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« Reply #11625 on: December 14, 2024, 12:37:14 AM »
https://cryptobriefing.com/microsoft-ethereum-etf-staking/

Microsoft may be open to Ethereum ETF with staking, VanEck head of crypto research speculates

Microsoft is actively looking for investment opportunities that can generate income, said its CFO.

- Microsoft is potentially interested in exploring crypto investments like spot Ethereum ETFs with staking.
- Currently, US Ethereum ETFs lack staking features due to SEC regulatory concerns.

Microsoft has rejected a Bitcoin investment proposal, but the company may be open to exploring other crypto investment opportunities. VanEck’s head of digital assets research Matthew Sigel said that Microsoft might be inclined to consider an Ethereum ETF investment if the product includes staking feature.

Sigel perceived this potential openness in a comment made by Amy Hood, Microsoft’s Chief Financial Officer, during the company’s annual shareholder meeting on Tuesday, where shareholders overwhelmingly rejected a proposal to adopt Bitcoin as a treasury asset.

Hood mentioned that Microsoft has been accepting crypto as payment since 2014 and has been considering crypto as an asset class. She noted, however, that the priority is liquidity, capital preservation, and income generation for its investments.

“Our treasury team, along with reviews with the Board of Directors, looks at all the asset classes available to us. It’s important to remember our criteria and our goals of our balance sheet and for the cash balances, importantly, is to preserve capital, to allow a lot of liquidity to be able to fund our operations and partnerships and investments,” Hood said. “So liquidity is also a really important criteria for us, as well as generating income.”

Sigel speculated that Microsoft might be interested in an Ethereum ETF that allows them to participate in Ethereum staking and earn rewards.

When asked to elaborate on his reasoning, he pointed out that the tech giant believes in crypto’s utility and that the board “has already and will continue to evaluate digital assets for the reserve.”

Sigel also noted that assets that provide yield are more likely to be considered for acquisition by Microsoft.

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« Reply #11626 on: December 14, 2024, 04:32:31 AM »
https://coingeek.com/microsoft-to-ship-world-most-advanced-quantum-computer-in-2025/

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Microsoft (NASDAQ: MSFT) has announced a breakthrough in quantum computing that could slash the expected timeframe for mainstream usage of these powerful computers from decades to months.

The Redmond-based tech giant recently revealed that it achieved the largest logical entangled state across all hardware architectures, with 24 logical qubits produced from 80 physical qubits. For context, researchers previously believed it would take thousands of physical qubits to produce one logical qubit.
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The implications of these and other advancements in quantum computing for blockchain technology remain unknown. Some worry that quantum computing could crack classical encryption methods that blockchain networks rely on. Others believe that quantum computers could enhance proof-of-work (PoW), although this could cost existing mining equipment.

Not sure if the new computer chip was already posted in this thread.

Do you guys think it affects bitcoin price?

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« Reply #11627 on: December 14, 2024, 04:48:47 PM »
https://coingeek.com/microsoft-to-ship-world-most-advanced-quantum-computer-in-2025/

Not sure if the new computer chip was already posted in this thread.

Do you guys think it affects bitcoin price?
There are plans to upgrade the Ethereum cryptography before quantum computers pose a risk.

https://thequantuminsider.com/2024/10/30/ethereum-prepares-for-quantum-resistant-future-amid-security-push/#:~:text=Ethereum%2C%20a%20major%20player%20in%20blockchain%20technology%2C%20isn%E2%80%99t,risks%20from%20quantum%20computing%2C%20according%20to%20recent%20reports.

Ethereum Prepares for Quantum-Resistant Future Amid Security Push

- Ethereum’s roadmap, led by co-founder Vitalik Buterin, includes “The Splurge,” a strategic phase focused on building defenses against future quantum computing threats to ensure blockchain security remains intact.

- New upgrades, like lattice-based cryptography and account abstraction, aim to protect Ethereum from potential quantum attacks while also optimizing transaction processing, a move set to benefit high-security sectors such as finance and healthcare.

- By testing quantum-resistant algorithms on layer 2 solutions, Ethereum can gauge their effectiveness before a full network rollout, allowing a cautious, flexible approach to implementing advanced cryptographic safeguards.

Ethereum, a major player in blockchain technology, isn’t waiting for quantum computers — the cryptocurrency development team is taking steps right now to future-proof itself against potential security risks from quantum computing, according to recent reports.

Led by co-founder Vitalik Buterin, Ethereum’s latest phase of development, dubbed “The Splurge,” focuses on enhancing cryptographic safeguards and advancing the Ethereum Virtual Machine (EVM) with features designed to withstand the eventual impact of quantum computing on cryptographic protections. This strategy emerges even though fully capable quantum computers remain hypothetical.

The risks of quantum computing are well-understood in theory: if developed to a sufficient scale, quantum computers could theoretically break traditional encryption methods, posing serious security risks for digital systems, including blockchains.

“Preparing for these future developments remains an essential aspect of the network’s evolution,” Buterin said in a recent roadmap update. He points out that the progression toward “quantum-resistant algorithms” will be a cornerstone of Ethereum’s long-term security, protecting the network from future vulnerabilities. Buterin shared this view in the post that also detailed how quantum resistance and other cryptographic upgrades will be woven into Ethereum’s foundational code.​

Pushing Quantum Resistance
To achieve quantum resilience, The Splurge — which also poetically ties to the “merge” and “surge” upgrades — introduces foundational cryptographic upgrades, including lattice-based cryptography. This method, unlike traditional cryptographic protocols, is considered resistant to quantum attacks due to its complex mathematical structure. Fault-tolerant quantum computers, while still hypothetical, could theoretically unravel encryption by solving mathematical problems that currently underpin secure transactions, according to the post. Lattice-based cryptography, if successfully integrated, could resist such attempts, ensuring Ethereum’s transactions and assets remain secure as quantum capabilities grow.

According to a report from CryptoNews, Ethereum’s gradual progression — marked by previous upgrades like The Merge, The Surge, and The Scourge — has set a strong foundation for these next cryptographic advances. Ethereum has historically aimed to improve scalability and security, but The Splurge represents a significant evolution in the blockchain’s ability to proactively address threats​.

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« Reply #11628 on: December 14, 2024, 10:50:33 PM »
I wish I would have listened to all of the Bitcoin naysayers the past 7+ years. LMAO


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« Reply #11629 on: December 15, 2024, 12:42:47 AM »
https://coingeek.com/microsoft-to-ship-world-most-advanced-quantum-computer-in-2025/

Not sure if the new computer chip was already posted in this thread.

Do you guys think it affects bitcoin price?

In short, quantum computing represents a massive threat to traditional banking IT systems. That in turn will produce even greater demand for Bitcoin. Greater demand for Bitcoin will lead to an increase in price, as money, fearful of the threat of quantum computing to the traditional banking system (and indeed also of its threat to Governments) moves into Bitcoin as a safe have of wealth preservation and portability.


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« Reply #11630 on: December 15, 2024, 12:48:29 AM »
To say precious metals are no better than BTC is ludicrous.  Bitcoin is speculative digital electrons in cyberspace

Well that one aged well. Lol at this stubborn old fool, now being held accountable by the history of the internet and hindsight...

BTC up over 2000% since he made this post. He could have made a lot of money, had he listened to some of the smarter voices on finance on this forum...

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« Reply #11631 on: December 15, 2024, 03:21:53 AM »
For Mr Anabolic..., and all the others who refused to believe...

Watch the nice little clip from 2.43 mark :)


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« Reply #11632 on: December 15, 2024, 06:20:57 AM »
GM gentlemen... Hash power preceeds price implied price at these hash level is 550k.

Have countries started mining BTC?


Keep stacking satoshis!

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« Reply #11633 on: December 15, 2024, 06:46:48 AM »
GM gentlemen... Hash power preceeds price implied price at these hash level is 550k.

Have countries started mining BTC?


Keep stacking satoshis!

I would say for sure there is some state supported mining. Russia for sure. China of course. Bhutan yes we know. Iraq / Iran / North Korea for sure.

But either way, with current prices its profitable to mine, so mining will pick up for sure as a matter of economics. Where its gets interesting is when miners start frontrunning the price, such that they invest and mine even though below profit equilibirum, knowing that prices will rise over time.

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« Reply #11634 on: December 15, 2024, 11:17:25 AM »
I wish I would have listened to all of the Bitcoin naysayers the past 7+ years. LMAO
Very nice.

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« Reply #11635 on: December 15, 2024, 07:19:09 PM »
Very nice.
I am not bragging either, it was all luck for me, I just wish I would have hung onto a lot more bitcoin.

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« Reply #11636 on: December 15, 2024, 07:41:03 PM »
I am not bragging either, it was all luck for me, I just wish I would have hung onto a lot more bitcoin.
Most of it is luck knowing when to buy or sell.  Remember hogs get slaughtered

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« Reply #11637 on: December 15, 2024, 08:21:59 PM »
Fiat currency is manipulated by government through printing unlimited money. This started in the United States when they couldn't afford the Civil War anymore so they printed "greenbacks" and told soldiers to keep fighting and these pieces of paper would be worth something. Gold price is manipulated by government. Fiat currency is basically trust in government. Do you trust them?

Most assets(real estate, cars, etc.) are valued in fiat currency(dollars) and if Government can print as much as they want(like they did during covid) it's impossible to own any real wealth.

You only have two ways out of the system, invest in stocks with Monopolies(Apple, Microsoft, etc.) or Bitcoin.  There is no other way to hold a reliable, long term source of wealth that is relatively inflation proof as government creates inflation through printing money.

Bitcoin has a limited supply. You can't print it forever. Government becomes helpless.  There is no other way to have reliable, inflation proof storage of wealth.

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« Reply #11638 on: December 15, 2024, 09:08:19 PM »
Most of it is luck knowing when to buy or sell.  Remember hogs get slaughtered
Yup, greed is always going to be a person's downfall if they allow it to take over.

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« Reply #11639 on: December 16, 2024, 02:26:20 AM »
Most of it is luck knowing when to buy or sell.  Remember hogs get slaughtered

Not really. We know BTC will always go up (in fiat currency terms) over time. So, we basically know we need to buy ASAP, keep stacking and HODL (and never sell). It can't get more simple than that.

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« Reply #11640 on: December 16, 2024, 02:28:31 AM »
Fiat currency is manipulated by government through printing unlimited money. This started in the United States when they couldn't afford the Civil War anymore so they printed "greenbacks" and told soldiers to keep fighting and these pieces of paper would be worth something. Gold price is manipulated by government. Fiat currency is basically trust in government. Do you trust them?

Most assets(real estate, cars, etc.) are valued in fiat currency(dollars) and if Government can print as much as they want(like they did during covid) it's impossible to own any real wealth.

You only have two ways out of the system, invest in stocks with Monopolies(Apple, Microsoft, etc.) or Bitcoin.  There is no other way to hold a reliable, long term source of wealth that is relatively inflation proof as government creates inflation through printing money.

Bitcoin has a limited supply. You can't print it forever. Government becomes helpless.  There is no other way to have reliable, inflation proof storage of wealth.

Totally correct. MSFT, APPL, GOOGLE, MSTR, AMAZON etc are great companies - but they are not "pure" defences as they can always be taxed, restricted, be broken up, make bad strategy decisions. I hold all, but over time, my BTC holdings will keep out-pacing these stocks.

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« Reply #11641 on: December 16, 2024, 04:24:39 AM »
I wish I would have listened to all of the Bitcoin naysayers the past 7+ years. LMAO

Damn, I'm jelly as hell lol.

Nice to see someone give some proof of their crypto millions on here.

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« Reply #11642 on: December 16, 2024, 05:12:08 AM »
I think I posted as screenshot of my holdings here back around 2017. That was met at the time with a bunch of people responding that it could be fake, I could be using photoshop, etc etc. Lol...

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« Reply #11643 on: December 16, 2024, 06:53:21 AM »
$105,555.55

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« Reply #11644 on: December 16, 2024, 08:28:27 AM »
$106666.66
BTC is such an important asset. I can only again urge every GetBigger to get some. You will MASSIVELY regret it if you are a no-coiner a decade from now...

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« Reply #11645 on: December 16, 2024, 11:32:48 AM »
I am not bragging either, it was all luck for me, I just wish I would have hung onto a lot more bitcoin.

Congrats man, how does it feel to become a millionaire without any talent, effort, or work ethic? Does it make you happy? :D

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« Reply #11646 on: December 16, 2024, 04:21:05 PM »
I think I posted as screenshot of my holdings here back around 2017. That was met at the time with a bunch of people responding that it could be fake, I could be using photoshop, etc etc. Lol...

This will always be the case because everyone here bought the exact bottom and holds millions. Just roll with it.

I’ve scrapped my rate and inflation model because of Elon.  I nailed wave 1 and the S&P to 6k+ but Elon knows how to hide inflation so I’ve built a model where I can hide it. No more oil to 130, commodities won’t catch a bid now, inflationary trade is caputski, all over red rover and anyone shorting the bond market will get wrecked.  Moving forward is going to baffle the shit out of people, it’s pretty smart.

Saylor is King. He has done it. Total legendary move. He did it.

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« Reply #11647 on: December 17, 2024, 01:28:11 AM »
This will always be the case because everyone here bought the exact bottom and holds millions. Just roll with it.


Yep. The other point I tried to make at the time is that someone's actual holdings are actually irrelevant to the discussion. We should be looking at the logic of people's views, rather than how much of an asset they own (or claim to own). :)

Remember how angry Mr Anabolic got on this debate early on in this thread? Wonder if he is still around?

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« Reply #11648 on: December 18, 2024, 02:21:50 PM »
Yep. The other point I tried to make at the time is that someone's actual holdings are actually irrelevant to the discussion. We should be looking at the logic of people's views, rather than how much of an asset they own (or claim to own). :)

Remember how angry Mr Anabolic got on this debate early on in this thread? Wonder if he is still around?

Agree.

Mr Anabolic was hell bent on US collapse from memory. Kept buying ammo. Swore the USD was dead. Mind you I bullshitted in arguments with him purely because he was an idiot and easy to box in lol. I doubt he is around. Most like him are still calling for a recession and US collapse from debt.

We all have our roles otherwise it’s rather boring. Entertainment might be the true value creation rather than monetary wealth itself 🤷

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« Reply #11649 on: December 18, 2024, 06:56:32 PM »
Agree.

Mr Anabolic was hell bent on US collapse from memory. Kept buying ammo. Swore the USD was dead. Mind you I bullshitted in arguments with him purely because he was an idiot and easy to box in lol. I doubt he is around. Most like him are still calling for a recession and US collapse from debt.

We all have our roles otherwise it’s rather boring. Entertainment might be the true value creation rather than monetary wealth itself 🤷

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