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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12025 on: June 09, 2025, 12:17:17 AM »
Now consider Bitcoin’s inverted security model.

If there are any issues with Bitcoin's security model in the future then Blackrock and other institutions will step in to save it.

It won't matter if the solution goes against bitcoins original ethos of decentralization either. Blackrock and Co will do whatever ugly things are needed to keep their bitcoin from collapsing.

TLDR: Blackrock are the security model now.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12026 on: June 09, 2025, 12:24:15 AM »
Ethereum and it's L2s work fine as a settlement layer, but it wont cut it as a transaction layer.

Visa is also working with Solana. Solana for example could potentially be a transaction layer for Visa payments and Eth could still be a settlement layer.

Just because companies are working with Eth and it's L2s doesn't mean it's going to be a one stop solution for all digital assets and tokenisation. It's only part of the solution. Don't get caught up in Eth Maximalism
Ethereum L2s are already functioning as full transaction layers, offering the best of both worlds: scalable throughput and Ethereum’s battle-tested security. Chains like BASE have demonstrated real-world performance with ~1,000 TPS, and rollup technology continues to improve rapidly.

Ethereum itself remains a premier settlement layer, but L2s are scaling its transactional capacity with lower fees, faster execution, and full compatibility with the broader Ethereum ecosystem.

Meanwhile, Solana is often promoted as a 65,000 TPS chain—but that figure is misleading. About 75% of its throughput is just validator vote traffic, a byproduct of its Proof of History design. Actual user-level throughput is closer to 800–1,000 TPS. And under volume stress, Solana has historically experienced network slowdowns and outages.

Visa’s partnership with Solana doesn’t mean it’s the definitive transaction layer—it just highlights that different chains suit different needs. Ethereum’s modular L2 ecosystem is also well-suited for high-throughput applications, with the added benefits of decentralization, security, and composability.

Even Vitalik expects Ethereum L1 to scale 10x in the next year, further strengthening the base layer.

But ultimately, Ethereum’s value proposition doesn’t need to rest on raw TPS metrics. Like Bitcoin, ETH’s store-of-value appeal is rooted in its longevity, security, and growing adoption—regardless of who moves the fastest on paper.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12027 on: June 09, 2025, 12:32:27 AM »
If there are any issues with Bitcoin's security model in the future then Blackrock and other institutions will step in to save it.

It won't matter if the solution goes against bitcoins original ethos of decentralization either. Blackrock and Co will do whatever ugly things are needed to keep their bitcoin from collapsing.

TLDR: Blackrock are the security model now.
A chain that requires artificial support to survive is inherently weaker. Ethereum can stand on its own without ongoing subsidies. Its security is backed by a robust staking mechanism, and all validators earn a yield—creating a more sustainable and economically sound security model that consumes far less energy.

Propping up Bitcoin’s security with subsidies just to maintain the illusion of strength would be madness. If it can't sustain itself post-halvings, that suggests the market backed the wrong security architecture. Honestly, it's surprising they've let it get this far without addressing the flaws.

Right now, the Bitcoin network consumes nearly half the peak output of China’s Three Gorges Dam—around 22 GW. That’s an enormous amount of energy that could be redirected to power AI infrastructure, among other things. Even BTC miners are pivoting: many are now integrating AI processing into their facilities because mining alone is no longer profitable. And it will only get worse with each halving.

Then there’s Saylor and his so-called "strategy," which is rapidly becoming a single point of failure for Bitcoin. He was also a central figure in the dotcom bubble—go look up his track record. History doesn’t always repeat, but it often rhymes.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12028 on: June 09, 2025, 01:33:31 AM »
If there are any issues with Bitcoin's security model in the future then Blackrock and other institutions will step in to save it.

It won't matter if the solution goes against bitcoins original ethos of decentralization either. Blackrock and Co will do whatever ugly things are needed to keep their bitcoin from collapsing.

TLDR: Blackrock are the security model now.

Disclaimer from Blackrock:

"There is no guarantee that bitcoin's 21 million supply cap will not be changed."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2024/12/19/blackrock-just-quietly-confirmed-a-devastating-bitcoin-price-bombshell/

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12029 on: June 09, 2025, 02:09:43 AM »
A chain that requires artificial support to survive is inherently weaker. Ethereum can stand on its own without ongoing subsidies. Its security is backed by a robust staking mechanism, and all validators earn a yield—creating a more sustainable and economically sound security model that consumes far less energy.

Propping up Bitcoin’s security with subsidies just to maintain the illusion of strength would be madness. If it can't sustain itself post-halvings, that suggests the market backed the wrong security architecture. Honestly, it's surprising they've let it get this far without addressing the flaws.

Right now, the Bitcoin network consumes nearly half the peak output of China’s Three Gorges Dam—around 22 GW. That’s an enormous amount of energy that could be redirected to power AI infrastructure, among other things. Even BTC miners are pivoting: many are now integrating AI processing into their facilities because mining alone is no longer profitable. And it will only get worse with each halving.

Then there’s Saylor and his so-called "strategy," which is rapidly becoming a single point of failure for Bitcoin. He was also a central figure in the dotcom bubble—go look up his track record. History doesn’t always repeat, but it often rhymes.

Lol. Stop it, like ETH hasn't had artificial support to survive. Eth maxis don't get to take the moral high ground here.

Stop being a chain maxi and become a profit maxi. You should have max bid BTC as soon as Blackrock officially got involved (it's still not too late and at some point after alt season just rotate eth into BTC)

You then sell before the current model of BTC looks to be in trouble (still several years, maybe even a decade away)

You then wait for Blackrock to do their dirty deeds, the inevitable BTC price crash and then you buy the generational bottom of Blackrock's Bitcoin.

You have the necessary technical knowledge to front run all this. Just don't get caught up in Maximalism

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12030 on: June 09, 2025, 02:32:40 AM »
Lol. Stop it, like ETH hasn't had artificial support to survive. Eth maxis don't get to take the moral high ground here.

Stop being a chain maxi and become a profit maxi. You should have max bid BTC as soon as Blackrock officially got involved (it's still not too late and at some point after alt season just rotate eth into BTC)

You then sell before the current model of BTC looks to be in trouble (still several years, maybe even a decade away)

You then wait for Blackrock to do their dirty deeds, the inevitable BTC price crash and then you buy the generational bottom of Blackrock's Bitcoin.

You have the necessary technical knowledge to front run all this. Just don't get caught up in Maximalism

And Ethereum, now holding over 3.65 billion USD worth.

They've bought half a billion in the last 10 days.

And sold over half a billion dollars of BTC in the same period.

https://intel.arkm.com/explorer/entity/blackrock

https://www.cryptotimes.io/2025/06/08/blackrock-buys-500m-ethereum-on-coinbase-in-10-days-arkham/

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« Reply #12031 on: June 09, 2025, 02:48:08 AM »
Spot Ether ETFs 15-day inflow streak accumulates $837.5M inflows

US-based spot Ether exchange-traded funds (ETFs) have just recorded a third consecutive trading week of inflows. If next week follows suit, the current inflow streak alone may surpass $1 billion in total inflows.

The current inflow streak since May 16 has now brought in $837.5 million, roughly 25% of the total $3.32 billion in net inflows since spot Ether ETFs launched in July 2024.

Cointelegraph recently reported that a multi-year gold fractal is making a strong case for an Ether price rally toward $6,000 in the coming months.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/spot-ether-etfs-inflow-streak-large-portion-net-flows

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« Reply #12032 on: June 10, 2025, 03:11:53 PM »
Did mayday call the ethereum bottom?!?!?!


Everyone is still bullish ETH….. the opposite of capitulation.

This is what I mean by ETH bleeding out. It has round tripped 9yrs and most are talking about what a great opportunity it is 🤔


Today marks 1yr from 74k top and blood moon. Equinox on the 20th. If BTC can tag 69k I reckon that’s enough to capitulate ETH to lows and then we might be done. Depends how hard the wealthy prayed to Satan.

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« Reply #12033 on: June 10, 2025, 11:12:00 PM »
Did mayday call the ethereum bottom?!?!?!

Nah I just like to test the resolve at lows.

I called 113k well in advance though and we tagged 112k. I’ve called the next stop 126k well early aswell.

When gib asked for year end numbers I said 180k but the triggers haven’t occurred just yet.

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« Reply #12034 on: June 11, 2025, 01:10:31 PM »
Lol. Stop it, like ETH hasn't had artificial support to survive. Eth maxis don't get to take the moral high ground here.

Stop being a chain maxi and become a profit maxi. You should have max bid BTC as soon as Blackrock officially got involved (it's still not too late and at some point after alt season just rotate eth into BTC)

You then sell before the current model of BTC looks to be in trouble (still several years, maybe even a decade away)

You then wait for Blackrock to do their dirty deeds, the inevitable BTC price crash and then you buy the generational bottom of Blackrock's Bitcoin.

You have the necessary technical knowledge to front run all this. Just don't get caught up in Maximalism
Where is the evidence that Ethereum has received artificial support? ETH’s security is currently backed by over 34.69 million staked ETH, despite the asset still trading well below its 2021 all-time high. Staked ETH is at an ATH. That’s not artificial support—that’s market participants voluntarily committing capital to secure the network and earn yield. Staking isn’t a subsidy; it’s a sustainable, incentive-aligned model.

https://beaconcha.in/charts/staked_ether

By contrast, Bitcoin’s security depends on perpetual block subsidies, which are guaranteed to halve every four years. As those rewards approach zero, miner revenue will be entirely dependent on transaction fees. No one knows if that model can support the current level of network security. That’s a structural question, not a price one.

And let’s be honest—miners are pivoting into AI compute. That’s not a sign of strength. It’s a signal that Bitcoin mining is becoming economically untenable unless prices continue to rise exponentially, which is a risky assumption to make.

I’m not interested in being a ‘chain maxi’—I care about long-term sustainability and sound design. If Bitcoin can eventually secure itself without subsidies, great. But right now, we’re betting on a model that’s never been tested without massive rewards. Ethereum already made that transition.

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« Reply #12035 on: June 11, 2025, 01:15:10 PM »
Nah I just like to test the resolve at lows.

I called 113k well in advance though and we tagged 112k. I’ve called the next stop 126k well early aswell.

When gib asked for year end numbers I said 180k but the triggers haven’t occurred just yet.

You did call 180k. I think gib called 150k or 175k?  And I called 125k. 


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« Reply #12036 on: June 11, 2025, 01:16:52 PM »
Nah I just like to test the resolve at lows.

I called 113k well in advance though and we tagged 112k. I’ve called the next stop 126k well early aswell.

When gib asked for year end numbers I said 180k but the triggers haven’t occurred just yet.
You said ETH round tripped 9 years. ETH is up 6x more than BTC since its launch in 2015.

5 years ago, BTC's market cap was around $171 billion. The price was around $9,300 and the supply around 18.4 million BTC.

ETH is more than 6 years younger than BTC and it's market cap right now is around 2x what BTC's market cap was 5 years ago.

Blockchain tech is still young. We don't know what happens 10-20 years from now. ETH could flip BTC's market cap or ETH could be flipped. Anything is possible, and nothing is assured.

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« Reply #12037 on: June 11, 2025, 01:26:55 PM »
Here’s a really interesting video featuring Joe Lubin. He talks about how the SEC under Gensler actively tried to slow down Ethereum, even going as far as suing ConsenSys to undermine it. Meanwhile, Bitcoin never faced the same kind of regulatory pressure. Now that this chapter is behind him, Lubin says he plans to be much more vocal—similar to how Saylor has championed Bitcoin.

Lubin also said both Bitcoin and Ethereum need to increase in value significantly. He mentioned a potential $3 million price tag for BTC. When asked about his ETH prediction, he didn’t give a specific number but said it would be “much higher” than today’s levels. Ryan threw out $250,000 as a target.

Personally, I think ETH will eventually be worth somewhere in the six- to seven-digit range.


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« Reply #12038 on: June 11, 2025, 01:31:48 PM »
Bitcoin, Ethereum, and many other crypto assets will likely continue to be undervalued when measured against the dollar—especially when you consider their long-term price potential. The U.S. dollar has been losing purchasing power steadily since 1913, and there’s no real sign that this trend will reverse. Why would it?

ETH is currently trading around $2,800. When it returns to $4,000, we’ll look back and recognize that $2,800 was clearly undervalued. And when it eventually hits $10,000, even $4,000 will seem like a bargain in hindsight.

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« Reply #12039 on: June 11, 2025, 02:29:38 PM »
Bitcoin, Ethereum, and many other crypto assets will likely continue to be undervalued when measured against the dollar—especially when you consider their long-term price potential. The U.S. dollar has been losing purchasing power steadily since 1913, and there’s no real sign that this trend will reverse. Why would it?

ETH is currently trading around $2,800. When it returns to $4,000, we’ll look back and recognize that $2,800 was clearly undervalued. And when it eventually hits $10,000, even $4,000 will seem like a bargain in hindsight.


10,000?!?!?   I heard ETH to $50,000

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« Reply #12040 on: June 11, 2025, 04:48:47 PM »

10,000?!?!?   I heard ETH to $50,000
$100,000 eventually, and higher. But first we have to get to $5k and $10k.

There's a lot of resistance at $4k. I expect some investors will sell off at that mark. Time will tell how easily ETH goes to a new ATH and higher.

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« Reply #12041 on: June 12, 2025, 02:05:45 AM »
You said ETH round tripped 9 years. ETH is up 6x more than BTC since its launch in 2015.

5 years ago, BTC's market cap was around $171 billion. The price was around $9,300 and the supply around 18.4 million BTC.

ETH is more than 6 years younger than BTC and it's market cap right now is around 2x what BTC's market cap was 5 years ago.

Blockchain tech is still young. We don't know what happens 10-20 years from now. ETH could flip BTC's market cap or ETH could be flipped. Anything is possible, and nothing is assured.


Did I read the ETHBTC chart wrong ???



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« Reply #12042 on: June 12, 2025, 05:20:16 PM »

Did I read the ETHBTC chart wrong ???
That chart goes back to 2017. 2025 - 9 = 2016.

Ethereum launched in 2015, and is up around 2100x since launch. BTC is up around 350x since the time ETH launched. ETH thus outperformed BTC by 6x in that time period.

Also note that ETH's current market cap is 2x BTC's 2020 market cap 5 years ago. But ETH is 6 years younger than BTC. BTC had a head start. What will ETH's market cap be in 2030?

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« Reply #12043 on: June 13, 2025, 12:48:39 PM »
On Shopify. Amazon, eBay, Apple etc. will probably be next.

Stablecoins will be the future of online payments.


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« Reply #12044 on: June 13, 2025, 02:00:58 PM »
BTC: Literally depends on cheap oil
ETH: Is the digital oil
Middle East on fire.
Pick your fighter.

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« Reply #12045 on: June 13, 2025, 02:01:46 PM »
BREAKING: Israel hits Iran. Iran vows revenge.
→ Energy prices spike
→ Bitcoin mining becomes unsustainable
→ Ethereum, powered by staking, chilling in the corner like:
‘Good luck with your power bill, bro.’ 💀⚡️



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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12046 on: June 13, 2025, 11:33:41 PM »
Made in conjunction with the Ethereum Foundation and Etherealize, the institutional marketing arm of Ethereum:

https://ethdigitaloil.com/


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« Reply #12047 on: June 14, 2025, 02:28:36 AM »
Made in conjunction with the Ethereum Foundation and Etherealize, the institutional marketing arm of Ethereum:

https://ethdigitaloil.com/


Very good move by Etherealize. Organized and clear.

$15k and then $80k ETH incoming.




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« Reply #12048 on: June 14, 2025, 02:32:40 AM »
Ethereum doesn’t need just one Etherealize or one SBET company — it needs a wave of them. This is a marathon, not a sprint. To unlock its full potential, we have to stay focused and resist complacency.

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« Reply #12049 on: June 14, 2025, 05:33:16 AM »
The sudden activity is possibly due to this, according to Joseph Lubin:

''Before Chair Gensler made it unadvisable for me/us to be publicly vocal about what we cared about, because his SEC was conducting an inquisition on the Ethereum (mostly) and decentralized ecosystem, I/we were very vocal.  Now that we are not under attack by the US gov, I/we can speak more freely.''

People had criticised the Ethereum Foundation, Consenys etc. for not doing anything to promote Ethereum and to counter attacks from certain groups.

The captured SEC did a lot of damage to ETH over the past few years, which is now having to be undone, which is why we're seeing so much activity and finally a lobbying group in Wall Street and the US.