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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12475 on: October 17, 2025, 01:17:45 AM »
BTC (and gold) have no PE - that's the whole point. BTC serves as the ultimate ledger for base-layer of money - of economic energy - both are protocols backed by energy and physics. Gold being the analogue version of BTC.

Eth and BNB (and many other platforms) have intrinsic value - and that in turn, in the long term, will govern their ultimate valuation. (Which as of now, back of envelope, is around $500 for Eth, and $300 for BNB - of course with a wide degree of variance depending on the variables and assumptions you put into the calculation).

I have posted this before post Trump win. For there to be lower inflation and rates as promised, the only way is to prevent a bid on commodities and that is using BTC as the asset because it is not included in CPI.

If true, the only measurement one requires is how to determine when enough liquidity has been sucked out as this is the aim.

It however is not neverending gains per Saylor. BTC becomes a store similar to Gold that once the liquidity drain of the economy is completed, it is released from BTC and back into investments which offer newer opportunities of higher return and just like Good will enter lengthy bear markets.

Hence why short term ETH is irrelevant because no rotation will occur until BTC is done. The positive is if you wait much longer, the rotation will be much better than if it occured at today's price.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12476 on: October 17, 2025, 05:49:46 AM »
BTC<106k
ETH<3,8k
XRP<2,3
SOL<180

brutal :D

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12477 on: October 17, 2025, 03:24:05 PM »
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/asian-executives-join-forces-launch-185021707.html

Asian Executives Join Forces to Launch $1B Ethereum Trust Fund

A group of Asian executives with deep roots in crypto is setting up a new trust to accumulate Ethereum , with plans to raise around $1 billion. The effort comes as ETH faces price pressure, trading at $3,875 below its 50-day exponential moving average.

According to Bloomberg, Li Lin, who founded the Huobi exchange and now chairs Avenir Capital, is driving the project. He has teamed with Shen Bo of Fenbushi Capital, Xiao Feng from HashKey Group, and Meitu founder Cai Wensheng.

Notably, these figures were among the first in China to back Ethereum after its 2015 launch. The trust has secured $200 million from Avenir and $500 million from investors like HongShan Capital, with talks underway to use a Nasdaq-listed shell company to help structure the trust.

Colin Wu shared details on X, noting the collaboration aims to build a regulated vehicle for Ether exposure. This aligns with broader trends where early crypto players shift to institutional products offshore.

Li built Huobi into a top exchange before selling it in 2021 amid China’s crypto ban. Shen funded early blockchain ventures, while Xiao’s HashKey holds a Hong Kong virtual-asset license. Cai has backed multiple crypto projects alongside running Meitu.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12478 on: October 17, 2025, 03:26:54 PM »
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ethereum-bitcoin-wall-street-once-110427314.html

Can Ethereum Do to Bitcoin What Wall Street Once Did to Gold?

Tom Lee, co-founder of Fundstrat and chairman of BitMine Technologies, predicts that Ethereum could “flip” Bitcoin — just as Wall Street outgrew gold’s role in the modern financial system.

The executive also forecasted that ETH could reach $60,000 by 2030, representing an approximately 1,510% increase from its current price of $3,727.

Why Ethereum Could Challenge Bitcoin’s Market Leadership
In an interview with ARK Invest's Cathie Wood and Brett Winton on Thursday, Lee drew a historical parallel to explain why he believes Ethereum could eventually overtake Bitcoin in market value. He pointed to 1971, when the United States abandoned the gold standard. This move initially sent gold prices higher as investors sought security in a tangible asset.

Nonetheless, it was Wall Street’s innovation — the creation of money market funds, mortgage-backed securities, and other financial instruments — that ultimately reshaped global markets and cemented the dollar’s dominance. Over time, equities and financial products built around the dollar grew to overshadow gold, which remained valuable but static.

“In 1971, the dollar became fully synthetic because it was no longer backed by anything, and so there was a risk that the world would go off the dollar standard. So in stepped Wall Street to create products to propagate the future of Wall Street. Dollar dominance by the end of that period went from 27% of GDP terms to 57% of central bank reserves and 80% of financial transaction quotes,” Lee detailed.

Lee suggested that a similar dynamic is now unfolding in crypto. He noted Bitcoin is the digital gold — a pristine store of value. Meanwhile, Ethereum represents the infrastructure where the next wave of financial products and tokenized assets will be built.

“In 2025, we think everything is now becoming...tokenized. So as we move not just dollars onto the blockchain, which is stablecoins, but we'll move stocks and real estate  dollar dominance is going to be the opportunity of Ethereum. So digital gold is Bitcoin. And so in that world, we believe Ethereum could flip Bitcoin similar to how Wall Street and equities flipped gold post 71,” Lee noted

However, the executive emphasized that this remains a "working theory." He also added that he remains bullish on Bitcoin, projecting a long-term fair value between $1.5 million and $2.1 million.

Lee also sees ETH reaching as high as $60,000 per token by the end of the decade. In the near term, he has also forecast $200,000 for Bitcoin and $10,000–$12,000 for Ethereum by the end of 2025, highlighting confidence in both assets.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12479 on: October 17, 2025, 10:42:35 PM »
Who do you think will have the last laugh, bitcoin or gold holders?

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12480 on: October 18, 2025, 12:28:06 AM »
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/asian-executives-join-forces-launch-185021707.html

Asian Executives Join Forces to Launch $1B Ethereum Trust Fund

A group of Asian executives with deep roots in crypto is setting up a new trust to accumulate Ethereum , with plans to raise around $1 billion. The effort comes as ETH faces price pressure, trading at $3,875 below its 50-day exponential moving average.

According to Bloomberg, Li Lin, who founded the Huobi exchange and now chairs Avenir Capital, is driving the project. He has teamed with Shen Bo of Fenbushi Capital, Xiao Feng from HashKey Group, and Meitu founder Cai Wensheng.

Notably, these figures were among the first in China to back Ethereum after its 2015 launch. The trust has secured $200 million from Avenir and $500 million from investors like HongShan Capital, with talks underway to use a Nasdaq-listed shell company to help structure the trust.

Colin Wu shared details on X, noting the collaboration aims to build a regulated vehicle for Ether exposure. This aligns with broader trends where early crypto players shift to institutional products offshore.

Li built Huobi into a top exchange before selling it in 2021 amid China’s crypto ban. Shen funded early blockchain ventures, while Xiao’s HashKey holds a Hong Kong virtual-asset license. Cai has backed multiple crypto projects alongside running Meitu.

Another $1 Billion ETH treasury added.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12481 on: October 19, 2025, 10:33:39 AM »
Another $1 Billion ETH treasury potentially added.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12482 on: October 19, 2025, 10:36:41 AM »
So, my standing 106K buy order finally hit. I am very pleased about that.

I always have a "low ball" bid out there, to take advantage of any sharp movements. I usually price 5% below current price at time of placing, and then just let it sit. This $106 took ages to hit...


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« Reply #12483 on: October 19, 2025, 10:37:40 AM »
Who believe we will see a gold-like momentum move over to BTC.

I certainly do. Just you wait...

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« Reply #12484 on: October 19, 2025, 03:27:53 PM »
Who believe we will see a gold-like momentum move over to BTC.

I certainly do. Just you wait...

Did you see my question above related to this topic? What do you think?

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« Reply #12485 on: Today at 01:36:19 AM »
Did you see my question above related to this topic? What do you think?

I think Bitcoin will vastly outperform Gold over the next decade (just like it did the last decade), and beyond. Purely a function of greater adoption rate, and coming from a lower total capitalization of wealth already represented in the asset. Both should provide good protection against currency debasement, but BTC will be far superior over time (subject to some kind of existential failure of the code occurring).

So, for example, we might see gold hit $8000 or even $10000 an Oz in the next 5 years - so approximately 100% return in USD over that time. Over the same period BTC will likely be 1m per coin. So approx. a 1000% return in USD over that time. Right now it costs approx 1 BTC to buy a kilo of gold. In 5 years, it will be around 0.1 BTC to buy that same kilo. But both assets will be significantly priced higher against a declining USD (and indeed fiat currencies globally)

The volatility of BTC will remain higher, on average, than gold. Proponents of gold over BTC will point to that greater volatility (usually during times of downward volatility), as proof that gold is a superior (or "a more stable" store of value to compared to BTC. However, they of course will forget to do so on when BTC experiences volatility on the upside. So, basically, if you "zoom out" you will see that over time, whilst more volatile, BTC by far outperforms BTC.