he observed.

Robinson provides a simulation tool illustrating the ETH burn rate‘s exponential growth as TPS scales from the current ~180 TPS to 400 TPS. The data shows burned ETH increasing from roughly 4 ETH per day to 1,832 ETH per day.

"Another interesting feedback loop is the lower the ETH price, the higher the burn! As transaction prices are lower, more transactions are made, and the burn soars. See how different the burn is with ETH at $2k vs ETH at $10k:"

https://www.tradingview.com/news/newsbtc:524270866094b:0-ethereum-blobs-are-insanely-bullish-for-eth-price-breakthrough-research/

https://ethereum-blob-simulator.netlify.app/


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« Reply #11362 on: November 01, 2024, 01:37:10 PM »
https://dailyhodl.com/2024/10/31/ethereum-in-the-final-innings-of-downtrend-against-bitcoin-says-top-analyst-benjamin-cowen-heres-his-outlook/

Ethereum in the Final Innings of Downtrend Against Bitcoin, Says Top Analyst Benjamin Cowen – Here’s His Outlook

A widely followed crypto analyst says that Ethereum (ETH) is in the final stages of its decline against Bitcoin (BTC).

In a new strategy session, crypto trader Benjamin Cowen tells his 819,000 YouTube subscribers that based on historical patterns, the top altcoin appears as if it’s about to break out against the crypto king.

According to Cowen, ETH/BTC tends to find its bottom two to three months after losing its support level, a move the analyst says should happen soon, though he did not specify a date.

“If you look at ETH/BTC normally, [it] would bottom within two to three months of breaking down from [its] support levels. This is when it would bottom and it’s got to be getting close, I think it’s got to be getting close, I don’t know exactly when it’s going to occur, but I think it’s going to happen relatively soon.”

Cowen goes on to note that Ethereum is in the final leg of its downtrend because Bitcoin’s dominance level (BTC.D) – or the ratio between the market cap of BTC versus the market cap of all crypto assets combined – is going to reverse course.

“My guess is in a year, ETH/BTC is going to be a lot higher than [what it is now], that’s my guess in the short term, maybe it goes down a little bit more but I do think in a year it’s going to be much higher…

I think a lot of people have given up on ETH against Bitcoin when this is a perfectly normal pattern that it has completed two times before, and this will likely be the third time it goes through this pattern. So because I think ETH/BTC is in the final Innings of its downtrend, I think Bitcoin dominance is in the final Innings of its uptrend.”


Bitcon’s dominance level is currently sitting at 60.14% while ETH/BTC is valued at 0.036, a 1.58% decrease during the last 24 hours.


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« Reply #11363 on: November 02, 2024, 03:43:05 AM »
UBS Launches Ethereum-Based Tokenized Investment Fund uMINT

The Union Bank of Switzerland (UBS) has introduced a new digital finance advancement by releasing the “UBS USD Money Market Investment Fund Token” (uMINT), a money market fund developed on the Ethereum blockchain.

Headquartered in Zurich, UBS is a global leader in wealth management, with $5.7 trillion in managed assets as of Q4 2023 following its acquisition of Credit Suisse. The bank operates across more than 50 markets, offering diversified asset management solutions and investment banking capabilities.

https://coingape.com/ubs-launches-ethereum-based-tokenized-investment-fund-umint/

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« Reply #11364 on: November 03, 2024, 01:51:48 AM »

Ethereum in the Final Innings of Downtrend Against Bitcoin, Says Top Analyst Benjamin Cowen – Here’s His Outlook

A widely followed crypto analyst says that Ethereum (ETH) is in the final stages of its decline against Bitcoin (BTC).

In a new strategy session, crypto trader Benjamin Cowen tells his 819,000 YouTube subscribers that based on historical patterns, the top altcoin appears as if it’s about to break out against the crypto king.

According to Cowen, ETH/BTC tends to find its bottom two to three months after losing its support level, a move the analyst says should happen soon, though he did not specify a date.

“If you look at ETH/BTC normally, [it] would bottom within two to three months of breaking down from [its] support levels. This is when it would bottom and it’s got to be getting close, I think it’s got to be getting close, I don’t know exactly when it’s going to occur, but I think it’s going to happen relatively soon.”

Cowen goes on to note that Ethereum is in the final leg of its downtrend because Bitcoin’s dominance level (BTC.D) – or the ratio between the market cap of BTC versus the market cap of all crypto assets combined – is going to reverse course.

“My guess is in a year, ETH/BTC is going to be a lot higher than [what it is now], that’s my guess in the short term, maybe it goes down a little bit more but I do think in a year it’s going to be much higher…

I think a lot of people have given up on ETH against Bitcoin when this is a perfectly normal pattern that it has completed two times before, and this will likely be the third time it goes through this pattern. So because I think ETH/BTC is in the final Innings of its downtrend, I think Bitcoin dominance is in the final Innings of its uptrend.”


Bitcon’s dominance level is currently sitting at 60.14% while ETH/BTC is valued at 0.036, a 1.58% decrease during the last 24 hours.


The funny thing about these type of predictions (which we have consistently seen over the last 3 years of ETH's decline vs BTC) is that they almost have the exact same format - Eth has all sort of technical improvements on the way, a story about an Eth real use case in the finance world, and then a "prediction" that we are not quite at the bottom, but "nearly there".

What I keep trying to emphasize is that BTC has a real use case, which attracts money, being that it is the dominant and king of decentralized digital wealth.

Eth, by contrast, whilst it does have some uses (one major use being to trade other rather useless alts), and some potential uses with defi and smart contracts, no longer competes with what BTC was invented for. And so, for the uses ETH does have, to the extent such functions are even really even used, don't necessarily correlate to any type of measurable intrinsic value (or at least if they did, such value would not come close to the what the current Eth market cap currently is).

The big boys of wall street, the HNWs and family offices et - we all know this. We benefit from converging on a single store of digital wealth controlled by no-one, vs an alt that was 70% pre-mined, lead by a unicorn shirt-wearing idiot savant which is constantly being tinkered with, and to which there are an infinite number of alts.

How nice it would be if money could be infinitely printed for all - unfortunately this is not the case. This was the dilemma I grappled with at the very outset of my BTC journey. That is - that there is an infinite number of BTC imitations which can be created, and if so, so why does BTC have value? I reconciled this with the understanding that for BTC succeed, we must (and there must) be an inevitable collective gravitation to a single blockchain as our global store of digital wealth. I concluded that the blockchain chosen for this purpose would be Bitcoin. In doing that, I considered many factors, before finally deciding that it would be BTC which would succeed in this goal. And so far, that decision has been the correct one.

I would urge all here to really think this though before investing in any kind of non-BTC coin.

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« Reply #11365 on: November 03, 2024, 03:45:56 PM »
I have high hopes for ETH, even though the past 2 yrs have been a bit tough.
I really like the Elliott wave method of analysis.
So I think the ETH/BTC pair will bottom around the 0.031 level and then it will start rising, however if it breaks the 0.01615 mark, I do not think is coming back....

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« Reply #11366 on: November 03, 2024, 07:31:54 PM »

How nice it would be if money could be infinitely printed for all - unfortunately this is not the case. .

It can be printed and has been done for thousands of years.

It’s like the purchasing power argument. People get emotional damage when they see the loss over 100yrs yet fail to comprehend their home is heated, cooled, 10x larger than 1920, they have 3 cars, get food delivered and so on.


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« Reply #11367 on: November 04, 2024, 02:28:26 AM »
It can be printed and has been done for thousands of years.

It’s like the purchasing power argument. People get emotional damage when they see the loss over 100yrs yet fail to comprehend their home is heated, cooled, 10x larger than 1920, they have 3 cars, get food delivered and so on.

Should be obvious what I meant, but let me reword to be super clear:

How nice it would be if money could be infinitely printed for all, without any consequential impact to the value of that money - unfortunately this is not the case.

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« Reply #11368 on: November 04, 2024, 12:14:30 PM »
Should be obvious what I meant, but let me reword to be super clear:

How nice it would be if money could be infinitely printed for all, without any consequential impact to the value of that money - unfortunately this is not the case.

Ahh ok, just a throw away line,

Yes, I would love it if someone gave me 5M.

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« Reply #11369 on: November 04, 2024, 02:28:56 PM »
What I keep trying to emphasize is that BTC has a real use case, which attracts money, being that it is the dominant and king of decentralized digital wealth.
Ethereum has a lot more use cases than Bitcoin. How you can even claim otherwise is hilarious. I am sitting here thinking WTF GIB?! Damn!

UBS and BlackRock issued tokenized funds on Ethereum in 2024. Not Bitcoin. You want to know why? Because it can't be done on Bitcoin. You would need many years of upgrades and scores of developers to make it feasible.

Sony announced an Ethereum L2 in 2024. There have been so many Ethereum announcements in 2024 that all the FUD is kind of surprising!

Bitcoin has had an easy ride the past few years. We'll see how it ends though in a decade or more. The Bitcoin mining system simply does not work as mining rewards dwindle. Even if you have free electricity you are better off buying BTC vs mining it. The ASIC machines are expensive and are made obsolete soon as newer models become available. The end result is the ASIC devices never pay for itself and become useless paper weights. Unlike GPUs they can't do anything else except being a paper weight or recycled.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/5-7t-banking-giant-ubs-082728059.html

Mon, November 4, 2024

$5.7T Banking Giant UBS Launches First Tokenized Fund on Ethereum

Global financial powerhouse UBS Asset Management launched its first tokenized investment fund on the Ethereum blockchain. This is a major stride for the traditional finance sector toward mainstream adoption of blockchain technology.

The new product, dubbed the UBS USD Money Market Investment Fund Token, abbreviated as 'uMINT,' is a strategic move for the Swiss banking giant, which currently manages over $5.7 trillion in assets. The fund will be available through select distribution partners that bridge conventional banking to digital innovation.

The launch is part of a broader strategy under the bank's own tokenization platform, UBS Tokenize, focused on digitizing traditional capital market instruments like bonds, funds, and structured products. The move follows UBS's successful pilot program in Singapore last year to test a tokenized Variable Capital Company fund.

Thomas Kaegi, UBS Asset Management Asia-Pacific co-head, said: "We have seen growing investor appetite for tokenized financial assets across asset classes. Through leveraging our global capabilities and collaborating with peers and regulators, we can now provide clients with an innovative solution.”

The banking institution’s blockchain strategy consists of public and private networks, aiming to smoothen the process of issuance and distribution of funds. This follows several traditional financial giants that have forayed into the digital asset sector. Franklin Templeton launched its U.S. Government Money Fund on Coinbase's Base network, while BlackRock’s BUIDL is live on the Ethereum blockchain.

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« Reply #11370 on: November 05, 2024, 03:38:45 AM »
Ethereum has a lot more use cases than Bitcoin. How you can even claim otherwise is hilarious. I am sitting here thinking WTF GIB?! Damn!

UBS and BlackRock issued tokenized funds on Ethereum in 2024. Not Bitcoin. You want to know why? Because it can't be done on Bitcoin. You would need many years of upgrades and scores of developers to make it feasible.

Sony announced an Ethereum L2 in 2024. There have been so many Ethereum announcements in 2024 that all the FUD is kind of surprising!

Bitcoin has had an easy ride the past few years. We'll see how it ends though in a decade or more. The Bitcoin mining system simply does not work as mining rewards dwindle. Even if you have free electricity you are better off buying BTC vs mining it. The ASIC machines are expensive and are made obsolete soon as newer models become available. The end result is the ASIC devices never pay for itself and become useless paper weights. Unlike GPUs they can't do anything else except being a paper weight or recycled.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/5-7t-banking-giant-ubs-082728059.html

Mon, November 4, 2024

$5.7T Banking Giant UBS Launches First Tokenized Fund on Ethereum

Global financial powerhouse UBS Asset Management launched its first tokenized investment fund on the Ethereum blockchain. This is a major stride for the traditional finance sector toward mainstream adoption of blockchain technology.

The new product, dubbed the UBS USD Money Market Investment Fund Token, abbreviated as 'uMINT,' is a strategic move for the Swiss banking giant, which currently manages over $5.7 trillion in assets. The fund will be available through select distribution partners that bridge conventional banking to digital innovation.

The launch is part of a broader strategy under the bank's own tokenization platform, UBS Tokenize, focused on digitizing traditional capital market instruments like bonds, funds, and structured products. The move follows UBS's successful pilot program in Singapore last year to test a tokenized Variable Capital Company fund.

Thomas Kaegi, UBS Asset Management Asia-Pacific co-head, said: "We have seen growing investor appetite for tokenized financial assets across asset classes. Through leveraging our global capabilities and collaborating with peers and regulators, we can now provide clients with an innovative solution.”

The banking institution’s blockchain strategy consists of public and private networks, aiming to smoothen the process of issuance and distribution of funds. This follows several traditional financial giants that have forayed into the digital asset sector. Franklin Templeton launched its U.S. Government Money Fund on Coinbase's Base network, while BlackRock’s BUIDL is live on the Ethereum blockchain.

What I mean is that BTC's use case is clear. And its clear how that gives it value. Essentially, if your use case is that you are the decentralized global replacement for fiat devaluation, that is a BIG use case which attracts (obviously) huge exchanges of money for BTC.

Yes, ETH has some uses, that is for sure - but how such uses justify its current value is far more difficult to calculate and justify.

Regarding ETH, there is also a very positive development you may have missed, in Asia - see here: https://www.dbs.com/newsroom/DBS_rolls_out_blockchain_powered_banking_for_institutions_with_DBS_Token_Services_marks_new_milestone_in_financial_services



 

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« Reply #11371 on: November 05, 2024, 03:44:38 AM »
Just a little halloween update. Eth hit a new 3 year low to BTC, with the Eth to BTC ratio hitting a new low of 0.036. Its a spookily terrible performance against BTC over the last 3 years.

I expect that as we approach the next surge towards BTC 74K that ratio of Eth to BTC might fall even to 0.035 (and that this could well happen this month). And maybe even 0.034 by end of year.


Well, as I predicted, (and it happened faster that even I expected), ETH is indeed now again at a new 3 year low to BTC, now at 0.035 BTC to one ETH. Its an absolutely appalling performance of Eth to BTC over the last 3 years. Lets see what happens on the election lead-up and also post-election. I think falling further to 0.034 to BTC by year end is still likely - lets see. Some volatility ahead for sure - quite possibly some upside for BTC over the next 6 months I would think. (Possibly all alts too - lets see...)

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11372 on: November 05, 2024, 06:52:32 AM »
What I mean is that BTC's use case is clear. And its clear how that gives it value. Essentially, if your use case is that you are the decentralized global replacement for fiat devaluation, that is a BIG use case which attracts (obviously) huge exchanges of money for BTC.

Yes, ETH has some uses, that is for sure - but how such uses justify its current value is far more difficult to calculate and justify.

Regarding ETH, there is also a very positive development you may have missed, in Asia - see here: https://www.dbs.com/newsroom/DBS_rolls_out_blockchain_powered_banking_for_institutions_with_DBS_Token_Services_marks_new_milestone_in_financial_services
You know my opinion. ETH and many other alts are undervalued relative to BTC. ETH was over $4,800 3 years ago and it is a much more mature and developed project now than it was back then. And the dollar has devalued quite a bit since then.

Gensler helped the case for BTC by declaring it a commodity and failing to make a determination on ETH when pressed. That's ok. The US will become less relevant on the global stage. It's almost bankrupt. It is time for the crypto markets to ignore whatever decisions the US government makes.

I am guessing cryptos including Bitcoin crashed because people are unsure about Trump's chances in this election. BTC crashed to $67k yesterday. It's trending up now.

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« Reply #11373 on: November 05, 2024, 06:53:42 AM »
https://insidebitcoins.com/news/michigan-makes-history-as-first-state-pension-fund-to-invest-in-spot-ethereum-etfs-via-grayscale

Michigan Makes History As First State Pension Fund To Invest In Spot Ethereum ETFs Via Grayscale

The State of Michigan Retirement System (SMRS) has become the first state pension fund to invest in spot Ethereum ETFs (exchange-traded funds) after it bought shares in two Grayscale investment products.

In a filing with the US Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), the SMRS disclosed that it holds 460,000 shares in Grayscale’s Ethereum Trust (ETHE), valued at over $10 million, and the same number of shares in Grayscale’s mini Ethereum Trust (ETH), worth more than $1.12 million.

Following the disclosure, the SMRS has become one of the top 5 holders of ETHE and ETH shares.

”Not only did Michigan’s pension buy Ether ETFs but they bought more then they did of bitcoin ETFs, $10m vs $7m,” said Bloomberg ETF analyst Eric Balchunas in a Nov. 4 post on X. ”This despite btc being up a ton and ether in the gutter. Pretty big win for ether which could use one.”

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« Reply #11374 on: November 05, 2024, 08:24:40 AM »
https://insidebitcoins.com/news/michigan-makes-history-as-first-state-pension-fund-to-invest-in-spot-ethereum-etfs-via-grayscale

Michigan Makes History As First State Pension Fund To Invest In Spot Ethereum ETFs Via Grayscale

The State of Michigan Retirement System (SMRS) has become the first state pension fund to invest in spot Ethereum ETFs (exchange-traded funds) after it bought shares in two Grayscale investment products.

In a filing with the US Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), the SMRS disclosed that it holds 460,000 shares in Grayscale’s Ethereum Trust (ETHE), valued at over $10 million, and the same number of shares in Grayscale’s mini Ethereum Trust (ETH), worth more than $1.12 million.

Following the disclosure, the SMRS has become one of the top 5 holders of ETHE and ETH shares.

”Not only did Michigan’s pension buy Ether ETFs but they bought more then they did of bitcoin ETFs, $10m vs $7m,” said Bloomberg ETF analyst Eric Balchunas in a Nov. 4 post on X. ”This despite btc being up a ton and ether in the gutter. Pretty big win for ether which could use one.”

Good news for ETH, although I would say it would be very irresponsible if they held ETH in a greater proportion than BTC. Pension funds are very conservative, and so even a BTC holding would be highly scrutinized. So, I would guess that they already held a chunk of BTC, and that this latest purchase was a "top up" of BTC and their first buy of ETH.

On a related note, UK pension fund also just added BTC. Amazing this stuff is really happening. We are still so so early...

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/uk-pension-fund-makes-historic-081255403.html