Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!

[SouJerz]

Is there a future with both Ethereum and Bitcoin?  Kind of like we have gold and silver?  Aren’t there things ethereum can do that Bitcoin can’t and vice versa?  Does it have to be so black and white?

[obsidian]

I like that post of yours, and yes, they can both exist, along with a few other tokens. But not millions of tokens like we currently have. That's way too much. Bitcoin was not the very first blockchain concept, but it was the first successful, decentralized blockchain that actually worked at scale. Ethereum was the first major blockchain platform to successfully implement and popularize smart contracts as we know them today.

Joe Lubin says both BTC and ETH need to go up a lot more. I'd like to see ETH reclaim a ratio of 0.15 BTC. Maybe a little more.

[GymnJuice]

Not sure if this was already posted

https://apnews.com/article/trump-crypto-401k-private-equity-retirement-plans-d7fdae32d904c9454f4d4eb0b12b88ef

NEW YORK (AP) — Millions of Americans saving for retirement through 401(k) accounts could have the option of putting their money in higher-risk private equity and cryptocurrency investments, according to an executive order signed Thursday by President Donald Trump that could give those financial players long-sought access to a pool of funds worth trillions.

Under Democratic President Joe Biden, federal regulators were to treat cryptocurrency investments with “extreme care” because of the extreme volatility of crypto. It is not uncommon for bitcoin, ethereum and other big cryptocurrencies to move up or down 10% in a single day, whereas a 2% or 3% single-day move in the stock market would be considered historic.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/08/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-democratizes-access-to-alternative-assets-for-401k-investors/

EXPANDING INVESTMENT CHOICES FOR 401(K) PLANS: Today, President Donald J. Trump signed an Executive Order to allow 401(k) investors to access alternative assets for better returns and diversification.

The Order directs the Secretary of Labor to reexamine the Department of Labor’s guidance on a fiduciary’s duties regarding alternative asset investments in ERISA-governed 401(k) and other defined-contribution plans.

The Order instructs the Secretary of Labor to clarify the Department of Labor’s position on alternative assets and the appropriate fiduciary process associated with offering asset allocation funds containing investments in alternative assets.

The Order directs the Secretary of Labor to consult with the Secretary of the Treasury, the Securities and Exchange Commission, and other federal regulators to determine whether parallel regulatory changes should be made at those agencies to give effect to the purpose of the Order.

The Order directs the Securities and Exchange Commission to facilitate access to alternative assets for participant-directed defined-contribution retirement savings plans by revising applicable regulations and guidance.

PROMOTING RETIREMENT SECURITY THROUGH DIVERSIFIED INVESTMENTS: President Trump wants to give American workers more investment options in order to attain stronger and more financially secure retirement outcomes.

More than 90 million Americans participate in employer-sponsored defined-contribution plans, and most of those are currently restricted from investing in alternative assets, unlike wealthy investors and retirement plans for government workers.

Alternative assets, such as private equity, real estate, and digital assets, offer competitive returns and diversification benefits.

Regulatory overreach and litigation risks have limited ERISA-governed plan fiduciaries from including alternative assets in their investment portfolios, hindering workers’ retirement growth.

President Trump is expanding access to these assets to ensure a dignified and comfortable retirement for all Americans.

BUILDING WEALTH AND SECURING RETIREMENT FOR ALL AMERICANS: 
President Trump is delivering on his promise to enhance financial opportunities and retirement security for all Americans, ensuring they can build wealth and thrive.

President Trump’s Department of Labor has already rescinded guidance put place by the Biden Administration regarding digital assets.

President Trump’s One Big Beautiful Bill delivers on his promise to ensure retirees can keep more of their hard-earned benefits.

President Trump promised to make the United States the “crypto capital of the world,” emphasizing the need to embrace digital assets to drive economic growth and technological leadership.

Through tax cuts and deregulation, President Trump is delivering on his promise to Make America Wealthy Again, empowering workers to save and invest more for their retirement.

If 401k plans start buying bitcoin the price will go way up. This looks like a move in that direction.

[SouJerz]

.038 ETH/BTC do we get back to .06 this cycle or even higher?

[obsidian]

.038 ETH/BTC do we get back to .06 this cycle or even higher?

I want to see 0.15 BTC. ETH's supply is only around 6x BTC's. Why such an extreme current ratio? It's still scarce when you consider how much fiat is in circulation worldwide. Multiple strategy companies are going to soak up the ETH supply. Along with the ETFs.

[Mayday]

So is the predictions still 175k. For BTC this cycle?

I had 180k year end with conditions but that can’t happen anymore IMO.

So for now it’s a Peak in Sep of 126k-130k range.

BTC peak of 241k in late 2026

Good luck!

[SouJerz]

125K end of 2025 price.

Glad to see you now agree with my prediction Mayday.

[obsidian]

https://ratiogang.com/ 

[obsidian]

This is the danger facing Bitcoin in one or two decades.

https://www.theblock.co/post/366535/monero-faces-chain-reorganization-fears-after-qubic-says-it-controls-51-of-hashrate

Monero faces chain reorganization fears after Qubic says it controls 51% of hashrate

A long-running campaign to amass more than half of Monero’s hashrate appears to have succeeded, prompting concern among crypto observers about the privacy-focused blockchain.

Qubic founder Sergey Ivancheglo claimed his project’s mining pool has “achieved 51% over Monero”, a level that would theoretically let it reorganize blocks, censor transactions, or attempt double-spends on the privacy coin’s network. He added on X that Qubic’s push would ultimately help the community prepare for future threats.

The Block previously reported on Qubic’s months-long bid to concentrate Monero hashrate. Qubic uses a “useful proof-of-work” model that incentivizes CPU mining of Monero’s RandomX algorithm, then converts mined XMR to USDT to buy and burn QUBIC tokens, creating a deflationary loop for its own token economy.

[Flexacon]

Crypto is $USELESS

[gib]

This is the danger facing Bitcoin in one or two decades.

https://www.theblock.co/post/366535/monero-faces-chain-reorganization-fears-after-qubic-says-it-controls-51-of-hashrate

Monero faces chain reorganization fears after Qubic says it controls 51% of hashrate

A long-running campaign to amass more than half of Monero’s hashrate appears to have succeeded, prompting concern among crypto observers about the privacy-focused blockchain.

Qubic founder Sergey Ivancheglo claimed his project’s mining pool has “achieved 51% over Monero”, a level that would theoretically let it reorganize blocks, censor transactions, or attempt double-spends on the privacy coin’s network. He added on X that Qubic’s push would ultimately help the community prepare for future threats.

The Block previously reported on Qubic’s months-long bid to concentrate Monero hashrate. Qubic uses a “useful proof-of-work” model that incentivizes CPU mining of Monero’s RandomX algorithm, then converts mined XMR to USDT to buy and burn QUBIC tokens, creating a deflationary loop for its own token economy.

Have to jump in here, despite my self-imposed absence until 125. Onbsidian is very good at trolling me, and sometimes he get a little bite.  

The irony of this post from an Eth fan, is that this issue already exists with Eth and other POS coins (including fiat currencies). Proof of Stake leads to centralization, due to dynamics that increasingly concentrate power in the hands of a few large stakeholders. We see this right now with the emergence of "Eth Treasury companies" (which is actually a nonsense in itself, for anyone who understand what the purpose of a treasury in a listed company is - I will explain in more detail on my return). In POS, the chances of being chosen as a validator and earning rewards is directly proportional to the amount of cryptocurrency staked. That results in larger stakeholders have a higher chance of validating blocks and accruing more rewards, leading to a cycle where they become even more dominant due to their increasing "stake". What we are seeing, with larger Eth staking pools, is that where multiple users pool their tokens to increase their chances of validation, can further exacerbate centralization. This was what many were concerned about the outset, and now we see it happening.

Back at BTC 125K...
 

[obsidian]

Have to jump in here, despite my self-imposed absence until 125. Onbsidian is very good at trolling me, and sometimes he get a little bite.  

The irony of this post from an Eth fan, is that this issue already exists with Eth and other POS coins (including fiat currencies). Proof of Stake leads to centralization, due to dynamics that increasingly concentrate power in the hands of a few large stakeholders. We see this right now with the emergence of "Eth Treasury companies" (which is actually a nonsense in itself, for anyone who understand what the purpose of a treasury in a listed company is - I will explain in more detail on my return). In POS, the chances of being chosen as a validator and earning rewards is directly proportional to the amount of cryptocurrency staked. That results in larger stakeholders have a higher chance of validating blocks and accruing more rewards, leading to a cycle where they become even more dominant due to their increasing "stake". What we are seeing, with larger Eth staking pools, is that where multiple users pool their tokens to increase their chances of validation, can further exacerbate centralization. This was what many were concerned about the outset, and now we see it happening.

Back at BTC 125K...

Bitcoin mining is significantly more centralized than ETH staking. Ethereum has built-in accountability — dishonest validators get slashed and permanently lose their stake. Bitcoin miners, on the other hand, face no such penalty. If they attack the network, the only cost is electricity, and they can return to attack again. An ETH validator would need to keep buying more ETH only to have it slashed repeatedly, creating a far stronger deterrent.

Now consider Bitcoin’s economics. Under PoW, block rewards halve every four years. Imagine accepting a job where your salary gets cut by 50% on a fixed schedule. Would you sign up for that, gib?

For miners to survive, BTC’s price must more than double every four years just to compensate for halvings and dollar inflation. And after 16 years, transaction fees still account for only about 1% of miner revenue. When does that change? And more importantly, how do you force users to pay more for transactions when alternatives exist?

Ethereum solved this with staking economics and slashing incentives that reward honesty and punish attacks. PoW looks like a race to the bottom while Proof of Stake looks like the future.

BITCOIN BLOCK REWARDS
3.125000 BTC (2024) 1
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1.562500 BTC (2028) 1/2
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0.781250 BTC (2032) 1/4
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0.390625 BTC (2036) 1/8
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0.195313 BTC (2040) 1/16
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0.097656 BTC (2044) 1/32
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0.048828 BTC (2048) 1/64

[Mayday]

Had this line there for over a year. Just something to ponder.

[Necrosis]

Had this line there for over a year. Just something to ponder.

what does this line indicate? lol

[Griffith]

what does this line indicate? lol

It represents resistance on the ETH/BTC price chart which goes back several years.

It can either reject and go lower or break-out and go higher.

In my own view, considering the ETH treasury companies buying, possible staked ETH ETF's this year, stablecoins becoming more mainstream, and Wall Street starting to show interest in tokenised assets, I believe it will eventually break-out higher.

[Mayday]

what does this line indicate? lol

ETHBTC trend 98% missed this past year and instead looked at 0.055.

Every man and his dog expects a massive rotation at year end. Everyone says up first then down. None of them consider the whales trapped the last 4yrs who don’t want to go another 4yrs. Without rotation, liquidity is too thin and everyone is dying to get out. Sell pressure so big you can’t break
Above The ratio.

[SouJerz]

 

ETHBTC trend 98% missed this past year and instead looked at 0.055.

Every man and his dog expects a massive rotation at year end. Everyone says up first then down. None of them consider the whales trapped the last 4yrs who don’t want to go another 4yrs. Without rotation, liquidity is too thin and everyone is dying to get out. Sell pressure so big you can’t break
Above The ratio.

[Griffith]

ETH shorts got rekt.

[Necrosis]

ether savaging folks

[Griffith]

Looks like ETH/BTC is breaking out:

[Necrosis]

Looks like ETH/BTC is breaking out:

so would you buy now?

I have a bunch but am up about 110% right now.

[Flexacon]

so would you buy now?

I have a bunch but am up about 110% right now.

Retail is here 

[Necrosis]

Retail is here 

I havent bought any since my initial purchase as I am just holding, I can't trade. I realize buying at ath is retarded lolol

however, for a trader is this a buy signal.

[Flexacon]

I havent bought any since my initial purchase as I am just holding, I can't trade. I realize buying at ath is retarded lolol

however, for a trader is this a buy signal.

If you bought now there is a strong likelihood eth runs higher and then has a hard correction in September. Good chance your position will then be underwater, but it will likely bounce again in Oct/Nov to a new high.

If you can stomach that volatility, then sure go ahead and buy, but your upside potential is fairly limited for the risk you'd be taking on.

[obsidian]

ETH enters bull run for me when it goes above the inflation adjusted ATH level of around $5,820. Because that's what $4,896 in 2021 is worth today - due to the dollar's buying power decreasing over time. This is an average inflation rate of 4.44% and cumulative inflation of 18.87%.

2017 ATH: $1,350
2021 ATH: $4,890

That's a 3.62x increase.

There’s a theory that as assets grow in market cap, their returns diminish. However, in a strong FOMO scenario, we could still see extreme price surges. Some people speculate that ETH might hit $15K–$20K, or even $30K by the end of this cycle — assuming cycles still exist. One person even suggested ETH could reach $80K next year.

Anything is possible, but it’s equally possible that none of this happens. You could lose everything you invest in crypto, so you need to be prepared for a total loss. The market remains extremely volatile, driven largely by emotional traders who panic-sell or FOMO in.